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[quote="Naran"][quote]Matthews, [u]who was out on bail[/u], "admitted to doing it," Mailhot said. "He thought it was funny; it was going to be a big joke. The police department doesn´t anything like that lightly."[/quote]

Anybody know what charges he was bailed from previously?

Can anyone spell L-O-S-E-R?[/quote]

But didn't you know, its the somalians that are losers, not nice idiotic redneck complete **** ups like this guy. This is your all-American right here. WOOOHOOO YEHAW!

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[quote="Bob Stone"]I think Lewiston is in for some very challenging times.[/quote]

Lewiston went through challenging times for 25 years. Between 1980 and 2000, its population dropped by 5000 people. The only other place to see a similar population drop was Aroostook County with the closing of Loring. Lewiston's failure to deal with its problems led to hundreds of empty apartments that were available cheap. No other place in Maine had a similar situation.

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Pig's head thrown into Lewiston mosque during prayers

Mosque incident suspect arrested

By Lindsay Tice, Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 5,2006

Brent Matthews
LEWISTON - Police on Tuesday arrested a man they say desecrated a local mosque by throwing a pig head into the center during evening prayers.
[img]http://www.sunjournal.com/photos/2006/07/05/20060705090-1.jpg[/img]
Brent Matthews, 33, of Lewiston was arrested at the Lewiston Police Station.

[url=http://www.sunjournal.com/news/city/20060705090.php]GO TO LEWISTON PAGE[/url]

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I can't disagree with you Dan.

I am also very suspect of the recent renewal. Lewiston's bonded indebtedness has increased from $40 million (2000) to [b]$115 million[/b] (2007 year end projected) dollars with the recent decision to borrow another 15 million. I doubt many taxpayers here realize that they are so far, so fast, in debt.

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Re: Not cool.

[quote="J Fred"]Kind of like spray painting Satanic symbols on a Catholic Church.[/quote]

Oh, perfectly legal and even encouraged if all the words are spelled correctly :shock:

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[quote="Dan Billings"][url=http://janus.state.me.us/legis/statutes/17-a/title17-Asec507.html]Here is the law that he was charged under.[/url][/quote]

Sounds like the appropriate charge.

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Usually (wrong)...

You are a card carrying member of the Maine Hate America Club. One demented soul has a melt down and you cast a broad brush across the American spectrum. The Somalis have prayed on Lisbon Street for years and no one notices. And they'll be praying for many years to come, and no one will notice.

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This all started with a man who threw a pigs head into a mosque. No, it wasn't a Somali, or a Bates college student...looks like an adult white male...

What he did was wrong. If members here do not like the welfare system, or the way the assimilation program for Somali's...let's move to change that. However, lumping all Somali's together...saying they are not hardworking, on and on...shows bigotry.

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The Great Somali Welfare Hunt
The Refugee Act of 1980 has turned thousands of Somali Bantu into American dependents. Millions more “refugees” may be eligible for resettlement in your neighborhood.

By Roger D. McGrath

The deconstruction of America is well underway. This has been clear to anyone living in California since the 1970s. Back then I remember talking with people who lived out of state about the changes that were being wrought by immigration, both legal and illegal, to California from countries of the Third World. No one could quite believe that the changes were as drastic and far-reaching as I described. Many considered me an alarmist. Those who did not thought that what I described was peculiar to California. The last decade has changed all that. What began in California thirty years ago is now happening everywhere. I would like to say that I take a perverse delight in having reality smack those nonbelievers in the face. I don’t. The America that I love, the America that I joined the Marine Corps to defend, the America of my ancestors, is being destroyed.

The latest community to enjoy the delights of Third World mass immigration is Lewiston, Maine, which, since February 2001, has been the destination for hundreds of Somali Muslims. The first Muslim to arrive in the town actually got there in May 1965, but his stay was brief. He was there to fight Sonny Liston in a rematch. The year before, as Cassius Clay, he took Liston’s crown in a bizarre seven-round battle in Miami that saw the dreaded Liston, a 7-1 favorite, quit while sitting on his stool. “The fix was in,” was the consensus. Between fights Clay converted to Islam and adopted the name Muhammad Ali. He won his second fight with Liston, a 7-5 favorite this time, in an equally bizarre one-round match. Again came the cry, “The fix was in.” Little did the citizens of Lewiston realize that, 36 years later, Muslims would begin arriving in their town again. This time they would stay. Once more the fix seems to be in.

