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Mainelion,

I feel I get a better shot pattern with Federal loads.

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Letter to Remington in this morning's outgoing mail

Remington Arms Company, Inc.
870 Remington Drive
P.O. Box 700
Madison, NC 27025-0700

Dear Sir,

I want to take a moment to thank you for your recent withdrawal of sponsorship for Mr. Jim Zumbo.
As a life long sportsman, Life Member of the NRA and active Second Amendment activist I was shocked at Mr. Zumbo's comments and the resulting use of those comments by anti gun organizations.
One of the facts we must face as defenders of the Second Amendment Rights of the American People is the need for our constant vigilance and defense against the very type of subtle erosion of our rights that Mr. Zumbo is guilty of advancing.
As a longtime owner and user of Remington products I am proud of Remington's leadership in the defense of our First Freedom, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. I will be making an extra purchase of Remington products this week as a direct result of your commitment to our rights.
Keep up the good work.
Sincerely,
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My Friend Mr. Nugent invited me to comment on this situation

I was asked to comment on the current situation in a public forum Ted is hosting and below is the letter I wrote to Jim Zumbo about his misguided blog, the fallout and the future. I know several people are following the saga here too so I thought I would share my post here as well.

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Mr. Zumbo,

WOW! I don’t even know where to start.

When I read your original BLOG entry I hoped it was some kind of twisted joke and to say I was disappointed when I found out it was not, would be a monumental understatement.

Ted said he wants everyone to be candid and honest and that is exactly what I intend to do here and now. You sir, may have cost us a big chunk of our Freedom, given the timing and caliber of your comments. You see, LD1022 is on the table proposing the ban the very firearms you just vilified and you just gave the Sarah Brady’s and Josh Sugarmann’s of the world more ammunition than they could have ever hoped for.

Let me explain. We have been embattled a fight to retain the never-ending erosion of our Second Amendment rights for several years. We are constantly having them chipped away and have to fight tooth and nail everyday to retain what we have. All of the last decade and a few years prior, we have been under a heavy attack from the Anti-American Hate Groups in their incorrect labeling any firearm resembling a military firearm as an “Assault Weapon.” The folks at the Violence Policy Center discovered years ago that there was a lot of confusion with the non-gun-owning general public between machine guns and their semi-automatic counterparts. They decided to capitalize on this by intentionally mislabeling these common semi-automatic firearms as “Assault Weapons” and vilify them in the press. As you know (or damn well should know as a “professional” gun writer) these firearms vilified as “Assault Weapons” are no different than any 100-year-old semi-automatic hunting rifle except they “LOOK LIKE” machine guns and they are usually ballisticly inferior due to their typically smaller chamberings.

The ignorance of the non-gun-owning general public when it comes to firearm specifics, combined with the distorted and bastardized educational system in relation to the true meanings of the Second Amendment, has created countless problems for law abiding Americans. Things went far enough out of control so that in 1994 an entire list of common, lawfully owned semi-automatic firearms were banned from future manufacture for civilian ownership. All this was based on cosmetic features and was built on the fear of the non-gun-owning general public. After 10 long years, our community finally educated enough people to guide Congress in the correct direction and to allow this draconian law to sunset. As you well know, the Democrats are in charge now and already pushing for a repeat performance.

Educating the general public is a difficult task because unreasonable firearms statistics (gun lies) to the non-gun-owning faction of society may sound reasonable to them. This is what the Anti-Gun, Anti-American Hate Groups thrive on. Most gun owners know the lies from the start, but unfortunately it is not just gun people who create the rules and oversee the Congress.

This is where your comments have created so much trouble for the law abiding gun owners recently. Mr. Zumbo, to put it bluntly, you should know better. Being a firearms owner and shooter for so many years I find it incredibly difficult to believe that you had some kind of misunderstanding about the function of mislabeled “assault weapons.” To claim that these military “look-alikes” are somehow dangerous or threatening, and to actually call them “Terrorist Weapons” was irresponsible at best. You just handed Sarah Brady the loaded magazine that will be used to kick-off the next round of the never-ending quest to ban private ownership of ALL firearms, your precious hunting rifles included. You see, when someone like Josh Sugarmann lies about certain firearms having some kind of magic, deadly characteristics over “traditional sporting guns” it is a little easier to counter than when someone who has been involved in the gun community for a half-century and is supposed to be an expert makes the same ridiculous claim. If you have any doubt about this just “Google” your name and you will see that Sarah Brady is already using it for her propaganda machine. Your elitist view of these firearms which you obviously had no personal use for, or interest in, is what allowed this to happen.

