I hope someone in Portland (and NYC, etc) had the foresight to take some "before" photos and takes, for comparison, some "after"-s when the [s]tantrums[/s] protests are over. If it's like any other gathering of liberals, a lot of fat cats (Maine taxpayers) will pay their fair share, and then some, to clean up. There's the theft.
For real comparison, look at similar photos of any "conservative" rally.
"What a bunch of hypocrites..."
Why are we hypocrites? Has anybody here said that the "occupy Wall Street/Portland/whatever" protesters shouldn't be allowed to protest? Or are we "hypocrites" because we see this "protest" as pathetic and the "protestors" uninformed? They have the right to protest, as unintelligent as they are about it, and we have the right to point out that most of the "protestors" probably don't know what or why they're "protesting".
And comparing this to the Tea Parties is ridiculous. The Tea Parties are genuine grass-roots movements, not led or funded by a George Soros or a Van Jones, and full of people who have intelligently expressed their greivences without getting arrested, blocking traffic, or threatening violence. The differences between the two groups couldn't be starker.
I guess crack babies DO grow up.
The saddest thing about these protestors is their support for totalitarian means to achieve their "social justice" ends.
They manage to be cynical about corporate personhood while simultaneously being naive about the tyranny of well-intentioned central government.
As for comparing the Tea Party with the Occupiers- I like the shot in the video where they span the park and it is completely empty outside of one small location. If that were the Tea Party the crowds would have been going on for miles, and yet these unelected protesters claim to be representing "99% of the people"-I repeat without being elected to do so!- now there's democracy for you! I love how they come out with lines such as "its about time we had a movement"- completely denying the existence of the Tea Party Movement that vastly overwhelms their own in numbers.
One of my favorite lines is the only line that mentions the concept of work-One unelected representative said "We are over educated and underemployed" - like why do you feel you have to have an education unless you feel you have to be employed at a "quality job" to use our legislature's lingo which is code for higher pay and larger benefits. The route taken by some of those whose wealth this group covets is out of the realm of possibilities in their own self righteous mind set- that of starting with nothing and bootstrapping ones own way to wealth- that as well as any form of self education or learning on the job are beyond the limits of the paradigm in which these people exist.
I concur that no one has said these people do not have the right to protest but we have a right to say they do not represent our views since I would take a guess that we are all in the "99%" of the population for whom these protestors claim to be the voice. I am glad they are protesting because it gives one a real insider's view of how big government supporters actually think. I sometimes wonder why Obama's support numbers are as high as they are. This video explains it.
They protest capital, yet without capital there is no money to :spread the wealth around".
These "over educated and under employed" protestors say they want government to underwrite more education but if they represent the product of education in this country-the current taxpayer investment is not working out very well.
Even the most mainstream Maine news outlets pointed out that the Monument Square protesters cannot seem to formulate a coherent message.
Naturally, Rep. Diane (D)* Russell was there, to plead that "such complicated issues" can't be packaged in a "short, cute" manner.
* (the 'D' stands for donuts).
They should be protesting big government (the real cause of their problems), but they are calling for more of it.
Overeducated? Ha! There's the value of today's college education for you. Underemployed? Employ yourself, fool.
CV43, I do look down upon them, because they are the dregs of society, blatenly inferior to the people that actually work for a living. They don't even work or pay taxes, yet demand that the government provide everything for them, for free, and that all of the banks and business owners, somehow "owe" them. They don't even have the courage or the will to do anything for themselves in the greatest country on earth. Nothing but losers, transients, deviants, misguided youths out to get attention. They deserve nothing but contempt.
As a member of the 99% proclaimed to be represented by the "Occupiers"- I demand better and more intelligent representation. Throw the bums out! I say!
But interesting use of self labeling- "occupiers" indeed, since they clearly have no respect for our constitution which is based in up-holding personal property and the right to the fruits of owns own labors- which does imply actually laboring to get the fruit. Didn't they learn this is in their education? I guess not since our higher educational systems offer more courses on Marxism than on the political philosophy that founded the United States of America-. We are seeing the product of that education in "the occupiers".
Are they planning on invading a Bank of America and threatening the tellers again? After all, the Tellers might make a whopping $30 K a year if they are lucky. Definitely rich people that need to be dealt with. Maybe they could smash a few windows too, then delcare that the revolution has started.
The transient bums of occupy Maine set up tent city in Lincoln Park.
Are those tents from LL Bean or Wal-Mart?
How dare they set up tents like that! Look at all the homeless people that can't even afford a tent. Dirty capitalists. Their tents should be seized in the name of social justice, and given to those less fortunate.
From their parents' garage.
One of them looks like the one I lost off the back of my truck up near Jackman one night.