Lewiston, a former mill town of 36,000 on the Androscoggin River, was virtually all white when the federal census was taken in 2000. Blacks, with 383 people, accounted for 1.1% of the population. No other nonwhite group accounted for more than a fraction of a percent. The exact percentage for whites was recorded as 97.3. With the mills shut down and a less than robust economy, it would seem an unlikely place for Somalis to flock to. Nonetheless, upwards of 2,000 have already done so, and more are on the way.

The problem goes back to the Refugee Act of 1980, which amended the Immigration and Nationality Act and changed a traditional American policy of favoring refugees from Communist countries. The act put the United States in line with the United Nations by redefining “refugee” more broadly to include anyone “who is unwilling or unable to return to his country of nationality or habitual residence because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.” Potentially half the world falls under the definition. The Refugee Act also provided for both a regular flow and the emergency admission of refugees as well as federal monies for their resettlement.

In 1999, the United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR) declared the Somali Bantu “refugees,” and the United States agreed to resettle them. The ancestral home of these particular Bantu was Tanzania, but Arab slave traders took them to Somalia during the 18th and 19th centuries. Despite the end of slavery during the 20th century, the transplanted Bantu remained less than equal in Somalia. They were restricted to jobs considered demeaning, excluded from the Somali clan system, and referred to by pejorative names, generally meaning something like “lowly slave.” Most of them lived in the Juba River valley of southern Somalia. When civil war erupted with the overthrow of the dictator Mohammed Siad Barre in 1991, they fell prey to various warlords. Mostly lacking arms themselves, they were dispossessed of their land and property by whatever faction temporarily took power. Eventually, more than 12,000 of the Somali Bantu crossed into Kenya and settled in a UN sponsored refugee camp at Dadaab in eastern Kenya, where more than 100,000 other Somali had also fled.

Logic would suggest that these 12,000 black, African Muslims be resettled in their former homeland, the black, African nation of Tanzania, which is more than a third Muslim and borders Kenya, instead of being transported thousands of miles to the United States. But somehow, the UN commissioners and American officials think the good, old U.S.A. is just right for the Somali Bantu—and other Somali refugees as well.

Most of the early arrivals in the United States settled in Clarkston, next-door to Atlanta, but problems quickly developed with local blacks who, the Somali contend, preyed on them. A few Somali had problems with another form of American diversity. Mohammed Abdi said that he was resettled north of Atlanta in a “war zone” between Vietnamese and Mexican gangs. Moreover, Somalis soon learned that welfare benefits and public housing were more generous and better elsewhere, especially in New England. By February 2001, they had discovered Lewiston, and the influx began. The numbers of those arriving accelerated last summer, exceeding 100 a month. Although it is difficult to get an exact fix on the figures, it seems that more than half of all Somalis in Lewiston are on the dole. Welfare spending has more than doubled since their arrival.

One of the Somalis who has a job is Abdiaziz Ali, a 31-year-old father of five who arrived in Lewiston last year. Ali is a welfare caseworker. He greets new arrivals, puts them on welfare, and finds them housing. He is happy to be in Lewiston, where benefits are substantial, schools good, and crime low. He himself was robbed twice by local blacks in Atlanta.

Mohammed Maye, the president of the African Community and Refugee Center in Clarkston, has a map of Lewiston on the wall of his office. “Go to Maine,” he advises Somalis. He has recently opened a second office in Lewiston. Abdullahi Abdullahi, the president of the Somali Community Development Organization in Clarkston, tells Somalis that, unlike Georgia, Maine has terribly cold winters, but “the welfare system is better.” Better for sure. Lewiston provides welfare to anyone in need, and the state picks up half the tab. Recipients are allowed a generous five years of assistance before benefits are terminated, and, even at that point, extensions are not difficult to obtain. Single parents can stay on welfare and go to college. Public housing is also available, although, because of the influx of Somalis, there is now a waiting list. More than a third of the apartments at Hillview, Lewiston’s largest public housing project, are occupied by Somalis, many of them single mothers with large broods of children. The fathers are unaccounted for or still in Georgia or Africa. Those who are unable to obtain public housing are eligible for Section 8 vouchers, which the federal government provides to subsidize rental of private housing.

Just where all the Somalis will eventually be employed is a mystery. The mills of Lewiston, once upon a time, produced a quarter of all American textiles. Across the Androscoggin River, the factories of Auburn turned out shoes by the thousands. Foreign competition has destroyed those industries. Like many other communities in the United States, Lewiston has tried to re-invent itself and create a service-based economy. Banking, insurance, healthcare, and the like, however, do not provide the blue-collar jobs that have sustained generations of immigrants with few skills and limited English. Perhaps the demise of the old industries is of little consequence to the Somalis. When Renee Bernier, the president of the Lewiston city council, offered to hire 30 Somalis at $8 an hour to hold warning signs at road construction sites, few showed any interest. Those who did wanted to work no more than a half-day, 10 a.m. to 2 p.m.