Where do we go from here? That is currently beyond my control. Ted is a friend of mine ([i]and you are very fortunate to have him as a friend at this point as well[/i]) and he tells me that you were uneducated about these guns. He tells me now that you have indicated to him that you have come around and really understand that there is no such thing as a good gun and a bad gun. He seems fairly confident that you know the extent you screwed up on this, and that your sorrow and desire to make things right is overwhelming. In my meager opinion, in order for a lot of the people in the shooting community to also come to this understanding, it is going to take lots of the right words and actions on your part, and your part alone. No one will be able to hold your hand through this one.

In order to start this “healing process” if that is even possible right now, your incorrect words from your Blog are going to have to be publicly disavowed as complete and udder foolishness. There is no way that you can believe what you originally said, coming from the background in firearms you have been exposed to. If you had (or have) an elitist attitude about firearms with military style cosmetic features because someone like yourself uses nothing but expensive custom-made firearms, that is known in my circle as “The Elmer Fudd Syndrome” and would make a hell of a lot more sense than you actually believing what you said in the first place. Those of us who are interested in “Black Rifles” are used to being looked down upon and we deal with “Elmer Fudds” who look down their noses at us all the time. We can deal with that. We just laugh back later on, but we never, I repeat NEVER act in a manner that would jeopardize ANY legal firearms ownership, even if those particular guns are not a personal interest of ours.

The “Elmer Fudds” never really figure it out but we fight for their firearms all the time too. It is our particular segment of the gun community, the ones on the front lines of the attack, who have to fight the hardest. We are always testifying to a legislative committee about something preposterous. We are always writing to our congress people about firearms issues we find pressing and important. We are always fighting to retrieve the rights we have personally had eroded. We are continuously hosting legislative shooting events to educate politicians about firearms so when they hear ridiculous claims from the anti-gunners they will be able to distinguish the truth before placing their vote. All this time the “Elmer Fudds” laugh at us as they are home in their easy chairs polishing their diamond grade 101’s that have never been under legislative attack. And they never will be because those of us on the front line of the legislative issues won’t let it happen.

Personally, to me, a more realistic apology would be like this; [b][i]“Sorry I was an Elmer Fudd and created so many new problems for everyone. I have never been interested in these particular guns and I was talking about something I knew nothing about. In my little world of sport hunting I was so caught up in my own discipline that I never took time to look into yours. Thanks for all the hard work your aspect of the gun community has done for the gun community as a whole, and understanding all of this now, you can count on me to be there in the future. It is time for all of us as gun owners to fight together and not put the whole load on your “Black Rifle” guys. I understand the Second Amendment isn’t about hunting, and you can rest well knowing that I will never miss an opportunity to educate others. By the way, those guns look pretty fun, mind if I try that one over there?…………….”[/i][/b]

And knowing the truth now when Sarah Brady says [b][i]“Hey Jim, these are your own words”[/i][/b] while she is trying to ban the next assault weapon dujour, you can look her squarely in the eye and say [b][i]“I know Sarah, but at that point I was just as ignorant about them as you are now.”[/i][/b]

I hope things work out with a minimal amount of fallout. It will be your words and actions Mr. Zumbo that will determine that.

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Great Letter!

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That's a colorful and well laid-out poster. But I thought in this age of non-illumined illumination and reverse-engineered history, sociology & the banning of trans fats that pigs had wings and therefore would not need parachutes.

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Hey Biggie,
Send him a copy of Assault Rifles For Dummies, but before you do, change Ethan's picture for Schumer's.

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Growing up, for most of my life, my father worked for Outdoor Life magazine. He retired from there as OL's Editor in Chief.

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Tom C
I realize he does.My point was how may his poor use of terminology
should not maybe be ignored at the cost of original thought.

But it is of no use because there is no open ground here discussion
of this topic or anything else relasted to issue.
Sorry I posted this one!

The next tinme I see Brit. Spears I will say to myself, some derogatory term!
Same with Anna N. ............
Hezbollah demonstrators with AK's , just like god fearing , second amendment loving
citizens of Maine! Image means nothing!

