Please Clean Ice and Snow Off the Vehicles, Folks!

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Naran
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One of my pet peeves in the winter - how many times have we seen snow and ice covering the back windows on vehicles, with only a tiny hole scraped off? Or none? Or the giant snow bank on top of vehicles, which then slides off the back into the path of following cars?

[b]Ice crashes through windshield, prompts warning[/b]

AUGUSTA "” Police are reminding people to clean snow and ice off their vehicles in stormy weather after a sheet of ice flew off a pickup truck cab and into the windshield of a car Sunday in Augusta.

Police said Daniel Searway was driving with his wife and their 18-month-old son on I-95 when the ice flew off of the pickup truck and crashed through his windshield.

Searway, his wife and son were taken to MaineGeneral Medical Center in Augusta with facial lacerations and scrapes from the ice and broken glass.

State Trooper Bruce Scott said the accident serves as a reminder for people to clear snow and ice from the vehicles.

He said police are seeking information about the driver of the pickup truck, who didn't stop for the accident.

Associated Press

[url]http://news.mainetoday.com/midday/index.html#4[/url]

Thomas O
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I have had the pleasure of that experience. For whatever reason, I think I posted an account of it awhile back.
Stay tuned...

Anonymous
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Increase your following distance.
If you traveling fast enough for a piece of Ice to slide off and float through the air, you should have enough distance between you and the person ahead of you to let it reach the ground.

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Actually, that is what I thought as well. This is more a warning against tail gating than snow removal.

Al Amoling
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Actually I saw a sheet fly off an automobile this afternoon and it went about 4 car lengths before crashing to the ground.

Thomas O
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Can't find my post, but essentially me and the other vehicle(a Snap-On tools truck, I think)were going in opposite directions and happened to pass each other on a curve, mine left, his right.
A chunk of ice about 2" thick and the size of a newspaper came off his roof and I watched it flip like a baseball card straight at my windshield. This was in March and the road was dry, so we were both doing 45-50mph.
All I could do was put my head down and hit the brake.
It hit my side but due to the angle ended up in the passenger seat. Thank God I was alone, might've killed someone.
Thankfully, I didn't go off the road.
After I got the cops and my truck towed, I went to a friend's, I drank some beers while she pulled and cleaned tiny slivers of glass out of my face for a half hour or so.
Never found the other guy, doubt if he even knew what happened.

Anonymous
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Nobody but you is gonna look out for you,
Nor should anyone be expected to,
If you need to leave 4 lengths than leave 4 lengths.

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[quote="Batting1000"]Increase your following distance.
If you traveling fast enough for a piece of Ice to slide off and float through the air, you should have enough distance between you and the person ahead of you to let it reach the ground.[/quote]

Unless you're travelling in the opposite direction and it flys off in to your lane.

Thomas O
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[quote="Batting1000"]Nobody but you is gonna look out for you,
Nor should anyone be expected to,
If you need to leave 4 lengths than leave 4 lengths.[/quote]
If you're behind a semi on the Interstate, 4 car lengths just about paints a bullseye on your windshield.
Always pass a large truck this time of year, if you can do so safely.
If not, drop way back.

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It should be law that all vehicles are cleaned off after a storm, including large trucks and school buses. I just love those idiots that make a small hole in their windshield and then expect to arrive in one piece. It is not only being nice to fellow drivers but common sense, something of which most people lack today. America, the land of idiots. Love it or leave it.
Naran, should the death penalty be instituted for this in Maine?

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[quote="Slingblade"]. I just love those idiots that make a small hole in their windshield and then expect to arrive in one piece. [/quote]
In my view, the penalty for operating a vehicle in this condition should be on par with OUI.

Dan Billings
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[quote="Batting1000"]Increase your following distance.
If you traveling fast enough for a piece of Ice to slide off and float through the air, you should have enough distance between you and the person ahead of you to let it reach the ground.[/quote]

You can't stop people from passing you on the Interstate. I have had large pieces of ice fly off trucks that are passing me.

I am amazed that so many people do not make any effort to clean off their cars.