Oh well, I guess I just helped to spread the wealth.
These are not "protesters," they are organized panhandlers, and likely well-funded ones. They want more stuff given to them by law, and they want it taken from others.
Tea Party thinkers are exactly the opposite; they are protesters, and want the assault of a malignant big government upon the constitution to stop.
The first is the "takings coalition;" the second is the "leave us alone coalition," to use Grover Norquist's terms. You might want to read his book on the subject. It lays things our very clearly.
Tweets were coming from the protesters yesterday asking for tobacco, q-tips, prepaid debit cards, etc.
Don't they know that tobacco comes from those EVIL, BIG CORPORATIONS? Shouldn't they be either growing their own or giving it up? Same goes for q-tips and bank cards -- how can they subsidize Big Corporate, Capitalist America?
In the "good old days", those who were disgruntled with corporate America and Wall Street protested by moving to the country, setting up communes and living off the land. Lots of them landed in Maine. Most soon found out that it was a lot of really hard work and that communes didn't work that well because everyone shared everything regardless of how hard each individual worked. Most, I think, became part of their communities, some to business, some to government and some became farmers (see Common Ground Fair). These guys just seem to want a handout. I'm guessing this cold, wet Maine weather will discourage them pretty fast.
Q-tips? Can you even light the damn things? If you could, I can't imagine they'd give you much of a high.
Anyway, I just ran across a book review of "Generation F" in the Weekly Standard. The article is titled "Never Enough; A chronicle of Britain's privleged underclass."
It is appropos the subject of this thread, and has some very memorable passages.
"These are youths growing up one step removed from a feral state, spending most of their time stoned, little of their time in classrooms or looking for work, and none of their time actually working."
“There is an underclass of people . . . [who] see failure as a badge of honour, and the ‘three Rs’ have been replaced by the three Is: ignorance, indolence, and illiteracy.”
Word limits prevent me from giving any more, but you should read the article; it's only a one pager in the mag.
Towards the end, one inserted quote from the book begins "I lose count....." it alone is worth your time to open it up and print it out.'
You can also go here to the author's blog.
The first paragraph you'll see there is:
"Excuses For the Riots Debunked
Since the riots have subsided the excuse makers have been busy trying to find justification for the feral mobs that burned working and middle class families out of their homes as well as laying destruction to local businesses and people's workplaces. Wednesday's Guardian gives a few of them a platform in which to try and rationalise mob rule."
Speaking of just running across things, here's one from the Washington Times. It explains the 'occupation" movement quite well.
A recurring theme among the 20 something protestors is student loan debt.
Maybe they ought to be occupying campus quadrangles instead of the public square.
They have been caught up in the higher-education bubble.
College profs and adminstrators have reaped the benefits of the immense flow of student loan money.
Student loan money now controlled by Obama via the health care bill they all wanted. I would that in listening to some of these kids that they have never ever lacked for anything, they always got their way and now that they have wasted the college years and are on their own they are shocked that they cannot get the perfect job after all and they may have to do without the latte. I would be curious to know if any of them paid federal income taxes. It looks more the 1% vs. 1%.
I can't believe our local bunch of losers tweeted that they needed some bank cards...by the way, anyone been down to the tent city lately? Wondering how they are dealing with the cold rainy weather.
While I strongly believe that borrowers are obligated to pay back loans, I have some empathy for young people struggling to pay back student loans when they have other huge financial setbacks like medical bills for cancer or the death of a spouse.
Imagine, that person can go through bankruptcy and still be on the hook for the money he borrowed from the taxpayers, but Solyndra can blow through $500 million of Obama funds and not be on the hook for a dime.
OccupyMaine shares Monument Square with farmers, anti-war actors
Oct 06, 2011 12:00 am
Demi Colby, a Gardiner native who said she came to Maine from the Occupy Wall Street protest, estimated...about 20 OccupyMaine protesters...camping out in Lincoln Park. Use of the park stemmed from an agreement the group struck with the city to avoid overnight use of tents in Monument Square.... OccupyMaine ranks swelled to 50 in the daytime....
Asked how long the group would remain in Portland, Colby said, "Forever, until real change happens. Indefinitely."
They have so much to learn. For example, they seem to be unaware of the thirteenth - fifteenth amendments to the constitution. Also, they want and end to free trade, immediate big tariffs (to create jobs) and an immediate open border policy (to make sure we don't actually do those jobs).
They are unaware of current collective bargaining rights.
also, they want immediate forgiveness of all debt of whatever kind. T bills are debt. So is your individual checking account.
some of these lists regardless of how right or wrong are extreme points of view and will only hurt our cause by making us look like extremist nut jobs.
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