"Outlaw credit reporting agencies"
See, I knew they were all deadbeats after all...
By "stop posting demand lists," do they mean the ones for hand-warmers and Q-tips, or the ones for cigarettes and debit cards?
As for Portland's new "tent city," the Fire Marshal is likely going to take a dim view of outdoor bonfires, and campstoves in tents. The nights are getting chilly. Do the protesters have the correct health and safety permits? Or, since their cause is "worthy," will the city turn a blind eye?
Stop Corporate Greed!! Only Union Greed is Allowed!!
Posted: October 6
Union members join march 'to stop corporate greed'
The Associated Press
NEW YORK - Unions lent their muscle to the long-running protest against Wall Street... members joining thousands of protesters in a lower Manhattan march as smaller demonstrations flourished across the country.
Protesters in suits and T-shirts with union slogans left work early to march with activists ....
"We're here to stop corporate greed," said Mike Pellegrino, an NYC Transit bus mechanic from Rye Brook. "They should pay their fair share of taxes. We're just working and looking for decent lives for our families."
Look for the purple shirts, coming to a Monument Square near you....
This is actually regarding the entire "Occupy" movement and its relationship to Moveon, but I am loathe to start yet another "Occupy" thread.
This is quite interesting and worth the time it takes to watch it. While some of it is a bit out there, DallasGoldbug has some compelling photographic and videographic evidence that they are one in the same and that the events are staged.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
E-mail : Occupymaine@gmail.com
PARKS AND RECREATION “GRANTS PERMISSION” FOR ONE WEEK OF SPEECH AND ASSEMBLY TO OCCUPYMAINE
On Wednesday, October 5th, OccupyMaine applied for a permit from Parks and Recreation in order to set-up a canopy in Monument Square during inclement weather. The application, filed by OccupyMaine’s legal advisor, John H. Branson, was met with a distressing reply from city official Ted Musgrave.
Musgrave, not accustomed to approving the use of city property for 1st Amendment purposes for spans of time longer than eight to sixteen hours, decided to give OccupyMaine “permission” to operate in the square under protection of the First Amendment for no longer than one week.
OccupyMaine will not, under any circumstance, seek permission from the City of Portland to exercise their constitutional rights of speech and assembly in a public space nor are they required to do so under the Portland City Code or the Constitution. To demand they do so is a flagrant case of prior restraint. As Branson responded in a letter to the city’s corporation counsel, “Mr. Musgrave suggestion that my clients did not have the city’s permission to exercise their first amendment rights of speech and assembly for more than a week amounts to prior restraint on speech that is flatly unconstitutional.”
Musgrave advised Branson that the Department of Parks & Recreation does not issue permits for structures on City property. However corporate structures have become an established presence in Monument Square. As recently as this past February, Sugarloaf and Sunday River have been permitted to use this public space to construct a 20-foot tall ski slope in the middle of the square.
Contrary to the treatment of corporations, which have been able to exercise their free speech and have been permitted to erect structures in public space for private gain, OccupyMaine is being denied the right to exercise their collective, non-commercial speech, a right protected by the First Amendment.
This is precisely the type of injustice OccupyMaine is protesting against. They have not, and will not seek “permission” from the City of Portland to assemble, speak, and occupy our public space.
If you’d like more information on this topic, or to schedule or to schedule an interview please contact 207-200-1791.
I guess Sugarloaf and Sunday River are evil corporations now.
Why assemble in Portland? Go and assemble in Cape Elizabeth. That's were all the rich corporate people live. Portland is made up largely of twenty something guys with backpacks and sandals.
Apollo, do you really think the progressives in Cape Elizabeth would allow them to camp in their town, better yet I bet Ms. Dill has some space on her lawn they could pitch their tents, what say you Ms. Dill why are letting your fellow progressives suffer open your wallet and give them what they want, your money.
Absolutely - after all, Rep. Diane Russell brought them donuts and hot coffee. Isn't a stint on Dill's lawn and access to her powder room the least she could do?
Maybe she can talk to them about the evils of smoking and eating junk food.
They should be picketing the White House and the FED, if they were really concerned about corporate cronyism.