Roger Ek
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The best way to clear frost and light ice from a windshield is to spray it with RainX windshield washer. Make sure it is RainX. It is orange in color and works great as windshield washer fluid. When it's 20 below and the new DOT calcium slop splatters on your windshield you won't get any satisfaction from the blue stuff. It evaporates instantly and leaves an ice film on your windshield. RainX works fine at 20 below. It also leaves a clear protective coating.

I was following an 18 wheeler near Newport a few years ago and a huge 8 by 48 foot sheet of ice lifted off the box, flew a hundred feet in the air, stood on end and crashed to the ground. I don't think the driver saw it. I was about a half mile back. The little red Chevy Beretta behind the truck swerved to miss it and never even hit his brakes. Good driver.

Dan Billings
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It's pretty tough for 18-wheelers to keep their rigs clean of ice. My comments above are not aimed at them. It's the SUVs and mini-vans with big sheets of ice flying off that are hard for me to understand.

Catherine
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I'm 5'2" and I still get all the snow and ice off the car when I leave the office. I have a garage at home so I don't have to worry about it on the way in.

It would be tough for me if I had a jeep though. I guess I could keep a little step stool in the back.. :lol:

But anyhow...

Want to talk about the Interstate......

I was a 4th passenger in a jeep going down I-95 on a VERY RAINY spring day. We were heading South and sedan with two very old people with cruise control and bald tires were heading north. Long story short, sedan with cruise control hydroplanes and loses control going around a curve. Said sedan goes into the median, accelerates, and does a complete flip into our southbound lane. I see the bottom of the car hurdling toward us. My father-in-law says "Damn, this is gonna hurt." and we all brace ourselves. It landed on all fours in front of us and we smacked it going about 45.

Worst injury was a broken thumb by father-in-law. Everyone else was unhurt!

Dang!

Roger Ek
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Catharine, I think I would like your F-in-law. He keeps a clear head when threatened.

Catherine
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I have a lot to thank him for! :) He is awesome!!! He gave me his son, after all!

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when i drive.. i dont have my automobile in reverse... so why is it so crucial to clear off my rear window?

one rule that i have when i drive is that i watch where im going.

Sounds amazing huh.. its right up there with my other rule... DONT CRASH

Gary
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A few years ago, I witnessed a head-on collision, which resulted from someone following a DOT plow truck too close, and crossing the centerline to see if it was clear to pass... it wasn't.

Naran
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Chriswith - I dare say there are times you drive in reverse, it's kind of hard to avoid all the time. For instance, it's helpful to be able to see where you're going after shopping at the local food emporium, and you back out of the parking space.

If you hit someone walking in back of your vehicle because you didn't clear off your rear window, and you couldn't see them, who do you think will be found at fault, possibly for negligence as well as injuring someone?

If you're driving on the highway, and the ice and snow you've left on the rear of your vehicle or the top flies off into another vehicle, as in the story I posted at the beginning of the thread, injuring or killing someone, would this bother you?

What if you are driving along, it snowed the night before, but today it's sunny. After a while, the snow on top of your vehicle melts enough that it suddenly slides down the front windshield, completely blocking your view. And it's heavy enough the windshield wipers won't even work. Think it can't happen? Try that at 65 mph for some real jollies.
:roll:

Naran
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Gary, that can't have been a fun experience. Witnessing such a thing is horrible.

Bob MacGregor
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I'm not sure where to find this, but I am pretty sure it IS a violation to drive with snow and ice on the car, at least if it is impeding the view, and I believe it is also your fault if snow or ice from your car comes off and causes damage to another.

Seems I have read of this in the last month or so, perhaps one of the resident lawyers can help?

Gary
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[quote="Naran"]Gary, that can't have been a fun experience. Witnessing such a thing is horrible.[/quote]

It was a rather unpleasant experience. The driver of the small pickup, who caused the accident, complained of chest pains, but otherwise appeared OK. The passengers in the mini van that he struck were shaken, but alright. The driver of the mini van, however was pinned in the vehicle, but was conscious and alert, though in great pain. It could have been much worse had they not been wearing safety belts.

