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Re: PETER CIANCHETTE: A BEACON OF HOPE IN A ‘SEA OF UNCERTIN

quote:Originally posted by Keenan:
[b]No you are talking out of your ass the left goes out of their way to claim that what they are doing is for "the children". While doing that they convince these kids that their policies are the policies they should believe in as well.The public schools also go out of their way to indoctrinate these kids as well.I don't know how many there are but the number of 18 to 20 year olds that vote probably add up to a significant amount of voters and very few of them vote Republican. Ever wonder why?I have hope for the future but it is a much different thing when you are 18 than it is after half of a lifetime watching my State get flushed down the toilet. Glad you think it's a joke though.[/b]

I don't think that is a joke. The only joke is that you don't understand that gathering 15-17 year olds and talking politics with them is worth zero when it comes to election day.

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quote:Originally posted by Brent Bowen:
[b]FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Brent Bowen
DATE: July 28, 2005 (207)-462-9161PETER CIANCHETTE: A BEACON OF HOPE IN A ‘SEA OF UNCERTINITY’LEWISTON: The Lewiston High School Teenage Republicans commented today about Peter Cianchette’s announcement of his candidacy for Governor:“This is a day of optimism for Maine’s youth, as we learn about Peter Cianchette’s candidacy. We are confident that as Governor, Mr. Cianchette would address the important issues that John Baldacci has continually neglected during his term as governor. We firmly believe that Peter Cianchette will be the man to put Maine back on the track toward economic prosperity.”“We all hoped that John Baldacci would deliver on the promises that he made to the people of Maine; including reducing Maine’s tax burden, addressing rapidly rising healthcare costs, and keeping Maine’s youth in our state. Instead, we got more taxes loaded on, a disappointing Dirigo health program, and increased numbers of young people leaving our state. It’s time for new leadership, and we believe that Peter Cianchette is the man that will lead Maine out of this ‘Sea of Uncertainty’,” concluded Chairman Brent Bowen.[/b]

Brent,How can you throw your support behind Cianchette so early when you don't know who the complete field will be? You don't know if any Independents will step forward, you don't know if other Republicans will step forward. Your backing Cianchette could end up being like Gore backing Dean.

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quote:Originally posted by George:
[b]And that is unfortunate. I think Peter, or whoever emerged as the nominee, would be a stronger candidate after a primary.[/b]

Gotta disagree.
Any chance to beat Baldacci needs a united front for one candidate, not scattered support for various and sundry that highlight the perceived or real weaknesses of the final choice.
After this bond debacle, a show of unity with a strong, logical and understandable message(one that at least tries to allay the fears of left leaning moderates and independents)is called for. Peter C. has some vision, name recognition and a good media presence.
[img]http://www.draftpeter.com/splash-img.jpg[/img]Maybe it's just me, but business as usual will likely get Baldi re-elected.
Hey, you R's can lie a little and not deliver, TOO ya know...
Seriously, early agreement will forge a more powerful campaign, IMO.

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I just hope that the Republican candidate understands that Baldacci will show up at every school, every bean supper, every retirement home, he will be everywhere when his campaign is started. This is where he is very very strong and will be tough to beat.[img]http://www.roushracing.com/ricky_craven/images/Snowmobile%20Ride%2005.jp...

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quote:Originally posted by thefletch:
[b]I don't think that is a joke. The only joke is that you don't understand that gathering 15-17 year olds and talking politics with them is worth zero when it comes to election day.[/b]

In a tight race and this probably will be, I would be taking every 18 year olds vote that I could get. Dismissing any demographic group in '06 will be the equivelant of handing the election over to Baldacci.This is the only reason that I can see to all getting behind one candidate early, the campaign could sart immediately. I honestly wish it wasn't Peter but if he is the annointed one, well so be it.I get your point on wondering why Brent would throw his support behind someone so early but just disagree that calling him some no nothing kid is anything even close to productive. Want to make a point with him, make your point, don't talk about popping zits.In one post you are blowing off the 18-20 year old vote and in the next you are saying that Baldy will be everywhere looking for every vote, you can't have it both ways.[ 07-30-2005: Message edited by: Keenan ]

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You are actually right about Baldacci looking everywhere including young adults. The popping zits comment was a little over the line, I was just trying to make a point about being a teen and what is important at that time of your life. I think it is great that Brent is getting involved and learning about the process, etc. What bugs me is a 17 year old trying to talk specifically about a candidate when they have little to base it on.I would rather see teens just focus and learn more about general issues such as lower taxes, personal responsibility, and other general concepts than saying that they support someone for office.

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The only way they will learn anything about the subjects that you listed is from conservatives, and blowing them off isn't teaching them anything except that conservatives don't care about them. The same thing lefties and school systems have been telling them since they got out of diapers.