With the welfare system, public housing, and, to a rapidly increasing degree, the schools creaking under the strain of the Somalis, some in Lewiston have dared to speak out. Recently, mayor Laurier Raymond, in a public letter, asked the Somali leaders to discourage the migration to Lewiston, saying the city was “maxed out financially, physically and emotionally.” He was immediately attacked by the former mayor, Kaileigh Tara, who said she “wanted to cry” when she read Raymond’s letter. Somali leaders said he is “an ill-informed leader who is bent toward bigotry.” The usual terms xenophobe and racist were bandied about. A protest march of some 200 Somalis and their white sympathizers traveled several blocks from a downtown Methodist church to Lewiston’s first mosque, a converted grocery store on Lisbon Street. The U.S. Department of Justice was called upon to conduct an investigation to ensure that the Somalis are not discriminated against. The UN cannot be far behind.

Meanwhile, the 71-year-old Raymond, a former probate judge, has been brought to heel. He met with local Somali leaders at city hall and vowed to co-operate with the Somali community to reduce tensions in Lewiston. After the meeting, the Somalis issued a written statement saying, “Like all families, we have our misunderstandings, but families draw strength from resolving their issues.” Raymond had evidently been operating under the misapprehension that Muslim Somali Bantu were not part of his family.

Raymond’s new family practices female genital mutilation, specifically clitorectomy. Termed “female circumcision” by the culturally sensitive and euphemistically inclined, the barbaric practice is common among African Muslims. Not infrequently the clitoris is cut out without the benefit of anesthesia or surgical instruments. Broken bottles or tin can lids occasionally serve as scalpels. This means that often not only is the clitoris cut out but that portions of the labia are also cut away or severely damaged. According to reports from the refugee camps in Kenya, hundreds of girls are being rushed through the mutilation because U.S.-sponsored cultural orientation classes have informed the refugees that the practice is illegal in the United States. The Somali Bantu usually excise the clitoris when girls reach the age of eight or nine. In recent weeks, girls as young as two have undergone the ordeal.

More than 12,000 Somali Bantu have now been transferred from the Dadaab camp, near the border with Somalia, across 600 miles of Kenya to the Kakuma camp in the northwest. Next stop, the United States. The Somalis do not have to worry about using their credit card air miles—it is all courtesy of Uncle Sam. There are plenty more refugees in Kenya. The UNHCR counts nearly 200,000, most of them Somalis but large numbers of Sudanese as well. The Somali Bantu could be just the beginning.

Those Somali already in Lewiston have found what they call their “dream place.” Nonetheless, they understand that there are other dream places in the United States, and they mean to find them. Following their ancient practice of “sahan,” they send young men out in all directions to find not water and good grazing, as in Somalia, but public housing and generous welfare benefits. The tribe then follows. “They came in droves off the buses,” said Lewiston council president Bernier, and “some made the welfare office their first stop.” The practice of sahan has become more sophisticated in the United States. The Somalis use the Internet to access the websites of states and towns across the nation, checking crime rates, welfare programs, housing, and schools. Employment opportunities are evidently a low priority. This certainly removes the main obstacle for most of us relocating to dream places. Abdiaziz Ali, the welfare caseworker, is not shy about announcing the Somalis’ intentions. “We can spread out—anywhere we want.”

Anywhere, for now, means mostly towns in New England. Holyoke, Massachusetts has been targeted for Somali Bantu settlement by a coalition of religious charities. The coalition has received a million-dollar grant from the federal government to establish the Somalis in the town famous for the first women’s college. Holyoke city councilors, however, say that even with the grant the costs of absorbing the Somalis would be prohibitive. By a 12-2 vote the councilors passed a resolution that stated, “The city does not have the resources to care for, educate, train, house or protect said individuals.” The resolution concluded by firmly proclaiming that the councilors “do not support the decision to place the refugees in our city.” Federal officials say the local townsfolk have no control over the resettlement grant and cannot prevent the Somalis from moving to Holyoke. Local sentiment against the anticipated arrival of the Somalis has been so strong that the charities coalition canceled a public presentation and slide show on the plight of the refugees. I suspect the slide show did not include photos of mutilated genitalia.