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Great letter BigShooter! Thanks, and I sincerely hope that Zumbo thanks you as well.

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Maybe Zumbo and Weinstein will let us have terrorist weapons if we take a course?

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As some have dropped Jim Zumbo, maybe the GOA should drop Jeff Weinstein, or maybe we should drop GOA until this thing with Jeff is clarified. I am very uncomfortable with the MGOA president pushing for restrictive gun legislation and not knowing where the GOA stands on Jeff's anti-gun bill.
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I just came across this apology post from Zumbo on the Ted Nugent board:

[url]http://nugeboard.tednugent.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/286904.html[/url]

It started a VERY long thread.

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We live in a strange age, when the Circuit Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit is more in tune with the true meaning and purpose of the Second Amendment than a writer for Outdoor Life.

On second thought, it shouldn't surprise us. Zumbo lives in the leafy equivalent of an ivory tower. He isn't faced, on a daily basis, with the consequences of wrongheaded public policy that would have seemed excessive in King George's day. The Justices of the DC Circuit see it all the time.

"The Second Amendment isn't a life or death issue. It is much more important than that."

PS: A great quote from Nugent's crowd:

"Shooting a DEER is fun and games. The Second Amendment is about protecting our grandchildren's ability to shoot the next HITLER when he comes to take them to a death camp."

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TJC

Excellent selection of quotations.

Here's another from over there:

"[C]ommon sense is to liberals what kryptonite is to superman."

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Just remember these two VERY important things, and you'll be well on your way down the correct path for preserving the Second Amendment and understanding firearms:

Jim Zumbo: [color=red][size=18]NO![/size][/color]

Jeff Zimba: [b][color=green][size=18]YES![/size][/color][/b]

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The Second Amendment is not about hunting and fishing.
The Second Amendment is about human rights.

There are some neocons who go fly fishing on the Au Sable River or skeet shooting at the club who want to preserve those activities with a minimum of interference by government. They live in safe gated communities or in neighborhoods with people just like them. They have minimum contact with real people. They fail to understand that the Second Amendment applies to all citizens and to firearms in addition to those over and under shotguns used for skeet and trap. People who own and use those arms very likely take their kids fishing with a spinner and worm. That further outrages the elitists. In fact legislators stand in the hall and say that "ice fishermen have no class". Ice fishing has recently been compared by a legislator to "hunting ducks by looking up a chimney". Some "sportsmen" court favor with the elitists by abandoning their friends, our traditions and our Constitution. Those who would deny Americans their rights are working to peel away so called sportsmen from their traditions and principles and welcome them into the elitists club. It is a classic tactic in counterinsurgency and used in the Delphi process to mold people into a false norm.

If you are well grounded in your history and principles you will not be moved by these people. Zumbo was not so grounded.

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Folks are saying "Don't come across as extremist" and "Be reasonable"

Those are the people that LOST THE 2006 ELECTIONS.

Stick to your guns and don't back down.

When guys like Zumbo are talking about compromise - shun them like poison.

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There's compromise & there's reality.

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pmh-NOt on this issue!

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Did any of you see the article in the MST Insight portion by a Angus Phillips who is the outdoor writer for the Washington Post? It was intitled "Ready, Aim, Fired" and was basically anti-NRA and pro AHSA.rant about Jum Zumbo being outed and fired by Outdoor Life and others including the NRA. It seems that Angus Phillips was removed from a hunting club in Maryland for not being an NRA member as the club had recently changed it rules to be. Poor baby! Guess it was get even time!

I tried to find an electronic copy of his rant but it was no where to be found. It was pretty nasty and he too felt that Zumbo was unfairly critized and said he was not aware of the numbers of AW's out there and had never seen them in use. I guess he too leads a very sheltered life as an outdoor writer and apparently lives in the same ivory tower that Zumbo lived in. What arrogance and ignorance! I did manage write the Post and tell them the same however.

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[quote="pmh"]There's compromise & there's reality.[/quote]

And the reality is the compromisers lost the 2006 elections.

Look, Baldacci and that crowd didn't compromise on TABOR - he just flat-out lied about having a "better plan". And the rats didn't compromise on their issues - they just lied about suddenly believing in God and supporting traditional American values.

You don’t compromise with that.

