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Re: PETER CIANCHETTE: A BEACON OF HOPE IN A ‘SEA OF UNCERTIN

Well Brent, 4 years ago your same Beacon flickered and was darkened by a well run Baldacci camp.You are 4 years older but are you 4 years wiser?

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I think the "sea of uncertainty" message is foolish. Maine's course appears very certain to me. "Uncertainty" makes it sound like there is a question of where this state is headed.

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Brent, your post didn't answer either of my questions.1) How is Cianchette better equipped now than he was the last time years ago?2) How is the state of Maine in any uncertainty when I would argue that the state is on a more certain path than it has ever been on? (a high-tax, job losing, exodus of young adults path)I am waiting for your message to be formulated![ 07-28-2005: Message edited by: thefletch ]

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quote:Originally posted by Brent Bowen:
[b]Sorry I took so long to respond. I don't live on AMG, and I don't live for debate like some...I believe I did answer your first question. Peter has a much larger base to build off of. After the 04 elections, the Republican Party has a massive voter vault. That means that thousands more people are receiving email updates about the state's issues. Thousands more people are now writing letters to the editors holding our government accountable. And thousands more people are paying attention while our state is spending beyond our means. As I stated before, the People's veto campaign was extremely successful in forcing the Governor to start a Part II Budget.2. What I meant by uncertainty is the fact that Young people don't know what the status of our state's economy will be in a few years. If the Governor's trend of taxation and spending continues, then you are correct, we will slump into an even worse recession. However, if the people react, and pass legislation (such as TABOR) to control their government, our economic status could go in a completely different direction.
So you see, There is a bit of optimism in my claim of uncertainty, because we could see the passage of referrendums such as TABOR in november.[/b]

You don't live for debate and you are the head of your Teenage Republican Club? Yikes.I do appreciate your answers. Let me re-word my Peter question. How is Cianchette a better candidate now than he was years ago. There may be more people that will vote, etc. but how is Peter himself different now than years ago.Wouldn't you agree Brent that a different face could be a better strategy?

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quote:Originally posted by thefletch:
[b]Brent, your post didn't answer either of my questions.1) How is Cianchette better equipped now than he was the last time years ago?2) How is the state of Maine in any uncertainty when I would argue that the state is on a more certain path than it has ever been on? (a high-tax, job losing, exodus of young adults path)I am waiting for your message to be formulated![ 07-28-2005: Message edited by: thefletch ][/b]

Fletch,Peter has nothing to prove. He ran a race and lost. The next morning he woke up and started his life back in the private sector. It is hard to criticize the ideas he had four years ago, because the world we live in is that of Governor Baldacci's ideas of four years ago. Unions are loosing members and jobs at light speed and social services is such a disaster even socialist liberals are howling mad a Governor Baldacci.Right now I would rather ask McKernnan to come back for a third term before I could ever imagine a Baldacci second term. Like any of us Peter seems to have naturally gained four more years of experience. I say give the man a chance, could it possibly get any worse?Peter should start a Contract for Maine and encourage all Republicans in the state no matter what their party standing endorse the Contract for 2006. The worst part for Governor Baldacci might just lie a head.If the fall election results in Mainer's once again repealing the Gay Rights Bill, our Governor will be forced not to run by his own party. His failed budget scam, lack of respect for the refferendum process and whining lack of interest in Maine's BRAC issues have really hurt the man. Adding a public defeat on the Gay Rights bill will just be one more catastrophie in a long line of successes.Fletch if you think Peter is a retread who's ideas have passed, so be it. I am still willing to listen to what the man has to say. I might not agree with him on some key issues, but I have to seriously consider anyone that is considering running. Hell, I guess Baldacci is so bad I would even consider Enough a viable candidate if that were my only other choce.Give em Hell Peter.Tony[ 07-28-2005: Message edited by: Tony Bessey ]

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quote:Originally posted by thefletch:
[b]You don't live for debate and you are the head of your Teenage Republican Club? Yikes.[/b]

YOu gotta hand it to the kid, Fletch. He is holding his own with you and you are the adult in the situation. You are doing great Brent.Tony

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quote:Originally posted by thefletch:
[b]Well Brent, 4 years ago your same Beacon flickered and was darkened by a well run Baldacci camp.You are 4 years older but are you 4 years wiser?[/b]

We are 4 years poorer and we now have a real record of disaster that can be blamed on the Governor.Peter's job is to remind everyone of what Baldacci promised and compare it to what he delivered.

