Plato, this guy could always come up with a good quote.

Good old boy Plato. He certainly knew his stuff.
Look at what he said one night while visiting a friend's home to the assembled folks there in attendance. Oracle================================================= "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." Plato =================================================

He was not a big fan of democracy either, viewing it as 'mob rule'.charlie

charlie ~ Plato was one up on you. The posted qoute was objective.Blinded by the light? I mean left... :cool:

And what's your point, Paul Mattson? Guess I'm a bit dense.charlie

Read again / no reply necessary C.

Charlien,Plato appears to be in good company on this subject:Alexander Hamilton -It had been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience had proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity.And...We are a Republican Government. Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of Democracy.Samuel Adams - Remember, Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself! There never was a democracy that ‘did not commit suicide.’James Madison -Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.---Our government was based far more on Plato's view than yours.

Is it sinking in now Charlien or do you still need more enlightenment?O

Oracle and MattsonWhy are you slamming Charlien, other then the fact that you have become accustomed to it.Seems to me he is agreeing with you on Plato's wisdom.

Mike, They have to slam Charlien whenever they can get a chance. Remember he was one of the ones who didn't buy the WMD argument for going into Iraq. By now he is supposed to be choking on crow. It probably doesn't set well with some of the AMG crowd that he hasn't even had to look at the crow yet let alone eat it. That makes me wonder where are the lower gas prices that were going to assuage the feelings of those who didn't believe we should go to Iraq?
Karen[ 08-28-2003: Message edited by: Karen Brown ]

Karen, it's not called slamming. If it's called anything - it's more appropiate sobriquet would be "oneupmanship". Charlien is a great guy and I personally have no quarrel with him. He has his beliefs the same as we do, and he never hesitates to tell us what he thinks about the president and the GOP. Which is fine.But, we are on opposite ends of the pole and as you must know, only one person or group can hold that pole straight up. :) Oracle

KarenWell said, if anyone should be eating crow on AMG it's the Iraq Attack people. If we were to take them to task on a daily basis on their foolishness about the whole affair, we would never get anything done.

Thank you Mike G and Karen for your kind words and support. I do try to play the game of life fair and the games on this board the same way.I do NOT play the game of "oneupmanship" though Oracle. I deal in truth and fact as best I can. Truth: Five or so months into this Iraqi invasion and still no WMD.
Fact:Would appear we were lied to by the Bush adminstration.And you Paul Mattson, often you make no sense to me and when questioned, refuse to offer clarification. That's OK by the way, just ends a discussion with you.charlie