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landry
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National ID Cards

TJC, I am saying that I am not in of more favor government digging and interfering in my life. Right today there is not one thing that I do in my daily life that is not controled in some way by the government. I have led a fairly good life. I went to war when asked by my government and I did not have to be drafted. I have never been arested. I have never had a traffic ticket of any kind, Moving or parking. I have never asked the government for help and I raised a family all by myself. I am now 78 and to have the government tell me I need to have a biometric I.D. pisses me off no end. I remember when this country was basically a free country. As I look at it today it IS a police state run by a tyrannical government out of Washington D.C. You can ask all the foolish questions you want such as do I want my tax return check stolen but I tell you what I want is the federal government off my back and out of my life. I want to see states rights back where they were seventy years ago. I know I will never see that and I believe that is because of people like you and others that will accept anything that Washington wants to pass out. I am through ranting and raving for now but I cannot promise I will not go off again in the future.
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National ID Cards

REJECT NATIONAL ID CARDS
Biomectric ID Cards Undermine Our Way Of Life
Excerpts from article by Representative Ron Paul

Washington politicians are once again seriously considering imposing a national identifiation card-and it may well become law before the end of the 108th congress. The much hailed 9-11 commission report released in July recomends a federal identification card and, worse, a "larger network of screening points" inside the United States...

As I have written recently, the 9-11 commission is nothing more than ex government offficials and lobbyists advising the currant government that we need more government...

In the same way congress rushed to pass the PATRIOT act after the 9-11 atttacks , to be seen doing "something," it looks like congress is about to make the same mistake again of rushing to pass liberty destroying legislation without stopping to consider the consequences.

A national identification card, in whatever form it may take, will allow the federal government to inappropriately monitor the movements and transactions of every American.

The federal government has no Constitutional authority to require law- abiding Americans to present any form of identification before they engage in private transactions.

We should take a look at our dangerously porous borders.

We must take efective measures to protect outselves from a terrorist attack . That does not mean rushing to embrace legislation that in the long run will do little to stop terrorism, but will do a great deal to undermine the way of life we should be protecting.

Just as we must not allow terrorists to threaten our lives, we must not allow the government to threaten our liberties. We should reject the notion of a national Identification card.
U.S.Representative Ron Paul

To read all of this article go to [url=http://www.americanfreepress.net]www.americanfreepress.net[/url]
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Bud:They have the right to require a card to pay taxes, get a benefit funded by the feds, or purchase or sell goods in interstate commerce. I expect that they could easily clear the constitutional hurdle.That's not to say I think it is a good idea. I don't . Biometrics is a better identity - verifying method.

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TJC, I really hate to say this and I will almost apologize in advance but that in my mind is what I would expect from a diehard socialist. I would never have looked for it from you. I believe this is one more step closer to a police state. It is a case of boiling a frog. Put him in a pan of cold water and heat it slowly so he will not jump out. Take the people's rights one at a time slowly and they will accept it. Are all the freedom minded people dieing with my generation? Is big brother here today?
Bud

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quote:Originally posted by budlandry@mid:
[b] It is a case of boiling a frog. Put him in a pan of cold water and heat it slowly so he will not jump out. Take the people's rights one at a time slowly and they will accept it. Are all the freedom minded people dieing with my generation? Is big brother here today?
Bud[/b]

Yes. And Yes.Your fellow citizens are far more concerned
about their second car/SUVs and their vacation days
than their freedom.

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Bud:Are you saying that the government should not be able to verify that a given person is whom he says he is?I don't pretend that they need to do so in the myriad of ways many would like. Biometric scan to get onto a bus, or into a national park? I don't think so. Biometric scan to check out the secret records, or when they find you in area 51 to confirm that you're not the North Korean photojournalist? Sounds about right.I don't think that the gov needs to do so much as they'd like. Still, they ought to be sure you are not some DECEASED voter, or DECEASED Social Security recipient, before letting the person vote for prez, or before they give 'em MY (and YOUR) bucks.Otherwise, EVERYBODY (including the North Korean agents) get to vote, and EVERYBODY, including Lance Armstrong, gets Social Security Disability for the asking.

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Bud, some would say we already have a National ID card. It's called a Social Security card.I still have my original which states, "not to be used to identification purposes".

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Jean:You are correct. Moreover, most illegals have a card just like yours. Some might even have your number.

Jean Carbonneau
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TJC, if that's the case who do I sue for invasion of my body, and who do I see about getting my stolen property back from.I do own myself, or at least I thought I did.

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sign of the devilIts like taking an oath to see a canidate stump,

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Its amazing how many bits of intelligence haven't been processed our intelligence community (post9-11)Its amazing how flip the president is in regards to assesing the intelligence produced.

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TJC, Yes, you should be able to prove you are whom you say you are. A case in point. I went into a sporting goods store the other day in Dexter, Maine to buy a firearm. The only identifcation I was asked for was my drivers license which does not have my picture on it. The form I filled out had a place for a S.S.number. Right beside that block was the word "optional." The clerk got on the phone and in less than three minutes the people in washington had my complete life before them and OKed my right to buy that firearm. What more should be needed. I have never argued about the information that was on that license so would you please tell me, what more do they need?

Biometric identification is being issued in Mexico today. Must we follow Mexico and the Soviet Unions example? Papers please.
Bud

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Bud:Are you in favor of me being able to pick up and cash your tax refund check by saying I'm you? I'm talking PURE biometrics. The gov records pretty minute details of what you look like, etc. No card needed.[ 09-30-2004: Message edited by: thejohnchapman ]

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Obama administration has told

Obama administration has told Congress it supports renewing three provisions of the Patriot Act due to expire at year’s end, measures making it easier for the government to spy within the United States.

In a letter to Sen. Patrick Leahy, the Vermont Democrat and chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, the Justice Department said the administration might consider “modifications” to the act in order to protect civil liberties.

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