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quote:Originally posted by Tony Bessey:
[b]YOu gotta hand it to the kid, Fletch. He is holding his own with you and you are the adult in the situation. You are doing great Brent.Tony[/b]

I do hand it to him, it is a lot of work on his end. I think it is mostly fruitless, but the effort is there.Brent, what did you think of Cianchette's last campaign when he ran against Baldacci? Even though you were only THIRTEEN YEARS OLD, please provide any recollections you may have.

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Peter needs to sell Peters vision, not the republican party's vision. I am a little concerned that this will become a party versus party race. Peter still needs to win the primary.

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quote: Peter still needs to win the primary.

There won't be a meaningful primary. The field has already been cleared for Cianchette. Any primary challenge would be a token gesture.

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And that is unfortunate. I think Peter, or whoever emerged as the nominee, would be a stronger candidate after a primary.

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I don't know why thefletch is saying that a 17 year old's efforts would be fruitless...even if that individual can't vote but manages to turn out multiple voters to vote for his candidate...that would still be pretty 'powerful'. TARs really add manpower to the ground game.

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quote:Originally posted by George:
[b]And that is unfortunate. I think Peter, or whoever emerged as the nominee, would be a stronger candidate after a primary.[/b]

I think the MEGOP did a poor job of encouraging people to run. The more people who run, more idea's resonate. The more competitive a primary is, the greater the media coverage. Seriously, how many times do we need to hear Ray interview Peter on WLOB? We need to be about new ideas, new approaches, and not recycle candidates because they are part of the good old boy network. Peter is a good candidate, but competition is always good, it keeps us true and sharp. As Republicans we need to do a much better job of including people in the process, not discouraging people to protect the 'gang'.[ 07-29-2005: Message edited by: Peter ]

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quote:Originally posted by Peter:
[b]I think the MEGOP did a poor job of encouraging people to run. [/b]

From what I have heard, the Maine GOP actively discouraged others from running once Peter decided to get into the race.

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quote:Originally posted by George:
[b]From what I have heard, the Maine GOP actively discouraged others from running once Peter decided to get into the race.[/b]

Does anyone think that this is an effective strategy to increase GOP awareness, ideas, and membership?

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quote:Originally posted by thefletch:
[b]I think the "sea of uncertainty" message is foolish. Maine's course appears very certain to me. "Uncertainty" makes it sound like there is a question of where this state is headed.[/b]

You're right, There's no question that this state is headed for the dump if we don't straighten out.

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Unlike others Peter has earned the right to run for Governor. He needs to develop a bit more charisma. He was lackluster in the last go around and didn't separate himself enough from Baldacci. Even Mr. Bowen's cheerleading will not help him in the long run.

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quote:Originally posted by rightwingwoman:
[b]I don't know why thefletch is saying that a 17 year old's efforts would be fruitless...even if that individual can't vote but manages to turn out multiple voters to vote for his candidate...that would still be pretty 'powerful'. TARs really add manpower to the ground game.[/b]

If I had a little 17 year old knocking on my door and calling me, regurgitating Cianchette's press release without being able to elaborate, explaining to me that he first gained an appreciation for the candidate when he was THIRTEEN YEARS OLD, in between popping zits and begging for his allowance, I would certainly think these efforts are not only fruitless, but could have a negative effect if I were undecided.

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quote:Originally posted by thefletch:
[b]If I had a little 17 year old knocking on my door and calling me, regurgitating Cianchette's press release without being able to elaborate, explaining to me that he first gained an appreciation for the candidate when he was THIRTEEN YEARS OLD, in between popping zits and begging for his allowance, I would certainly think these efforts are not only fruitless, but could have a negative effect if I were undecided.[/b]

Fletch,
What's the deal here? Was George too tough for you? From the looks of things a 17 year old kid's too much for you too. Maybe you should start small and work your way up. Any daycares near where you live?Brent,
Illegitimi non carborundum. Allow me to point out that the A-hole's never been on the Endangered Species List.

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I'll follow up from Mikes post above.Yeah Fletch, it would be really productive if all of us went around discouraging Maines youth from taking active roles and interest in the politics of this State. Brent has more at risk here than most of the rest of us, him and his generation are the ones that will be handed the results of this mess.
Give the kid a break, he knows more about what is happening in this State than 95% of the adult citizens do, and expresses it well.

