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Mike G
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Bottom Line: Think Angus King

Bottom Line: Think Angus King will pick up Senator Snowe's advocacy of a Balanced Budget Amendment?

Rick

Now that is typical status quo thinking, we'd be lucky to be able to just pay the interest on the money congress has borrowed.

The "budget" cannot be balanced, Snowe and Collins and all their congressional cronies pooched us at least a decade ago. At this point we are just counting the days to insolvency and a complete devaluation of the dollar to zero.

You actually think that Snowe could have saved us, rather than being the cause of it.

Jim Corr
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Snowe was part of the

Snowe was part of the problem, not part of the solution. From that standpoint we've broken even with Angus!

Bob S
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Looks like the dissention

Looks like the dissention within the party will continue regardless of who gets the position....

I agree Mr. Reed. All I hear is "we need to unite," "we need to unite," but what is going to unite us? New bosses, same as the old bosses, just different philosophies is NOT going to unite anyone! What we need is something to unite under. Uniting under the platform will be a great start. There will be no unification if we can not at least agree on the platform. Sorry to sound negative, I am just a realist.

Ryan McCabe
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The platform already unites

The platform already unites us Bob. What needs to happen?

1. Pro-life folks need to be okay with Pro-choice folks, and vice-versa. This means we need to stop making it an issue in the primaries.
2. The marriage issue is settled, let's move on
3. RP Foreign Policy stances need to be an accepted viewpoint to have and we need to stop fighting and name calling about it
4. Traditional Conservative Fiscal Policy needs to be accepted by the RP folks as an okay view and the NeoCon name calling needs to go too

The truth be told, the platform does more to divide us than it does to unite us. All of the items mentioned above are part of our platform, yet we continue to argue about them. Just because I do not agree with the entire thing, does not mean I need to form a new party. Those who differ from us, but will work hard to advance our entire organization, must be embraced.

Bob S
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The platform doesn't unite us

The platform doesn't unite us Ryan. Half the people do not know what is in it and a lot of the others refuse to acknowledge it.

Peter
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Joined: 03/13/2005 - 1:01am
The party chairs job is to

The party chairs job is to grow membership, not to police the platform or to push legislation. Leadership isn't about fighting with other republicans its about growing membership.

Robert Reed
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Mr. McCabe, while I

Mr. McCabe, while I appreciate and applaud your suggestions, they do nothing to change one simple fact...the party is divided and nothing in your suggestions will change that. We must first unite the party for the greater good and then move on to winning again. I say this as someone not backing a horse in the race but liking both Beth and Rich (from arms length as I've never met either). Read through the comments here and elsewhere with an unbiased eye and you'll find there is quite a bit of accusation, heresay and negativity that must END NOW.

IMHO if we continue down this path we become the TWINKIE party..standing for what we individually want and not realizing that it ends up costing not just what we hoped to achieve us but others with different views in the party another election opportunity.

As to dead weight - great idea, except who determines who is dead weight - is it by voting record? by attendance> by donations made? Who decides and how do they decide what will be cast off? (Not meant to be sarcastic, but truly a question to be answered)

Bruce Libby
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Maybe we could start by not

Maybe we could start by not mentioning Snow anymore! She will be gone soon,let her go into the past!
Since we seem to be unable to master her one trait, that would be winning elections!

Ryan McCabe
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Dead weight is people who

Dead weight is people who show up once a month to the County meetings and do nothing other than vote.

The dead weight weeds itself out when you start having expectations at meetings. Make the County meetings workshops and the dead weight will take care of itself.

The question posed about how do we unite the party......stop fighting about everything and stop making the divisive issues our starting point for conversation. We will NEVER unite under the banners of abortion and marriage. We will also NEVER WIN under the banners of abortion and marriage. As one of the younger people on this forum, I assure you that those are two issues that most people under the age of 35 care very little about.

Roger Ek
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We know the content we need.

We know the content we need. Go to Ryan's presentations to learn about the process. I intend to buy an iPad. All I know about them is that they are like a giant iPhone with no phone in it. I would go to one of Ryan's presentations if I lived down there.