Holyoke mayor Michael Sullivan tried to calm the citizens, saying, “Don’t blame the victims. The victims are the city—and the Bantus. Its not fair that Holyoke has to be alone in this, but if nobody’s going to do it, we have to try.” Actually, the federal government does not have to do this to Holyoke or to any town in America. The American people, in poll after poll, have voiced their opposition to our current immigration policies. We are under no obligation to destroy the ethnic, religious, and cultural traditions that have built this country. We are under no obligation to destroy the homogeneity of small towns in America.

With upwards of 130,000 Somalis in Kenyan camps hoping to be resettled in the United States, towns throughout America might soon have the opportunity to enjoy the diversity that a thousand or two African Muslims will bring them. Meanwhile, we send our boys overseas to fight and die, ostensibly to protect the United States. One of those boys who died in Somalia, in our ill-conceived raid on Mogadishu—so brilliantly dramatized in “Black Hawk Down”—was SSgt. Thomas J. Field, Army Ranger and native son of Lisbon, just downriver from Lewiston. Local folk got the state highway that connects Lisbon and Lewiston named in his honor. In Lewiston, the highway becomes Lisbon Street, which now features Lewiston’s first mosque, regularly crowded with Somalis. May God rest your soul brave young man—because somewhere “the fix is in.”

http://www.amconmag.com/2002/2002_11_18/cover4.html

This is a must read on some of the challenges faces the Lewiston/Auburn area.

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[quote="charlotte"] However, lumping all Somali's together...saying they are not hardworking, on and on...shows bigotry.[/quote]

I think a lot of people are confusing Nigerians with Somalis. Nigerians are hard workers, Somalis are lazy leeches.

The truth is an act of revolution that will earn you the bigot title in Charlottes book!

[quote]big·ot ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bgt)
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

[/quote]

Following the definition, you are a bigot Charlotte.

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Robert...your statements are nothing new.

Main Entry: big·ot
Function: noun
Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t
Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

Prejudice:(1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics

Yep, you fit both Robert.

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It was a pig headed move on the perps part.

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If it had been a Christian Church the charge would have been 'alledged cruelty to animals' over the death of the pig.

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[quote]Nigerians are hard workers...[/quote]

If you're including the e-mail scammers, they're the hardest-working folks on the planet. :D

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LOLOL...............Who Cares!!!!!!!!!

Let's all join hands and sing Kumbya now................

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The Somalis did not build Maine's overly generous welfare system and they are by no means the sole beneficiary of that system. The Somalis should be able to live and work and play and pray in exactly the same free manner as everyone else.

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What disgusting behaviour. There is no excuse for vandalism like this.

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I'll remind everyone that more than one million Maine residents did not toss severed pig heads into any Mosques today.

charlotte
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Mark, well said....

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Anyone care to wager how much it will cost the city to build them a new mosque now that this one has been "desecrated"?

By all accounts, the "honest and hardworking" label is a gross exaggeration. I would love to hear tales of how many here on AMG have befriended Somalis, or any other Muslim immigrants and can share firsthand. Have any Somali's joined one of your civic groups? Do they chat it up with you in the check-out line at the supermarket? Has one of the guys left his daarood to join your weekly poker game? See many of them enjoying a Sea Dogs game or inviting your little white child to join them in a friendly soccer match?

Just curious… I have only heard the horror stories of how unpleasant it is to work alongside them at LL Bean's. I have only experienced firsthand how difficult it is to get a friendly smile returned in the checkout line or in the parking lot as they load their groceries into their Lexus SUV. Are they making an effort to assimilate? I am looking for heartwarming success stories of immigrant's having left a war-torn nation to come to America and live the American dream.

Please share if you have any stories. I sincerely wish to be shown how they are not here to take advantage of our Democrat-controlled wanton generosity with a long-term intent to attack America from within. I hope to be proven wrong in my belief that any Muslim that has not yet joined the jihad simply has not been delivered his ultimatum by his Imam to join or die yet.

Regarding the act of vandalism… silly twit. Horrible waste of the other white meat. The act is excusable though, in a Lewiston Liberal sort of way. Hey, poor dumb redneck (to coin a Usually Concerned phrase) probably just got tired of seeing the immigrants coming in and taking all the welfare benefits that his family had been taking advantage of for generations, and to much greater effect. The battle for welfare turf has begun!

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I've met some very nice Somalis. I have also met some dishonest Somalis. I have met some that were hard working and provided very well for their families. I have met some that were less reputable and did not do their community credit. I can say the same thing for white people as well.

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Gee - take a vacation and miss alot!

