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The panel is a stacked commission with a preconcieved agenda. This supposed "education" is part of an [url=http://trescotthistory.org/trescott-news/THS-051115-UTRegionalPropertyTa... agenda[/url] to promote higher taxes and fees on UT residents and to keep people out of rural areas in accordance with the viros' "anti-sprawl" campaign.

In a state based on welfare state redistributionism they are suddenly talking about people allegedly not paying their own way in order to stir up envy and resentment against people who pay relatively lower taxes in the UT. In fact the UT property taxes are lower because there are far fewer "services". UT property owners are already paying for the costs of police, schools, fire protection, etc. But you don't hear them mentioning any reform of the massive redistributionism in taxing people for government schools they don't use. As in organized towns, most of the property taxes go to schools.

Part of the campaign is to impose enormous fees for LURC permits -- on the order of $1,000 for a moderate sized house. The fees would go to the General Fund to finance Baldacci's spending but they are claiming it is to cover LURC "staff time". The "staff time" is of course created by LURC itself as it continues to generate more and more unnecessary but politically motivated regulations, and by the viros who intervene in the permit process as a means to obstruct private owners from using their own property.

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And if your permit is not approved you don't get your money back/

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[quote]evw ~ on the order of $1,000 for a moderate sized house[/quote]

FOR THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE, THAT RAPE PILLAGE AND BURN OUR HERITAGE.

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What a second! What evidence was presented to the Taxation Committee that the UT's are being inundated with new people demanding more government services?

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[quote="Editor"]What a second! What evidence was presented to the Taxation Committee that the UT's are being inundated with new people demanding more government services?

skf[/quote]
It was decided in advance by Baldacci and the Augusta political leadership. It is part of the viros' "smart growth" "anti-sprawl" agenda to penalize people for living in rural areas in order to drive us into increasingly congested cities. In a regression to 1930's fascism, central government planning is deemed to be more "efficient". They want to increase taxes on rural land owners to pay for uncontrolled spending in so-called "service centers" where people might go for "culture". See the original [url=http://trescotthistory.org/trescott-news/THS-051115-UTRegionalPropertyTa....

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I don't know about the UT, but it is common for people to move to rural towns and then expect the same services that they had in the city.

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I'd like to see some stats, Dan, on new residents moving to the UT's, building/buying homes, and demanding gov't services. Nothing I've seen to date leads me to believe this is a big group of people.

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Plum Creek's plan does call for a large number of new homes in the UT. That is going to create a demand for police, fire, roads, trash, ect.

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Do we know that Rep. Duplessie submitted this bill in response to Plum Creek's development plan?

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[quote="Dan Billings"]Plum Creek's plan does call for a large number of new homes in the UT. That is going to create a demand for police, fire, roads, trash, ect.[/quote] Really :?:

Why would these potential new home owners be any different from the 1,000 new property owners who have built in the Moosehead region in the last 20 years? People who own property there know how far the Greenville or Rockwood or Jackman fire departments are when they build. They know they will take their own trash to the dump and have to rely on the county sheriff departments or state police in these areas. I suppose there will be those who need to be told that before they buy. I know there is concern about increased traffic on the roads, but no one has been too vocal about the incredible amount of Canadian truck traffic that has inundated Rt 15 in the past 10 years. All the roads in Maine need maintenance, not just in the Moosehead/Jackman area. So this new cry about services for the UT's is a lot of balderdash, IMO.

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Property owners in the UT pay 100% of the cost of K-12 education of UT resident students. That includes the six schools that operate in the UT AND the cost of tuition to neighboring school systems when there is no UT school. NO state eductation subsidy is received to pay the cost as is in organized towns and districts. Obviously, the large landowners are footing the bill. To me, if anything should be changed, first would be to close the UT schools as a cost cutting measure and reorganize the delivery of public education in the UT. There are neighboring school systems with declining enrollments and these UT schools are often very small and very costly.

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My family and I live in an Unorganized Territory and we only want one thing from the government of this state: We want to be left the hell alone!

It is just a scam to get more out of us somehow and in the process make us feel like we "cheated" or something by moving to a place where the taxes are lower. We would probably not have left our ancestral home on the Maine coast except a working person can no longer afford to live there. The Maine coast has become the home of the wealthy. They can have it!

We are living here because we love it here. We love the wilderness and the lakes and streams. We are not neighborhood folks. We are willing to take care of ourselves.

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wood canoe wrote, ".... moving to a place where the taxes are lower".

With the ongoing re-evaluation in the UT we're going to get hit with a big increase in property
taxes. The real estate market has driven up the value of all properties, so hold on to your hat if you haven't already seen a jump in your taxes.

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A revaluation will not increase your taxes unless your property increases more than the average property in the UT.

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[quote="Dan Billings"]A revaluation will not increase your taxes unless your property increases more than the average property in the UT.[/quote]
That average includes all the timber land, which is not rising in value the way residential waterfront lots are.

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Town Manager wishes:
"To me, if anything should be changed, first would be to close the UT schools as a cost cutting measure"

That's what Angus King thought. He wanted to shut down all the schools in over half the state. The UTs are more than half the land area in Maine and the UTs are growing; not in population, but in land area because more towns are deorganizing. Unorganized Territories United rose up and stopped that factor in rural cleansing and then they stopped the COMPACT - twice.

Functionaries in the education establishment always want to grow their schools. There is a movement among administrators to attack smaller schools and swallow them up so the surviving superintendents can get bigger salaries. Those superintendents displaced will just become administrative aides and will see no decrease in pay. Some will retire and go back to work as consultants at double their pay. Don't ever let people like Town Manager bamboozle you into believing that longer bus routes will save money. We have kids now who come to school on Monday and go home on Friday. During the week they either live in the dorm or with in-town families.

I went to the Maine Land Use Summit and the Smart Growth Festival in 2005. They have an agenda and Town Manager has bought into it. I bet he works for one of those "designated core service communities". Those are the towns with liberal voter bases that Augusta wants to promote.

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Roger, In some cases, schools are located within 5-10 miles of each other. No I don't subscribe to "bigger is better" but I think everything should be looked at on a case by case basis. And what's wrong with living in dorms or in-town families? Might make students more well rounded and appreciate where they came from.

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There is nothing at all wrong with living in a dorm or with in-town families. We have kids in Northern Maine who go to school on snowmobiles, ATVs, boats and by float plane. My gripe is with those functionaries who want these kids to go even further to school.

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