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Re: PETER CIANCHETTE: A BEACON OF HOPE IN A ‘SEA OF UNCERTIN

quote:Originally posted by Earl Nickerson:
[b]I think George is right on Fletch having a "little problem". :eek: [/b]

No problem here. Basically Earl all of George and my arguments come down to a simple fact. People know who I am and know that I am a quality person incapable of monstrous acts that George fantasizes about. George, on the other hand, hides in the shadows, nobody knows who he is, and takes potshots at different people. It is easy to say whatever you want when you hide in the darkness such as George. My theory is that is why his racist tendencies are coming out, he is truly himself not fearing that anyone knows him.[ 07-31-2005: Message edited by: thefletch ]

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Scratch what I wroteI am just pissed off at politics in general and am letting it come throughI love Brent and am glad to call him my friendDon't stop standing up for what you believe[ 07-31-2005: Message edited by: Ray Richardson ]

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quote:Originally posted by Ray Richardson:
[b]Scratch what I wroteI am just pissed off at politics in general and am letting it come throughI love Brent and am glad to call him my friendDon't stop standing up for what you believe[ 07-31-2005: Message edited by: Ray Richardson ][/b]

Ray, I am pissed off at politics too because to me neither party is accomplishing anything real and this state continues to slide offtrack. Republicans, Democrats, and certain unnamed Independent Governors are all to blame. None of our leaders have been able to look forward 10, 20, 30 years to see that if Maine doesn't drastically change we are going to have big problems.I think we have been let down for 20+ straight years now by a lack of true leadership. Elected officials have done the housekeeping, passing budgets, drafting general legislation, I am talking about being let down that leaders just can not focus on the future in this state.The public companies that have successful long-term plans seem to do much better than the ones just wandering around, wondering how to patch holes and stay in business.

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Re: PETER CIANCHETTE: A BEACON OF HOPE IN A ‘SEA OF UNCERTIN

fletch's employer depends upon lots of contracts with the Baldacci administration so he gets upset when anyone is too tough on the Governor.He then starts lashing out as you can see above.

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I am convinced after this bond vote of the following:The folks in Augusta, save 15 of them, have convinced me that the problem is ... they don't understand that there is a problem.Doing less of the same old thing won't change the outcome ... it only slows down the inevitable

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quote:Originally posted by George:
[b]fletch's employer depends upon lots of contracts with the Baldacci administration so he gets upset when anyone is too tough on the Governor.He then starts lashing out as you can see above.[/b]

Not true. People are saying that he is engaging in fraudulent activities. I don't believe that.George, I am a Republican and hope that Bennett or Collins jump in because they can win and we may be able to get real change. I am bummed about Cianchette being as good as it gets for Republicans because I can look into the future and see the pain of not winning.

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I really don't know what to think now.I think part of the reason I am so upset about this is that I actually started to believe ... no, scratch that, I was one of the trumpet section, that real change could happen.I am so very disappointed and discouraged right now ... Dee Dee says I am discouraged because I do actually believe a difference can be made (what an apparent fool I am) ...........Is there a point to devoting significant personal time volunteering to elect folks who will head us in a different direction, when at the end of it all, we are only slowing down our pace on the same path

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quote:Originally posted by Ray Richardson:
[b]I really don't know what to think now.I think part of the reason I am so upset about this is that I actually started to believe ... no, scratch that, I was one of the trumpet section, that real change could happen.I am so very disappointed and discouraged right now ... Dee Dee says I am discouraged because I do actually believe a difference can be made (what an apparent fool I am) ...........Is there a point to devoting significant personal time volunteering to elect folks who will head us in a different direction, when at the end of it all, we are only slowing down our pace on the same path[/b]

I think the real frustrating thing is that more often than not nothing substantial seems to happen. With the right leaders though real change is possible. Look at what Weld accomplished in Massachusetts.Maine will change when the voters are truly fed up. The question is are they fed up now or does the average person not even really care about anything and feel disconnected?

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thefletch
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quote:Originally posted by Brent Bowen:
[b]Rep. Trahan has provided sufficient evidence for anyone with half a brain to understand that Baldacci has been moving funds around to make things look better. I mean, come on... It’s impossible that if we have a budget shortfall of more than a quarter billion $$$ going into the next biennium that we could even possibly have a $75 million surplus. Even with the rosy picture the Governor tries to paint, our government has hundreds of millions of dollars in the balance amounting to deficit spending, and furthers the ‘smoke and mirrors’ approach to budgeting and bookkeeping that is common in this administration.[/b]

Brent, most of your generation won't stay in Maine so they won't be paying for it.Brent, should Baldacci or any of his people be taken out of Augusta in handcuffs and thrown in jail? Is that what you are saying? Those are pretty strong words and instantly get driven to the fringe if that is what you believe.

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Fletch, why are you coming down on Brent so much? What were you doin' when you were 17? Probably looking at pics of naked women and *******-off.Give him a break.