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quote:Originally posted by Keenan:
[b]The only way they will learn anything about the subjects that you listed is from conservatives, and blowing them off isn't teaching them anything except that conservatives don't care about them. The same thing lefties and school systems have been telling them since they got out of diapers.[/b]

This thread should read "A Beacon in A Sea of Mediocrity"Where is the 1st string?

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quote:Originally posted by Blue Swede:
[b]This thread should read "A Beacon in A Sea of Mediocrity"Where is the 1st string?[/b]

The first string is named Collins and she is arranging the chess pieces.Brent should have entitled it "A fading flame facing the Baldacci political winds in a sea of mediocrity."

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We always have 2010, which I think we should focus on if Cianchette wins the nomination.

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I would, first, like to congratulate Brent for his activism. Many years ago the priorities of God, Country, Family and Business were impregnated in this Mainer's mind. It seems that Brent has done the unusual thing and chosen Country in his top echelon of priorities as well, and done it at an early age, a clear sign of his precociousness. Our fellow Mainers are blessed to have him opine on this excellent forum.Secondly, Republicans can win at every level of government in Maine [b]if[/b] they would do the work of grass roots organizing. As of today, there are not enough "boots on the ground" doing the job that needs to be done.Such will be the focus of my efforts as the GOP vice chair for Biddeford.Any Republican can target his area and build goodwill toward the GOP by visiting his neighbors, 25 to one side and 25 to the other, once every two months and ask, "What can the GOP do for you?". Building a relationship, putting a friendly, human face on our political party will ensure victories going forward.Come election time, even if they don't like the candidate, they'll vote Republican because you've asked them to and they like you.I like Peter Cianchette. He'd be a great governor of a state who needs what he's selling.When one wants to point the finger of blame for failure, remember, when you point, there are three fingers pointing back at you.Again, thanks Brent for having the courage to step in the ring. You're a credit to your folks, your school and your town.

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quote:Originally posted by JF Staples:
[b]I would, first, like to congratulate Brent for his activism. Many years ago the priorities of God, Country, Family and Business were impregnated in this Mainer's mind. It seems that Brent has done the unusual thing and chosen Country in his top echelon of priorities as well, and done it at an early age, a clear sign of his precociousness. Our fellow Mainers are blessed to have him opine on this excellent forum.
Secondly, Republicans can win at every level of government in Maine [b]if[/b] they would do the work of grass roots organizing. As of today, there are not enough "boots on the ground" doing the job that needs to be done.Such will be the focus of my efforts as the GOP vice chair for Biddeford.Any Republican can target his area and build goodwill toward the GOP by visiting his neighbors, 25 to one side and 25 to the other, once every two months and ask, "What can the GOP do for you?". Building a relationship, putting a friendly, human face on our political party will ensure victories going forward.Come election time, even if they don't like the candidate, they'll vote Republican because you've asked them to and they like you.I like Peter Cianchette. He'd be a great governor of a state who needs what he's selling.When one wants to point the finger of blame for failure, remember, when you point, there are three fingers pointing back at you.Again, thanks Brent for having the courage to step in the ring. You're a credit to your folks, your school and your town.[/b]

Mr. Staples, with all due respect is it appropriate for a you to be commenting on Mr. Cianchette prior to our primary? You are the vice chair of the Biddeford GOP. I respect your right to have an opinion, however it might be more appropriate to say he would be a great Governor if he wins the primary.
We need a debate, we need new ideas, and we need passionate people contributing to the conversation.[ 07-31-2005: Message edited by: Peter ]

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Brent...Your handling these "adults" with dignity, grace and elegance. It really is an overmatch. Keep it up.Bob

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quote:Originally posted by Brent Bowen:
[b]Sure, I was 13 last election. I didn't listen to politics then. But it doesn't take an idiot to sit back and just listen to Peter talk. He's talking about Maine spending within it's means again. He's saying "Baldacci didn't deliver on his promises." Regardless of what his policies were then, does it really matter? What I care about is what he plans on doing for the state if he gets elected this time around. Because it was a whole different ballpark 4 years ago. For example: Baldacci hadn't raised taxes by $1.143 billion.Second: My parent's don't influence my thoughts at all. My dad is a Republican, but he never talks with me about politics. So don't insist that they are somehow brainwashing me. If you want to see brainwashing, go sit in a public school classroom. I know for a fact that many of my TAR friends have parents who are Democrats. You know, teenagers have brains as well, despite what you may think. We can sit back and analyze the issues too.Yes I have paid taxes for over a year now. I'm putting in money that most likely is going to fund more DHHS "disappearing acts", or some other overstretched social program. Fact is, it's my money too. Shouldn't I have a say in how it is spent?[/b]

Brent, All I am saying is most teenagers believe what they believe about politics siimilar to what their parents believe. They haven't had a chance to live outside of home, be totally independent, and develop real beliefs on their own.Do you think your Dad being a Republican is just some random coincidence?As far as paying taxes I can not imagine it is that much and no, you don't have a say until you are an adult and are 18, which is very close for you now.Don't get me wrong Brent, I think your involvement is admirable. I just don't know what it will really accomplish until you are 18. As long as you are having fun and learning, I guess that is all that matters.

