NY Times: If Rudy, Christian Conservatives May Go 3rd Party
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Dozens of Christian conservatives met September 29th (including Dr. Dobson, Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, and direct mail pioneer Richard Viguerie) approving a resolution that says, "If the Republican Party nominates a pro-abortion candidate we will consider running a third party candidate."
Fine. Don't vote with us. Hillary will win, appoint a few more Ginsburgs to the Supreme Court, and generally support most everything you oppose.
I'm compromising some of my own principles (abortion, guns etc.) because Rudy can win next year. I think its better to have someone in office that I agree with 60 to 70 percent of the time rather than zero.
And how ironic that in their zealous commitment to principle, the progress made on those issues concerned will be set back yards rather than inched forward by this decision.
The laughter here comes from her knowing that a house divided cannot stand. It's tough to see how a party can win when it is fighting itself.
Why would a conservative, whose passion is the right to life, vote for a candidate who favors unrestricted abortion and even government funding of abortion as Rudy does?
If you were a passionate opponent of slavery and agreed with most of the issues of a candidate except that the candidate favored choice in slavery, how would you vote?
Or if you agreed with the economic and many of the other views of a Hitler, but opposed his views on killing what he defines as "unwanted humans" how would you vote?
A Party that alienates one-third of its base (Christian Conservatives) deserves to be placed on history's trash bin.
When a tent becomes toooooo big, the roof can fall in.
Why would a conservative, whose passion is the right to life, vote for a candidate who favors unrestricted abortion and even government funding of abortion as Rudy does?
Because he has stated he will appoint judges like Scalia and Thomas.
"STOP POSTING THE PICTURE OF THAT WOMEN"
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Ha, someone really hates Hillary guess we won't be seeing you at her rally anytime soon...
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..Because he has stated he will appoint judges like Scalia and Thomas.
Not exactly. Scalia and Thomas were solid opponents of Roe v. Wade.
Rudy may need another interrupting telephone call from his wife to change the subject.
I understand the skepticism of Rudy and do not support him myself, but the Republican nominee will be the only chance abortion opponents will have to vote for someone who might appoint judges who will overturn Roe.
We know that support for Roe is a litmus for the Democrats.
What makes you so sure that Rudy can win? I have not seen any reason to believe he is a better candidate than the others.
I know the media likes him, but I doubt they will be so helpful to him if he was running against Clinton.
One article in the NYT and people go nuts over conservatives. They must be more powerful than I thought. :lol:
The same sources tried to invent a "rift" and a "divide" among conservatives over Thompson a week ago.
Those of you who are so afraid that conservatives can cause Clinton to win by their failure to support Rudy might want to consider that calling them morons is a poor way to build a "team".
Think carefully now. There must be a reason that all the candidates are trying to seem religious lately. There must be a reason that even Obama has been talking about faith. Or we could just call them names and make fun of them. :wink:
Tony Perkins was on NBC tonight saying the same b.s. that was in the Times. He said nothing to try to knock down the article -- he basically endorsed what it was saying.
So it has come to this? By not denying a NYT report one is endorsing it? You are coming right along, Dan.
Tony will be here soon. I will ask him about it.
In the meantime, someone tell me why the Republican Party should elect people who will not support the party.
What is the point?
BTW - gop... great statement: "I don't vote to keep the Republican party alive.. I vote to keep my values alive and no party comes before my values.. "
I know the media likes him...
Bingo. Give that man a cigar. Now substitute Obama for Rudy and you see why I think they'll both be the Howard Deans of 2008. You can only bulls--t the voters for so long.
If Republicans do not unite, we will face this in 2008..
Quote:Bingo. Give that man a cigar.
How about a Moxie instead?
Here is a solution for you. All of you who want me to ignore my deepest convictions should ignore your preferences instead and support the most socially conservative candidate instead. Then we will win and will all be happy. I am tired of moving to the left. You people start heading my direction.
Tony will be here soon. I will ask him about it.
In the meantime, someone tell me why the Republican Party should elect people who will not support the party.
What is the point?
Rudy has been one of the hardest workers for the party. He has campaigned all over the country for Republicans of all stripes.
Here is a solution for you. All of you who want me to ignore my deepest convictions should ignore your preferences instead and support the most socially conservative candidate instead. Then we will win and will all be happy. I am tired of moving to the left. You people start heading my direction.