Another difference between the Tea Party and the Occupiers. The Tea Party, being a genuine grass roots movement, does not have their own legal council. If there were need of permit, a member of the Tea Party would volunteer to do the work, but it seems apropos to this groups message that they would have someone else to do the work for them. Is the legal adviser to the Occupiers working on a volunteer basis? If not who is footing the bill for his services? How corporate of them to have their own legal adviser- so much more professional than the Tea Party.
That video in post #64 is likely the most far out conspiracy bit of media I have ever seen. Mr. Goldbug is serious when he teaches the viewer the NYC cops are Move On actors and correct me if I am wrong, the Rep. Giffords shootiing was a Soros staged event.
This guy has clearly spun a bearing but what is even weirder, we have a forum moderator passing this stuff offf as somewhat legitimate.
This is conspiracy theory on bath salts which I thought was prohibited here.
Oh, good. You're back, and with more bricks to throw, I see.
I haven't had a chance to watch the video yet. But, given the choice of accepting Michelle's judgement or Mr. Coose's, well, that really isn't a contest , is it?
KInd of early to hitting the Kool Aid isn't it Chris?
Chris Coose, I am at a loss to figure out the point of your post. In case your hatred of all things right-leaning has rendered you myopic again, let me repeat exactly what I posted above that video:
While some of it is a bit out there, DallasGoldbug has some compelling photographic and videographic evidence that they are one in the same and that the events are staged.
So, what? You decided to emphasize what I said? That that some of the video is "out there"? Well, thanks. I guess your repeating it is helpful to those who will only listen to left-leaning haters as opposed to those of us who consider all information before figuring out what is and is not valid.
I appreciate your support of my statement.
The occupiers identify their actions as inspired by the protestors in the "Arab Spring" with "Arab Spring" being yet another media concoction that suggests the motivations and outcome of events in the Middle East are the subject of media fairy tales. The one thing that we do know about the events in the Middle East is that the end game of the protestors was clearly defined- the ousting of the dictators in the various nations. Who knows what "democracy" means after that? In Palestine it meant electing Hamas as the controlling political power.
But the occupiers repeat the media generated lexicon, such as "the Arab Spring" and channel politically generated mantras such as "fair share", both of which, like "hope and change" are murky terms that are wide open for interpretation by anyone anywhere.
The occupiers are here for an indefinite time until the indefinite goal of "change" is achieved. Well buddies you can leave now because change is the only constant. Things are always changing. Other than "change" there does not seem to be any specific measure to signal that the occupiers have achieved their goals. They don't seem to get that the ones they emulate, the Arab protestors had a specific and measurable goal- to over throw a dictator. There is no such identifiable goal here.If the Arab spring is romanticized as a "democratic" revolution, once the dictator has been disposed the great challenge of forming a constitutional democracy becomes the new goal. If it is a pure democracy, it can mean the tyranny of the majority and if that majority is the Muslim Brotherhood, it doesn't make for a good fairy tale ending.
Meanwhile we already have a constitutional democratic republic. We already have a system, which like all systems works as well as the character of the people. Our system was designed, with the vast range of human character in mind, as a system of checks and balances. It is the fact that we already have a constitutional system that protects the rights of assembly and freedom of speech which makes the occupiers right to be heard a fact. What the occupiers don't like is that our constitutional system is based in a political philosophy that protects property rights and the right to the fruits of ones own labor. Whenever I hear "fair share" I wonder why it isn't applied to government.Why does the government sector have a right to spend the wealth that others create? I think government is well over its "fair share" already. But the concept that 'fair share" can be applied to the government sector is completely occluded from the meaning of this politically generated mantra ( from the Obama team who is trying to repeat the great success of the "hope and change" mantra).
Now that the unions have joined with the occupiers, it just won't be complete until the government employees embrace it as well. More and better government pension plans!
You might have union leadership voicing support, but I don't see many union workers out there with the protesters. They all look like young hippies to me.
The Union joined the NYC Occupiers. I haven't heard about them joining the Maine Occupiers yet. Are you talking about NYC or Maine?
They're getting on the anti-greed bandwagon in Maine, too.
Occupy Maine gets support from unions as demonstration nears one-week mark
By Seth Koenig, BDN Staff
Posted Oct. 07, 2011, at 12:29 p.m.
PORTLAND, Maine — Members of a group angry about corporate influence on government has found support from southern Maine labor unions ....