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quote:Originally posted by Brent Bowen:
[b]FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Brent Bowen
DATE: July 28, 2005 (207)-462-9161PETER CIANCHETTE: A BEACON OF HOPE IN A ‘SEA OF UNCERTINITY’LEWISTON: The Lewiston High School Teenage Republicans commented today about Peter Cianchette’s announcement of his candidacy for Governor:“This is a day of optimism for Maine’s youth, as we learn about Peter Cianchette’s candidacy. We are confident that as Governor, Mr. Cianchette would address the important issues that John Baldacci has continually neglected during his term as governor. We firmly believe that Peter Cianchette will be the man to put Maine back on the track toward economic prosperity.”“We all hoped that John Baldacci would deliver on the promises that he made to the people of Maine; including reducing Maine’s tax burden, addressing rapidly rising healthcare costs, and keeping Maine’s youth in our state. Instead, we got more taxes loaded on, a disappointing Dirigo health program, and increased numbers of young people leaving our state. It’s time for new leadership, and we believe that Peter Cianchette is the man that will lead Maine out of this ‘Sea of Uncertainty’,” concluded Chairman Brent Bowen.[/b]

Keenan and Mike,Sorry if you don't agree with me. How effective is it to hear a 17 year old, who was 13 when Peter previously ran chime in with their opinions on the matter? Don't get me wrong, I think it is admirable that they wish to get involved in politics, but leave the analysis to the adults.I don't want little kids bothering me with their messages, most of which they don't understand, most of them still brainwashed by their parents' beliefs. Let them go out on their own, do something, maybe go to college, and I will listen then when they have a more global perspective.Needless to say I am not afraid of George except when he threatens me, and I certainly am not afraid of going toe to toe with a 17 year old about the future of this state. I wonder if he has ever paid taxes yet????

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Uh, Fletch you can vote at 18 do you suppose 17 year olds ever talk to 18 year olds and how many 17 year olds will be 18 in 2006. He isn't neccessarily trying to convince you of anything but he is probably 1000 times more prepared to convince people his age than you are. If your attitude was different maybe you could have gotten a few to vote for you at one point.Choose your targets better.Ever wonder why our youth leans so heavily to the left? Go look in a mirror, you dismiss him out of hand and insult him, yeah Fletch that's real productive. I don't think Peter is the answer but he might very well be the only choice so let Brent start his Marketing now maybe he can get some of these 17 going to be 18 year olds to "get it" come '06.

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That's the trouble with all of us conservatives in Maine,we often forget what it was like to be young and to have hope for the future.

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quote:Originally posted by Keenan:
[b]Uh, Fletch you can vote at 18 do you suppose 17 year olds ever talk to 18 year olds and how many 17 year olds will be 18 in 2006. He isn't neccessarily trying to convince you of anything but he is probably 1000 times more prepared to convince people his age than you are. If your attitude was different maybe you could have gotten a few to vote for you at one point.Choose your targets better.Ever wonder why our youth leans so heavily to the left? Go look in a mirror, you dismiss him out of hand and insult him, yeah Fletch that's real productive. I don't think Peter is the answer but he might very well be the only choice so let Brent start his Marketing now maybe he can get some of these 17 going to be 18 year olds to "get it" come '06.[/b]

Keenan, nice low blow about people voting for me.I will choose my targets better from now on and now my target is you. Have you ever run for office? If so what was it?What new information did teenboy bring to the table about Peter that was not in his press release? At that age Keenan they do not have enough experience with anything other than regurgitation of press releases.You can stick with the savvy of a 17 year old Marketing teen while my approach would be to focus on adults with an adult message.[ 07-30-2005: Message edited by: thefletch ]

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quote:Originally posted by Keenan:
[b]That's the trouble with all of us conservatives in Maine,we often forget what it was like to be young and to have hope for the future.[/b]

Keenan, you are talking out of your ass. If you don't have hope for the future that is your own fault. Somehow now Keenan seems to speak for the conservative masses. What a joke.

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quote:Originally posted by thefletch:
[b]Keenan, you are talking out of your ass. If you don't have hope for the future that is your own fault. Somehow now Keenan seems to speak for the conservative masses. What a joke.[/b]

No you are talking out of your ass the left goes out of their way to claim that what they are doing is for "the children". While doing that they convince these kids that their policies are the policies they should believe in as well.The public schools also go out of their way to indoctrinate these kids as well.I don't know how many there are but the number of 18 to 20 year olds that vote probably add up to a significant amount of voters and very few of them vote Republican. Ever wonder why?I have hope for the future but it is a much different thing when you are 18 than it is after half of a lifetime watching my State get flushed down the toilet. Glad you think it's a joke though.

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