"Million Moms" under legal fire

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"Million Moms" under legal fire

From the Fox News Website. Link at bottom. Maybe next time one of the "Million" speaks they will think about telling the truth.-----------------------------------------Gun Control Activists Slapped With Defamation LawsuitWednesday, September 05, 2001 PORTLAND, Maine "” Gun control activists have become the target of a defamation lawsuit by a group of machine gun enthusiasts that sponsors an annual machine gun shoot in Dover-Foxcroft. The Hiram Maxim Historical Society filed its suit against the Million Mom March, claiming that spokeswoman Cathie Whittenburg of its Southern Maine chapter made false statements that harmed the society. At issue are comments attributed to Whittenburg after she received an obscenity-laced hate message via e-mail in response to news reports that she planned to protest the society's machine gun shoot last July. The society's lawyer, Walter F. McKee, said Tuesday that his client is a law-abiding organization that Whittenburg "essentially called a bunch of terrorists." Whittenburg said the allegations were false. "All I can say is that I am flabbergasted and dumbfounded and I am not prepared to talk to the press at this time," she said. A story July 21 in the Bangor Daily News said Whittenburg had planned to protest the machine gun shoot, but decided not to after receiving the e-mail message. The story said that "the message was not a threat against her life, she said, but it was serious enough to have local Million Moms change their plans about protesting in Dover-Foxcroft. The hate mail's sender is connected with the machine gun event, the e-mail said." The same newspaper article paraphrased the machine-gun society's president as saying that "whoever sent the message was acting on his own, not with the authority of the HMHS." The lawsuit, filed last week in Kennebec County Superior Court, said the society has been harmed by Whittenburg's statements that were made "either negligently or with the knowledge of their falsity or in reckless disregard of the truth." McKee said he wants to see the e-mail, which he said was not sent by anyone associated with his client. "We didn't do this," he said. "We want people to know that." He said the lawsuit is not an effort to silence opponents. "This suit shouldn't cause a chilling effect, because if people are going to speak the truth, they aren't going to be sued." The Million Mom March has faced other challenges in other states. The Second Amendment Foundation, a Bellevue, Washington-based organization focused on the right to privately own and possess firearms, asked the attorney general of California to investigate why the Million Mom March received free office space at San Francisco General Hospital through the Trauma Foundation. Nancy Hwa, a spokeswoman for the Brady Campaign and the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said she was not aware of the Maine lawsuit, but that "it wouldn't be the first time that somebody from our side has been threatened. We get threatening mail all the time." The Hiram Maxim Historical Society is named after the Sangerville, Maine, native who invented the machine gun in 1883.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,33751,00.html

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Those who defend the Second also need to defend the First.

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And likewise, those who would like to destroy the Second, must destroy the First.

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The purpose of The Second is to defend The First!

Anonymous
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Agreed. What we all have to keep in mind is our liberty grounded in the Bill of Rights is not divisible. We either hang together, or we hang alone.

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I have never seen in the "bill of rights" the "right" to lie.

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Who's on first?And as to the first amendment, is anybody in favor of scrapping defamation law in all its forms?

Anonymous
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Here we go again, boys 'n girls! Get ya scissors out so ya can cut and paste the Bill of Rights for the parts ya like!

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Doug, tjc,That's what I was trying to get at. The folks who seem intent on stealing our freedoms in the Second seem to have no compunction about destroying the same in the First.I wasn't suggesting that defamation is something one ought to do. Just suggesting that the victim disarmament crowd is anti-freedom. That's all.

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Hey Wingding,There is a big difference between utilizing the First, and making false accusations. HMHS is a MAJOR advocate of ALL in the Bill of Rights, but they will not stand by while being accused of something that never happened. To believe otherwise proves what a flaming moron you really are.

Anonymous
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I've read enough from the "patriot liberty" crowd. Got news for ya'll, ya ain't.

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The loudest voices for gun control are the biggest advocates for more government..... A few names: C.Schumer, H. R. Clinton, T. Kennedy, and many other folks who enjoy the protection provided for them by the taxpayers...

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Maybe all fine and dandy in theory, but!!!!!!!!!Is it OK to shout, "fire" in a crowded theater if you know there isn't a fire?Shall a violent, convicted felon's right to bear arms never be questioned?Shall we make "fighting words" morally and legally OK and take away the use of it in a defense of your resultant act?Is it OK for someone to call your wife a slut in a public place?I prefer keeping things as they are and let the Courts do the tweakin' if they think things need tweakin'.Now, pour it on guys! I'm anxious to hear your comments.

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Dunno about pouring it on, RP, but what has finally gotten to me is the absolute bullsheet of the right-wing liberty lovin' crowd. Like their left-wing rad bretheren, they defend what they agree with in the Constitution, and then take a knife to the rest. I'll say it agin one more time.... the way ya deal with speech you disagree with is with your speech to refute it. Not with prohibitions by the legilature or courts, or executive order. Good speech will alwys beat bad speech in a free and open society.

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Wimgman, my questions are simple and the answers are simpler.Yes or No to each one, please.And then we will have a foundation to comment further with some specificity.General comment can go on for eternity without concrete premises so my ethics professor said and reiterated on many occasions.

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Sorry, about the typo. It was not by intent and the way you get beat up by the hardcores with Wing somethings, I thought it deserved my explanation.