I gotta agree with Dist (not that I intend to make this a habit mind you) - having lived in Lewiston and still working in the city daily this has been brewing for some time and this guy only did what countless folks have thought of doing.

Outside of the PC loving Bates liberal crowd there is no desire to bend over backwards for this population that has done more taking and demanding then giving to the community. Don't blame it on the welfare system, don't blame it on the culture or the religion. Lewiston is a city of immigrants - from the Irish that dug the canals to the French who worked the mills - folks around here know what being the new kid on the block is and how hard it is to fit in while still keeping your culture intact.

What makes the Somoli invasion hard to take for most folks is that they have NO desire to become part of a larger culture or community - they want the benefits of living in the city without the actual work or committment that goes with it and if you challenge them in any way what so ever then you are a bigot and need to learn to love them. Easy for the PC crowd at Bates and the public schools to say as they sit with the summer off and worry about global warming and how we should all love each other more.

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You can look down the welfare rolls and find many caucasians who fit that bill as well.

Peter
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Very true Henry
Thank You

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To a certain extent, I have to agree with the distributist. I've had no less that 25 of Somalis work for me in the last six months. I have to say with all due respect, that the work ethic leaves a little to be desired. The minute I've given instructions as to how things are done, "GONE". That being said, there are also many "Maine-ahs" that do the same thing. Point is, it has been MY experience in working with them, that they do have little regard for us, and the Somalis I deal with or have dealt with, have no appreciation for what we are doing for them. What really gets to me is the fact that I have to give them breaks so that they can pray, but I can't give the Baptists, Catholics, Protestants etc. the same breaks. The senior management of my company says that we "WILL" welcome them, treat them with respect, and bend over backwards to accommodate them. I have to say it's hard for me especially when I see a certain highway in Lisbon named for a soldier that was dragged through the street by some of them. We seem to forget that. I know there is good and bad in every region, but I believe the scales weigh against America in this case. That doesn't excuse throwing a pigs head.

I hope you are all well,

Red

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We all know the stories of how our ancestors came to this country and were met with attacks and scorn. Here we have an opportunity to welcome new, legal immigrants in better fashion than ours received. The Somali's can certainly do more to get involved in our community. It's important to note that the french canadians didnt simply join existing churches when they came, they openend up new ones. The same is true for all of the large groups of immigrants that settled into any of America's cities. They also set up community groups to help their own members and then they got politically involved and then they began to open up businesses. Its unrealistic to expect them to be significantly involved in Chamber of Commerce or Rotary until we see a Somali owned business community grow up. That has begun but you can count it on one or two hands at this point. Maybe its time for a Somali to run for office in Lewiston.

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Dear Mr. Clay,

Respectfully, you are correct in your assessments, but I think you'll find the French worked very hard and didn't accept the hand-outs that some Somalis seem to expect. Again, respectfully, this is apples to oranges?

Sincerely,
Red

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Red- the handouts didnt exist at the time. When the french canadians needed help, they turned to family and to the church. They could also go back home if need be and many did. The Somalis dont have that option. They are just setting up churches here and family are scattered between several communities around the US and several countries in Africa. The Somalis didnt create the liberal welfare program in Maine and should not be tagged as being any more or less worthy than anyone else receiving the state aid. The state has income guidelines and many, Somali and non-Somali, meet those guidelines. I think it is reprehensible that Baldacci has set record levels for the amount of people receiving those benefits. Clearly it is to help his reelection effort. Job growth has not been as wonderful in Maine as elsewhere or those Somalis would likely be working in a larger degree than they are. The problems of individual Somalis who dont want to work is just that- something to hold against an individual Somali. The problem of them in terms of society are examples of how the liberal attitudes of the state. The Governor has expanded welfare rolls but really has no way to meet the expense of that expansion. The Governor has promised jobs but those promises have yet to be fulfilled. The Governor has assured us that his administration will be there to help but his administration can't even get its own internal computer system to work properly. I am sure that if the Somalis can't find work and are forced into soup kitchens in Lewiston, Baldacci will blame Bush for it.

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If we are going to go down the trail of comparisons of virtue between immigrant groups, and condemn today's immigrants for taking welfare while lauding immigrants of the early 20th century for working...

...at least let us acknowledge that THERE WAS NO WELFARE STATE when the Acadians and the Italians and the Irish immigrated here.

So the question is, had the welfare state been in place from 1860 through 1920, would they have taken benefits?

Clearly, (at least to me) the enemy is welfare, not immigration and not any immigrant group.

Immigration is more truly American than is Welfare.

Let's abolish the damned gov't welfare and then look at immigration anew.

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