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Q - How fast can a Fletchling backpedal?
A - pretty damned fast, when called on his need to belittle those accomplishing something besides carping and complaining. (oh, except for cocktail waitresses, I forgot. They're far enough beneath him, and paid to smile).Brent, people like Fletch sometimes don't grow up. Other peoples' successes make them feel like failures. They just can't take it.Keep up the good work, and I'm glad you and your friends are around. We need you!

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quote:Originally posted by Naran:
[b]Q - How fast can a Fletchling backpedal?
A - pretty damned fast, when called on his need to belittle those accomplishing something besides carping and complaining. (oh, except for cocktail waitresses, I forgot. They're far enough beneath him, and paid to smile).Brent, people like Fletch sometimes don't grow up. Other peoples' successes make them feel like failures. They just can't take it.Keep up the good work, and I'm glad you and your friends are around. We need you![/b]

Alsoran!Brent, Alsoran is an example of what you can accomplish if you stay focused, keep studying, go to college, etc.House in KPort, tennis, yachting, afternoon teas, cocktail parties...., all for you Brent! I have cocktail waitress friends from when I lived in Nevada, I don't think they are beneath me. It is you that somehow always bashes them. Maybe they don't meet your KTown social expectations but I don't have a problem with them. You have a strange view of a group of people that work very hard.

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Bingo, Brent,You have the right to be heard, regardless of your age. Which is, after all, just a number.On a deserted island, give me ten such as Brent, and none such as the Fletchling.Brent would get down to business and catch fish for dinner, and Fletchling would sit on a rock and say "But, you're too young to fish! You don't know how, and besides, you'll only do it the way your father taught you! I can't listen to YOU tell me how to catch fish!"Meanwhile, we'll be scarfing down a fish dinner.
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He has a right to speak, not a right to be heard. Anyone is free to ignore anyone else's speech.

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Dear Mr. Literal: I do most sincerely apologize for using the word "heard" instead of the word "speak." I will forthwith use only the term "speak" at all times. ;)

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quote:Originally posted by Naran:
[b]Bingo, Brent,You have the right to be heard, regardless of your age. Which is, after all, just a number.On a deserted island, give me ten such as Brent, and none such as the Fletchling.Brent would get down to business and catch fish for dinner, and Fletchling would sit on a rock and say "But, you're too young to fish! You don't know how, and besides, you'll only do it the way your father taught you! I can't listen to YOU tell me how to catch fish!"Meanwhile, we'll be scarfing down a fish dinner.
;) [/b]

Alsoran,Now you are totally making no sense. Sounds like you may have more interest in Brent than we know, fantasizing about 10 of him on an island??!!! :eek:

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Once again, the fletch just can't help but turn the subject to sex with minors . . .

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:D

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I once said fletch deserved an award for courage (or maybe for stubborness) by coming at George like a pit bull. No matter how many time George put him down, which was often, he came back for more.But now I'm going to have to retract that award. It's hardly courageous to pick a fight with a 17-year old and it's pretty dumb, too, because Brent is the kind of bright young soon-to-be voter that the Republicans so desperately need.

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quote:Originally posted by George:
[b]Once again, the fletch just can't help but turn the subject to sex with minors . . .[/b]

Hey, I didn't create the idea, it was Alsoran

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quote:Originally posted by mediadog:
[b]I once said fletch deserved an award for courage (or maybe for stubborness) by coming at George like a pit bull. No matter how many time George put him down, which was often, he came back for more.But now I'm going to have to retract that award. It's hardly courageous to pick a fight with a 17-year old and it's pretty dumb, too, because Brent is the kind of bright young soon-to-be voter that the Republicans so desperately need.[/b]

I have always said I like his determination and how excited he is about getting involved. All I was pointing out is that I think it is too young to be talking policy and talking about specific issues. I think at that age just keep it simple and learn the basics without drawing Enron Maine State Logos and accusing Baldacci of fraud.

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The fletch can't help but defend the Governor.

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I think George is right on Fletch having a "little problem". :eek:

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quote:Originally posted by George:
[b]The fletch can't help but defend the Governor.[/b]

I would defend any party if someone is accusing them of fraud while they are just doing what administrations do when they have the big chair and are calling the shots.How is your Overcoming Bigotry 101 class going this summer George? (I couldn't let that teen sex comment go without responding.) I have already told you that I can't print what I believe should be done to sex offenders because it is too harsh for this message board.

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