Some...wearing pins bearing the logo of the Teamsters Local 340..... resolution of support ...by the Southern Maine Labor Council.
.... includes.... International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, the American Postal Workers Union and the Maine State Employees Association, in addition to the Teamsters.
This is rich, considering that over the last couple decades, some unions have become the personification of "greed."
From Apondsong's other thread:
Why Occupy Wall St.? A video.
So we have the government sector as well. Every body wants a piece of the pie that is the fruit of the efforts of private sector wealth creators. Of course it is not greedy that they demand bigger and bigger slices of the fruit of others labor-No that is "social justice"- its just "greedy" for the private sector to be creating wealth in the first place. The Occupiers don't seem to realize that the less wealth the "greedy" private sector creates, the less there is to grab their self proclaimed fair share of other people's work efforts.
"Occupiers" is certainly the right name for this ravenous bunch. Occupiers are usually a foreign system of government that takes over an established system of government. Their philosophy is certainly foreign to the founding philosophy of the United States of America, which came about after the Boston Tea Party through the efforts of the colonists who felt that they too were being occupied by a foreign system of government.
"TOWNSHIP 3, RANGE 4 – Protesters continued to crowd this Aroostook County unorganized territory Thursday in what they described as peaceful resistance to superficial capitalist greed that places the needs of profit over human rights."
The "Occupation" is apparently spreading- to see the full story for more information, click HERE .
Was in Monument Sq. earlier today on business. Had a chance to observe 'the protest' while having a cup of coffee. Time 1030hr.
There were perhaps 10 or 12 people who appeared to be part of the Occupy group. The others just looked like regulars :)
Two women were doing their morning routine which appeared to be a cross between Tai Chi and Pilates. Maybe they were trying to stay warm. Or, maybe they just rolled out of their sleeping mat.
In any event, the exercise ended after a aminute.
Protest signs were made out of cardboard pieces, written on with black magic marker. Someone needs to give these people a class in how to make a protest sign. What good is your message if you can't read it from 50 feet away? Messages should be succinct, not manifesto-like in length - LOL - They must be legible. Is this too much to ask?
Maybe it was just too early for them.
I feel let down...
Michelle Anderson: This is actually regarding the entire "Occupy" movement and its relationship to Moveon, but I am loathe to start yet another "Occupy" thread.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought conspiracy theories were a no-no on AMG. "Some of it is a bit out there" I would rephrase that to say, "Most of this is way, way out there. Some of it is just a bit out there."
Sorry, I don't get why you've posted this. Full disclosure.... I couldn't get past the 6th minute in the video. I tried to watch the whole thing because I didn't want to criticize it without having seen it all, but I just couldn't subject myself to any more of it.
I'm more than a little surprised by the overwhelming absence of empathy for the protests and protesters. For all of the feeble, dubious and surreptitious components, there are at least a few legitimate gripes rightfully drawing support out of the disenchanted woodwork.
I wonder when these whiz kids will start protesting that evil Heinz corporation and I hope they realize how much money Obama got/gets from the fatcats on Wall st. And where were they when the Obama was bailing out the banks. And unlike the auto companies most of the banks have paid back their "loans".
taxfoe- I think the few legitimate issue the Occupiers gripe about is already a part of the Tea Party protests, which is reason for some to compare this group with the Tea Party- neither group liked the corporate bail outs for instance- but the Occupiers want redistribution of wealth- more entitlements- and have little to say about job creation- The Tea Party wants the government to get out of the way so that the private economy can get back to creating wealth, and the Tea party wants to return to our constitutional rights, which includes the protection of personal property and ownership of the fruits of one's own labor and smaller government.
Its an old trick to use the lure of something that is genuinely desirable to introduce all kinds of bad ideas. It is not just about the validity of "the gripes" - it is a question of how the perceived solution.
For all of the feeble, dubious and surreptitious components, there are at least a few legitimate gripes rightfully drawing support out of the disenchanted woodwork.
Even a blind pig can find an acorn.
Meanwhile, in occupied Sacramento....
Why are you here?
Uhhhh. Right now it's kinda vague.
Islander: If you asked them, you might find out that plenty of those kids are greviously disappointed in Obama. This mess runs deep.