Many times I have been behind someone tailgating, who would swerve across the centerline to check if it was clear to pass, then dart back in if it wasn't. It would make me cringe whenever I saw someone do that, wondering how someone could be so incredibly stupid.

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Early morning school busses can be as bad as the 18 wheelers.

Anonymous
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I second Roger's opinion on Rain-X. I started using it several years ago when I was commuting to the Moosehead Lake region and the stuff really keeps your windshield clear.

One problem with ice on SUVs is the roof rack. While snow can easily slide off a car roof, the rear portion of the rack usually blocks the buildup. So when you have temperatures alternately melting and freezing during the day, you wind up with a three-inch layer of ice. If it breaks off by itself, good luck to the driver near you in either direction.

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Well, I can't find any reference yet to removing snow and ice from a vehicle under Maine law, but in my search I did find out I can't install a tv in my car in a way that it is visible to the driver.

Now just how do they expect me to watch the Patriots?

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Is it an opaque or semitransparent material or substance?

[quote] 1. Obstructions. A person may not operate a vehicle with a sign, poster, opaque or semitransparent material or substance on the front windshield, side wing or side or rear window that obstructs the operator's clear view of the way or an intersecting way. (1993, c. 683, Pt. A, §2 (new); Pt. B, §5 (aff).)[/quote]

[url=http://janus.state.me.us/legis/statutes/29-a/title29-asec2082.html]Sourc...

Anonymous
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A hard to enforce law. Afterall we let tractor trailers operate with a trailer blocking their rearview.
And if you have a tall person sitting in the passenger seat, or backseat of your car, techinically you are breaking the law.

There is an anecdote for every situation, but we don't need a special law to tell people to clear off the roof of their cars. Keep your distance and chances are you will be fine.

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[quote="Naran"]One of my pet peeves in the winter - how many times have we seen snow and ice covering the back windows on vehicles, with only a tiny hole scraped off? Or none? Or the giant snow bank on top of vehicles, which then slides off the back into the path of following cars?

[b]Ice crashes through windshield, prompts warning[/b]

AUGUSTA — Police are reminding people to clean snow and ice off their vehicles in stormy weather after a sheet of ice flew off a pickup truck cab and into the windshield of a car Sunday in Augusta.

Police said Daniel Searway was driving with his wife and their 18-month-old son on I-95 when the ice flew off of the pickup truck and crashed through his windshield.

Searway, his wife and son were taken to MaineGeneral Medical Center in Augusta with facial lacerations and scrapes from the ice and broken glass.

State Trooper Bruce Scott said the accident serves as a reminder for people to clear snow and ice from the vehicles.

He said police are seeking information about the driver of the pickup truck, who didn't stop for the accident.

Associated Press

[url]http://news.mainetoday.com/midday/index.html#4[/url][/quote]

I thought that's why the state leaves so many bumps in the road for, sixty miles and hour, weak shocks and a bump and zip, zap, zam, the snow is gone.

Naran
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There are times one simply can't keep the distance one would like to. I never tailgate, but on the highway, if you leave enough room, someone else will simply pull in front of you, taking advantage of that space. Then you slow down to leave room again, and bingo, it just happens repeatedly, especially if the traffic is heavy.

In addition, you can't pull up to a stoplight and leave four car lengths between you and the truck ahead of you. Who then pulls away, with ice and snow sliding off the back, onto the road and anything behind them.

I know it has to be tough to clean the top of an SUV or pickup truck (although I have neither), but I still think some efforts should be made.

I wasn't suggesting a new law, BTW. About 6 years ago the state put a new law on the books, saying that if you need your wipers, you must have your headlights on. How many citations have we heard of for that one? And how many people know about it? Very few, from what I see on the roads when its raining.

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Getting off the subject a little, another thing that can be dangerous is people that smoke and then flick their cigarette butt out the window. I knew a lady once who said that someone in front of her did this and the cigarette came into her open window and landed in her child's car seat. She pulled over in a panic but fortunately the lit cigarette didn't touch the child.

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