We have somebody with the social networking and hardware skills up here. He is Brian Daugherty of Penobscot County.

Old Dame Fortune
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Joined: 09/30/2010 - 9:08pm
Have you read the

Have you read the platform?

If it is supposed to unite us then #1 is a non starter. The platform is pro life.

Bob S
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Well ODF, for the people that

Well ODF, for the people that have issues with that, there is always the D party or the Libertarian party.

bob emrich
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If I believed that killing

If I believed that killing babies and redefining marriage are no cause for concern among republicans, regardless of age, I would have no reason to be an active member of the party.

Those who insist that we cannot win while being pro-life and pro-marriage should look again at who won and who lost a couple of weeks ago.

Ryan McCabe
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Ah yes, the platform says

Ah yes, the platform says Pro-life....well that settles it then, all Republicans are Pro-life.

ODF, you helped me make my point.

Bob, gay marriage passed and the Pro-Choice President won (largely because women thought Mitt would take away their rights), oh and two states legalized Marijuana....

I think there is enough proof to suggest that a hard line on marriage and abortion as a party, are losing scenarios.

bob emrich
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I disagree, Ryan. You are

I disagree, Ryan. You are generalizing according to bias. Marriage won more votes than Romney.
Look at the Maine legislature.
In 2009, marriage won. Did you and others proclaim it to be a winning issue then?
More than 50% of Americans are now pro-life and the highest gains were among young people.
The problem is not with the issues but in treating the issues as unimportant.

bob emrich
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I disagree, Ryan. You are

I disagree, Ryan. You are generalizing according to bias. Marriage won more votes than Romney.
Look at the Maine legislature.
In 2009, marriage won. Did you and others proclaim it to be a winning issue then?
More than 50% of Americans are now pro-life and the highest gains were among young people.
The problem is not with the issues but in treating the issues as unimportant.

Bruce Libby
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Well seeing that we are 1 for

Well seeing that we are 1 for 1 in the lost column it is easy to see we could be two for two.
The abortion issue is never going to be settled until Roe can be overturned and the issue is placed back onto the states where it should be and where the issue can be
fought over. That in it's self is reason enough to not get hung up on it and gives a wide berth to park it in .
There is ways to deal w/ it party wise they are not easy to come too ,but causing failure is if done wrong.

Ryan McCabe
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If more than 50% of Americans

If more than 50% of Americans are Pro-life, then Mitt Romney would be President.

Roger Ek
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For that to happen, Ryan,

For that to happen, Ryan, they must go to the polls or take advantage of the very generous opportunities to vote early. The biggest part of our problem is Republican legislator's continuing effort to be bipartisan and please the Democrats. It's an impossible task. Democrats are never satisfied. Independents and some Republicans just stay home when they perceive candidates to be "Republicrats" and there is no difference between the parties.

It would be instructive for candidates to read "The Overton Window".

http://www.amazon.com/Overton-Window-Glenn-Beck/dp/1451625286

bob emrich
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Come on, Ryan. You know

Come on, Ryan. You know better. There are some 50-60,000 Maine voters that voted for marriage but also voted for Obama. The issue is not the problem. Somehow messaging is missing the mark. You have a lot of good ideas but they get lost when you ignore the truth about so-called "social issues"

Every election cycle, the same misguided song gains popularity blaming the social issues.
How many GOP state senators lost re-election campaigns? How many of those were "social conservatives"?

Ryan McCabe
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Bob, I am trying to

Bob, I am trying to communicate with you about what I am seeing in the electorate. To be perfectly clear, I am Pro-life and indifferent about the marriage issue.

Let's discuss perspective for a moment. I work with mostly 22-39 year old people in the nuclear industry. I hear everyday how regular folks, not politically or religiously engaged, think about the marriage and abortion issue. Many young people will answer the abortion issue this way, "I would never get one, but I don't think we should be telling women what they can and cannot do with their bodies." Those same people claim to be Pro-life, but in reality, that is the original Pro-choice position. On the issue of marriage, the typical answer, "I don't care what people do with their lives, that is their decision, not mine."