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No, yes, no, no.

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Wingman -First Amendment my eye! The MMM's claim to have received a threatening email. It scared them so much they cancelled their protest.And while they have the presence of mind to call a press conference - or to at least notify the press - re: this threatening email, darned if they didn't have the presence of mind to keep the threatening (a.k.a. "proof" or "evidence") email. No, they deleted it.The press, of course, sucks all this up and dutifully reports the incident. Who looks bad? Hiram Maxxim, that's who.I've seen this old trick used too many times. If the MMM's really did receive the email , they can prove it in court. skf

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Post from above...---------------------------------------------"Agreed. What we all have to keep in mind is our liberty grounded in the Bill of Rights is not divisible. We either hang together, or we hang alone." ---------------------------------------------Wingman you seem to me a "man" who would trade his freedom for security in a heartbeat! You talk about sticking together but, you are all alone in your own little battle for what suits you instedad of standing up for what is right. You are either with us or against us... You can either support the Bill Of Rights or not, Its your choice!

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"Flabbergasted and dumbfounded and not talking to the press at this time"? Well Ms.Wittenburg you jumped in front of every camara you saw and chased every reporter you could find hoping to shut down another firearm event. They use EVERY means to add more gun control but when called on the carpet to show the proof,they become "flabbergasted and dumbfounded". And heaven forbid the Honest Gun-Owner,sick of taking it on the chin,stands up and says Show Me The BS. I have found that most people who slams Patriots, couldn`t make a pimple on a patriot`s ass.

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I want to tell you Hiram Maxim guys how much I enjoyed reading about you in the Portland Press Herald. I even bought a copy that morning!That's the way to do it! Stand Up!That's leadership!

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Rock you ask "Is it OK for someone to call your wife a slut in a public place?"In Idaho it's OK for someone to beat your wife at a football game if he's the right race. Check, Felonious "hate speech" in Idaho, Public Forum 8-23-01By that standard in some cases it would be OK.

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What! I answer "yes" to rockpond's second q and I still get hammered? Oh well, no chance of foolin' you fellas, I guess. And I had such a reply ready if challenged. What a waste!I do not disagree with what you say, skf. It's what we do about what I see as political slams. We refute them with more speech in the political arena, not less. There's damn little speech gov't should control either by Executive, Congressional, or in this case, Judicial intervention. I hope you would agree with me.Wingman

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Does anyone have a copy of the interview that MMM spokeswoman Cathie Whittenburg did with WCSH (Channel 6 News) that aired on July 22nd at 6:00pm? I would like to see this myself and would be happy to cover costs.

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Wingman -I do agree with you. However, as I wrote, I've seen the Left use this tactic too many times. Something bad happens, allegedly by some Leftist's opponent: there's no proof positive, just allegations. No one is ever apprehended. And the press dutifully reports the accusation as if it's fact.It's also a political truism that if you're opponent accuses you of something, and you let it go unanswered, in the public's mind it's the same as if the accusation is true.skf

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skf, only in YOUR mind. There are many reasons why (we/I) don't respond that has nothing to do with accepting whatever was written as indisputable fact.For example:Sometime the statement (s) is so idiotic it doesn't warrant a response. Know what I mean? He who responds may be the bigger idiot.Sometime the reader is too tired or mentally drained to respond.Sometime the reader has other things to do in his/her life.And the list continues.I suggest YOU don't make that general assumption. At least not with me.I've seen Mr. Cenci make that assumption, as wellrock

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I'll say it agin one more time.... the way ya deal with speech you disagree with is with your speech to refute it. Not with prohibitions by the legilature or courts, or executive order. Good speech will alwys beat bad speech in a free and open society. wingman Quote.Wingman, again I find myself in the shakey position of agreeing with you. This is very well said. One point however, For good speach to triumph it must have access to the same level of coverage as the bad speach. If one side controls the media, then only one side is heard and the other, however good, is not.

Anonymous
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Unless you get a NANNY from the A.G.'s office wagging their finger in your face and threatening criminal action.

Anonymous
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that`s even better,Maine Citizens Against Handgun Ownership`s Harwoods presence will call on the rest of firearm owners in the state to make a stand.I like it.Let`s shake this rug and see what falls out.Maybe this is the wake-up call I have been waiting for the gun owners in this state.Maybe,Maybe, they too are tired of being presented as Knuckle- dragging neanderals,common criminals,stupid rednecks.Maybe, they will be interested in protecting their second admendment right along with Maine`s strong hunting Heritage and firearm owning traditions.Yes,I like it.

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I see in todays paper that,"William S. Harwood,said he was outraged by the lawsuit,which he said is intended to silence Whittenburg." No Mr Harwood,People have to be responsible for what they say and do.I feel when the MMM realised they couldn`t tear the half dozen members away from the Rosie O`Donald show to protest an LEGAL, Firearm Event,rather than look stupid,They made up a reason NOT to protest.Problem is that reason was designed to make HMHS look like a gang of thugs.How many MMM were protesting the Bangor Gun Show this weekend?(also a family firearm event)

Anonymous
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I've read what's been in the papers only, and here on AMG. What is the defamation that's being alleged? Will someone post in a declarative sentence or two what the defamation is.

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