Support whomever you would like in the primary. But the general election will be won by the Democrat nominee or the Republican nominee. If you do not support, the Republican nominee, you are helping the Democrat nominee.
Rudy has been one of the hardest workers for the party. He has campaigned all over the country for Republicans of all stripes.
Baloney! Does the man agree with the party platform, Dan?
He does not support life
He does not support traditional marriage
He does not support the 2nd amendment
He does not support lower spending
He loves big powerful government
How is doing on immigration?
The two most convincing arguments so far are:
"He will appoint justices like Scalia and Thomas" - (he has not explained why)
"He is changing his mind" - (won't that make him a conservative? I thought a conservative can't win)
"Support whomever you would like in the primary."
You don't suppose that saying one "Might" choose to vote for a third party candidate could be an attempt to sway the primary vote, do you?
He led the only city with its own personal CIA.
"He is changing his mind" - (won't that make him a conservative? I thought a conservative can't win)
No, that would make him Mitt Romney! :D
and many of us on the right agree with you , we have lost our party because we have been allowed to deal with going to the center (collins , snowe) those days are done for a lot more folks than Dan and others wanna admit .......too bad for them ...............
if the republican party keeps going to the center then let us lose because going to the center we do lose anyway ............
"No, that would make him Mitt Romney!"
Yet that is one of the most convincing reasons given to support him!
Vote for Rudy because he is not too conservative and maybe after we do he will become a conservative?
I can't stand this weird reasoning. I am going to look for ice cream.
Who was it that decided he is the only one who can beat whats-her-name?
I am not suggesting that he is the only one who can win. I do not support Rudy.
But if you are not going to support the GOP nominee for President, you are a Democrat.
Have the idiots who supported Perot and King not learned anything?
"But if you are not going to support the GOP nominee for President, you are a Democrat."
i may be just a high school graduate but i am no longer fooled by this B-S ........................ you and moderates allow our country to become more and more liberal .............
true republicans will bite the bullet and make the country come back to us because under your thinking we have already lost far too much ...............
and many of us on the right agree with you , we have lost our party because we have been allowed to deal with going to the center (collins , snowe) those days are done for a lot more folks than Dan and others wanna admit .......too bad for them ...............
if the republican party keeps going to the center then let us lose because going to the center we do lose anyway ............
This may come as a surprise to you RR, but it is not YOUR party to lose.
RR: You do more to advance the Democrat Party on a daily basis than any Democrat I know. Congratulations!
By the way -- did you never learn to write in sentences? Does your keyboard not have a shift key?
GERALD T. Overturning Roe v Wade would not change the culture. It would simply move the struggle from the Supreme Court to the states, i.e, negate a decision that even some liberal legal scholars find sloppy.
And even if most states reinstated prohibition of abortion---a very doubful proposition---it is unclear that the pubilc will ever sanction effective penalties. So it comes back to cultural values , over which presidents, and even dictators, have only limited influence.
Majorities would probably support such restrictions as parental consent, but these can only ameliorate the slaughter.
My point still stands. Giuiliani may be sincere in his pledge to appoint judges who are faithful to the constitution---I have no certainty of that---but the most the can be hoped for is a president who will not support judicial usurpation of the popular will and one whose beliefs support sanctity of human life even if he lacks the power to enforce it by law. Giuliani might serve one of those ends, even if he is disqualified from serving the symbolic one. Hillary will serve neither.
As Porky Pig might say:
"What a buh-be-buh, buh-be-buh, buh-be-buh, buh-be-buh...
Uhhhhh... What a WITCH!!"
That's all folks...
He does not support life
He does not support traditional marriage
He does not support the 2nd amendment
He does not support lower spending
He loves big powerful government
How is doing on immigration?
If I may play devil's advocate for a moment...
George W. Bush was nominated and elected twice based largely on the turnout of conservatives. For most of his presidency, he has had a Republican-held House and Senate, yet by the above criteria,
- he has not lowered spending
- government has gotten bigger and more powerful
- illegal immigrationhas not subsided
With regard to some of the other issues, nothing has dramatically changed. This is not a commentary, nor support for a particular candidacy or ideology. It's an assessment of the facts. We all hear a great deal from politicians but sometimes the results are the same despite party or ideological differences. The only way to know is what individuals have accomplished. Each of the candidates bringssomething different to the table.
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While not expecting any restraint in this thread could we please;
"STOP POSTING THE PICTURE OF THAT WOMEN"
A warning label would do !