Both of those stated positions are growing in popularity, not declining. The perception of what is Pro-life and Pro-choice is changing and Pro-choice people are identifying themselves as Pro-life because THEY wouldn't have an abortion. This is why you have the polls that say more than 50% of Americans are Pro-life, the numbers are wrong.

I am NOT blaming the social issues. I am blaming those who advocate for the social issues by insulting the other side of the argument or those who say a Pro-choice person should go to the Dems or Libertarians if they want to be pro-choice. That is what needs to stop. I am not saying RUN away from the issues, but don't make it such a big deal during the primary season.

bob emrich
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Never mind. I would like to

Never mind.
I would like to know how the GOP in any way made social issues too prominent.

Peter
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Romney isn't President

Romney isn't President because Obama was a better campaigner.
When is the last time a social conservative won 50 % of the vote in a state wide election?

Bob S
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Ryan, pissing off half of the

Ryan, pissing off half of the Republican Party by treating the Ron Paul people the way they were treated had nothing to do with our losses, eh? I know non Ron Paul people who said screw the Republican Party because of that treatment. Social issues did NOT cause us to lose! Alienating the young Liberty people caused us to lose. Why is that so hard to grasp?

Thrasybulus
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Congrats to Robert Reed for

Congrats to Robert Reed for the phrase of the week: "we become the TWINKIE party"

Bruce Libby
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Here again a simple answer to

Here again a simple answer to a problem. Along with do not talk about Snow,do not talk about RP either!
If he had an idea that needs support good just leave him out of it to start. Because the minute it is him it is contentious
no matter what ! IMO just what he wanted ! He is done so there should be no more RP people!
Plain and simple if last summer cannot be put to bed it is senseless to do anything else. The convention is done
the delegates are no more etc. etc..

Rick Blaine
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RIGHT!!! There should be no

RIGHT!!!

There should be no "Ron Paul People" because there's been NO Ron Paul with any viable chance to win anything for about nine months now...

And by the way, the "Ron Paul People" never represented anything close to "half the Republicans"!

As you'll recall, some 2% of Maine Republicans participated in the state caucuses... and even with the out-of-state Community Organizers like Wallace, Boyer, Brakey, etc doing their best to hijack the process - Ron Paul still LOST.

In fact, Maine was one of his strongest states, and his people did manage to get plenty of kids to the Augusta Convention to take over there - but their credentials never passed the Straight-Face test. They were turned away in Tampa because they were caught.

You Were Found Out, Kids!!! You were not ROBBED... you cheated and got caught. Stop playing "victim;" it's most unattractive!

So please stop crying. Wipe your little noses and get to work. It's much easier to point fingers, cry and whine than it is to build a winning party.

You'll find this out.

Apollo
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To Brakey and Boyer, I was

To Brakey and Boyer, I was glad to see the posts you made, but I thought I would just post some questions.
- A couple of months ago, you guys took pictures of everyone in the room at a Cumberland County meeting. People thought afterwards that you were compiling an enemies list of anyone who voted against your motions to support the national delegation, and that you were trying to intimidate people. Why did you take pictures of everyone?
- There are rumors that you guys are going to try to "take over" the party. This would involved taking over towns and forcing out anyone that is not a Ron Paul person, and putting in a County Chairman that would do whatever you told them to do. True or false?
- Why can't you just leave Jan Staples alone? She's not the national committee woman anymore and isn't even on the State committee. Do continued threats and harrassment really serve any purpose except to divide people more?

Bruce Libby
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Rick B. I have no problem w/

Rick B.
I have no problem w/ ideas from anyone,my suggestion was just disassociate the name from the ideas and it would be a start.
Please refrain from further hijacking of my suggestion in any form.
Of course forgetting about last summer would be nice also and it would be good if you would just drop the accusations about any group
because as an observer it appears you are doing the same amount of turd stirring as others for what ever reason. Regardless of how correct you might be hat has become a secondary issue w/ you IMO.

Rick Blaine
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Bruce: So what are you

Bruce:

So what are you claiming here?

Do I need your permission to think and post?
And your permission to post and think?

I'm thinking NOT!

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Please read over your post again. Is there a point hidden in there somewhere?

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