Our President Elect Defines Sin

I also have to say that there are ways to worship other than entering a building with a steeple. (Note: I am not saying that Obama is doing so or that he is not, but I thought I thought I should mention the possibility.)

Well said, Michelle.

Just like the funeral non-attendance "issue," this is just more empty, petty speculation.

How very judgmental of you, Naran. This is not a petty, speculative issue for evangelicals, of whom I am one. It is a statement that defies what God tells us in His Word - the Bible. And as such, it condemns the president-elect for who he is, as compared to who he claims to be. One never advances one's position when one defies God's Word. Ever.

Speaking of "judgemental...."

Like I said, this is petty speculation. We don't know if Obama prayed that day, or attended church another day. For someone to sit in judgement because he skipped one Sunday smacks of the idle, nosy busy-bodies that officiously keep tabs on their neighbors' every smallest move, and are universally despised for it.

Christians internalize the Word. It becomes "their" values.

Good grief.

And how is that bad?

It's not.

The thread is about semantics. John thinks Obama is a "condemned" secular humanist, because of the way Obama phrased his answer.

Much ado about nothing.

We're in complete agreement.

Agreed. Well said.

Naran, the thread is not about whether or not Obama skipped church on any given week. It is about his definition of sin, which is what I was referring to in my most recent post. If I was barking up the wrong tree, you have my sincerest apology.

There's a reason that some country's presidents and many royalty have private chapels. In this instance, I agree with Obama that the disruption accompanying a large retinue of Secret Service personnel and aides would indeed distract from the everyday church services and worship for the other members.

The article states that Bush attended church services after becoming President-Elect, but at an "invitation only" service.

I'd rather wait, and judge Obama on his actual performance as President, rather than picking apart his every alleged social and religious lapse beforehand. I would hope that AMG would rather critique his actual performance in the elected office, since that would certainly be more "substantive" than idle, gossipy speculation.

Besides, isn't gossip a sin?

I was referring to Tom C's post regarding Obama's non-church-attendance.

Give me a break. This guy's opinion about people "clinging to their bibles" is on record.

Office of the "President-Elect"?

Obama is a self-absorbed jackass who doesn't believe in God because he doesn't think he should have to share the glory. He'll be "religious" when it is convenient for him to be, it's a phoney front calculated to get him through the election.

And, you KNOW that.

This thread is really not productive.

The guy isn't even in office yet...and what smears. Low behavior.

Well, he's pretty much demonstrated his character during the election. That and the legions of supporters he had to throw under the bus so he wouldn't be ridden out of town.

I guess we'll hope he'll magically improves once he assumes the great amount of power of the presidency.

I mean absolute power improves character - isn't that it?

Huh? Again, I find your comments low.

Me merely POINTING OUT what he did to his pastor, advisors and old political cronies is LOW?

How about him doing it? I suppose that was saintly in your opinion?

Classic Charlotte attacking the messenger.

Hey, that's different.

I hear O'Bambi is probably going to keep Gates on as SecDef. I guess all that talk about "change" was just another lie by the Man Who Would Do Anything To Become President. And an admission that Bush wasn't doing such a bad job with the military.

I find it funny you talk about attacking ...that is a hoot.

I didn't agree with Bush, I think he did a crummy job (as does the majority of Americans). That said, I bet he is a nice guy. Personally I do not throw him under the bus.

You are a partisan...one who likes to label and attack. That is your right...That said, I know you will always attack Dems, no matter what they do.

That is the problems we faced the last administration. Thank God for the change.

We also have him saying that he went to church "about 20 times" a year when he was at Rev. Wright's church. And, according to his statements, he wasn't paying attention to the sermons when he was there.

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Phony, aye.

And I've worked with some of the best.

Bingo, Michelle, the guy is just a liar.

In the light of Obama's answer...

"But let every man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that wine."
1 Cor. 11:28

OBAMA:
Being out of alignment with my values.

The original SIN is turning our backs on the sovereignty of God and substituting our own values instead.

Knuck,

Speak for yourself. That doesn't mean that we aren't all in the same boat regarding your generalization.
But let anybody and everybody speak for themselves also.

Mahalo