And any conservative who spends too much time worrying about how the MSM is going to portray him is playing a sucker's game. Reagan was universally despised by the MSM - they spent 8 years portraying him as a senile dim-witted maniacal war-monger - and the guy was probably the most popular president since George Washington or something.

Look, if you want what you got, then keep doing what you’re doing.

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If someone said "we're going to pass a law that allows 2,000 random people to be murdered" would everyone try to compromise on 500, or 1,000 or 1,500? Would we celebrate a victory if we got the number of randomly murdered people to under 500? Make no mistake, the result of gun control is to make us less safe, to get more of our people murdered. If you don't believe that, go check out England. If consenting to a higher murder rate is what's required to appear "reasonable", then count me out.

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I thought that Zumbo's apology seemed sincere. He admitted that he was ignorant on the issue and that he had screwed up. The guy spent a lifetime promoting hunting. I think he deserves a chance to make amends for what he did.

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He can continue to promote hunting all he wants. It is attack on human rights that has made him a pariah. People with poor human rights records are unpopular. I think most can agree on that.

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[quote]There's compromise & there's reality.[/quote]

In a compromise BOTH sides give up something they cherish. It is not for the grabbers to demand all our guns and only settle for half...

I like compromise...how about trading something for nationwide must issue and reciprocity?

I somehow doubt the grabbers would compromise in any way to allow any of our proposals into law.

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[quote="pmh"]There's compromise & there's reality.[/quote]

Bruce Libby replied " PMH- NOt on this issue" After reading the posts I suspect that Mr. Libby is making a sarcastic comment, but as Rush Limbaugh often says "He nailed it" And for you wondering, yes I am a ditto head, and I do think for myself and don't blindly agree with all he says.

The time for compromise is long past. When we try and compromise with the gun grabbers we gain nothing. This is not compromising, it is surrendering.

It is apparent from Nuge's blog that Mr. Zumbo now realizes just how big a mistake he made and what the consequences are. I am sure that if he could retract what he wrote he would. But a statement, like a bullet, cannot be called back after it is unleashed on the world. I do not believe that we should never forgive Mr. Zumbo but the reality is that will take time. Right now he has become a poster boy for Brady and the other gun grabbers.

What I am seeing happening on the blogs is just what the gun grabbers want. Us to argue among ourselves and split along the lines of the type of shooting that we do. We cannot afford to fracture along those lines, we need to support all legal types of firearm use and we cannot afford to compromise someone elses type of shooting to try and make sure our interests are left alone by the Grabbers. This has been shown to be the quickest way to loss of all shooting opportunities and some of us are slow to learn from history.

Our most pressing issue should be to convince as many people as we can that our positions are right. The harshest reality is that without the second amendment the first amendment isn't worth the paper it is written on. Too much of our ancestors blood has been shed in trying to make sure the principles embodied in our Constitution and Bill of Rights survive for us to dissolve into petty squabbling amongst ourselves.

I for one sure would have liked to have seen what Jeff Cooper would have had to say about these events. I bet it would be memorable.

to borrow a quote from I don't know whom. "That is my opinion, you are welcome to yours."

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rnelson

Well said

There is no compromise on god-given rights, whether it be the 1st amendment, the 2nd or any of the other amendments.

I'm not about to give up my rights to own what I have, to carry in other states etc.

No good will come from it other then the benefit of a few, for the short term, then they will turn the screw on us.

Government is an evil compromise, it only cares about itself, we have to live with it, but we should never let it get any more control over us then it already has now.

At present it is omnipotent, examine the choices that are presented to us in the 2008 election.

I won't even discuss the democratic side because we know where Clinton lies and Obama is not far behind, but consider the choices that the R side offers, McCain who not only thinks that any private transfer of firearms requires federal approval but subjects the 1st to standard of free speech to HIS and Feingold standards, and Guilliani who thinks that any tranfer of firearms should be subject to NY city standards. Meaning unless you pay his political machine you go disarmed, subject to bureaucratic licensing. Such a choice.

Never compromise with these centrists bastards, to do so is total folly.

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rnelson- I was probably being sacastic,however,
I never got to "compromise",nor would I suggest it,
for to do that one would if they chose to , have to
"understand" the issue at hand,i.e. Mr. Z's statement!

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Bruce,

When I said there's compromise & there's reality, I meant one can make either choice, certainly NOT that one can travel both roads.

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