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quote:Originally posted by Country:
[b]Fletch, why are you coming down on Brent so much? What were you doin' when you were 17? Probably looking at pics of naked women and *******-off.Give him a break.[/b]

You guys are too funny. I am trying to keep this conversation factual and when someone accuses someone of fraudulent activities I am just trying to figure out exactly what they are saying. At 17 I was actually focused on getting into college and that whole scene. I wouldn't pretend though that at 17 I knew the first thing about anything, certainly politics. I do know that as a kid your parents' political choices make a huge impression on your beliefs, especially father/son beliefs. I would be very interested to see a statistical study about this because I bet the numbers would be startling how many sons are the same political party as their fathers are/were.Look, I will certainly leave him alone and not engage in conversation if that is what you wish. This started off by me asking how Cianchette is better off now than he was 4 years ago and why he will be a better candidate? Brent talked about different climate and fraudulent activities. Nobody has answered the question of why he is better now and why it is his time.

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If I think someone is engaging in fraudulent activities I want them prosecuted and sent to jail. Does anyone here think Baldacci should be prosecuted and sent to jail, or any of his people?

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quote:Originally posted by thefletch:
[b]This started off by me asking how Cianchette is better off now than he was 4 years ago and why he will be a better candidate? Brent talked about different climate and fraudulent activities. Nobody has answered the question of why he is better now and why it is his time.[/b]

Fine. Personally, I can't think of any reason why Cianchette is any better than he was the last time. That's up to him to prove. I just got sick of you lighting into Brent because he's young.

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quote:Originally posted by Peter:
[b] I think the MEGOP did a poor job of encouraging people to run.
[ 07-29-2005: Message edited by: Peter ][/b]

Well, I don't know this for a fact, but strongly suspect, that when it comes for Gubenatorial or US Congress seats, the MEGOP does very little, if any "encouraging" of any candidate to run. What I opine probably happens (correct me if I'm wrong and you can prove it) is that they are simply presented with the Candidate of our Senior Senator's choosing, and that's pretty much the end of the "selection" process. I don't think that there is much if any discussion about a "choice" of Candidate or who they (and by default we) will be supporting. And by now any potential primary contenders to the Annointed One should know that should they recklessly give it a go, they will be summarily hung out to twist in the wind by their own party. They would have a better chance of winning the Blaine House if they ran as a Torry or a Whig.

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In 2002 and 2004 there was an effort to recruit house candidates and we got some good ones. I don't have a legislature book in front of me, but I think most of the Republicans voting against the bond bill were freshmen.

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quote:Originally posted by thefletch:
[b]...I don't want little kids bothering me with their messages, most of which they don't understand, most of them still brainwashed by their parents' beliefs. Let them go out on their own, do something, maybe go to college, and I will listen then when they have a more global perspective.
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Geeeze, fletch; arrogance rather becomes you. If you're so intellectually superior to this "little kid", I wonder why it is then, that I find myself respecting him a whole lot more? You can dis and flame me all you want, mate - after over 5 years under the blue lights and being a lifelong idealist of sorts I can take it...
but dumping on an obviously bright and promising young Patriot like Brent who is working hard to advance the cause of saving our State from fiscal and moral catastrophy is waaay out of bounds, IMHO.

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Amen to the Uncle.

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quote:Originally posted by UncleJaque:
[b] Geeeze, fletch; arrogance rather becomes you. If you're so intellectually superior to this "little kid", I wonder why it is then, that I find myself respecting him a whole lot more? You can dis and flame me all you want, mate - after over 5 years under the blue lights and being a lifelong idealist of sorts I can take it...
but dumping on an obviously bright and promising young Patriot like Brent who is working hard to advance the cause of saving our State from fiscal and moral catastrophy is waaay out of bounds, IMHO.[/b]

It isn't about being superior, I never said that. It is more about just having a few life experiences to back things up. I will drop it though, I can see Brent has quite a fan club here!

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quote:Originally posted by Brent Bowen:
[b]He's better now because there are more people behind him. As i've stated, there was nothing wrong with his straight-talking policies then, and there's nothing wrong with them now. [/b]

I've never thought of Cianchette as straight-talking. I think part of his problem in '02 was his emphasis on image over a clear message. I can't really remember a specific proposal or plan he had in that campaign, other than some talk of enterprise zones.

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I thought Peter introduced the idea of TABOR in his 2002 campagin.Steven Scharf
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George would certainly go around to schools and talk to children but 15 to 17 is too old for his tastes :eek:

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quote:Originally posted by George:
[b]I've never thought of Cianchette as straight-talking. I think part of his problem in '02 was his emphasis on image over a clear message. I can't really remember a specific proposal or plan he had in that campaign, other than some talk of enterprise zones.[/b]

As I recall, he had a short booklet available in PDF format that clearly articulated a series of steps necessary to get the state on the right track. It did not reference TABOR, to my recollection, but did have many TABOR-like elements, particularly a constitutional limit on the GROWTH in spending.

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I have the pdf and that was what I was referring to. Just went and reread it.Steven Scharf
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