Please everyone, be libertarian with me for just one election

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LarryinAugusta
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Please everyone, be libertarian with me for just one election

Gary Johnson just gave a great speak at PaulFest. This is the true conservative candidate. Gary Johnson asks "Please everyone, be libertarian with me for just one election.” Yes, I will Garry and thank you. There is a choice and I do not need to hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tLN5NBZ5KU

1. Stop Foreign Aid.
2. Does not want to bomb Iran.
3. Get out of Afghanistan now.
4. Stop military interventions.
5. Repeal the Patriot act.
6. Would never sign the national defense act.
7. End the drug wars.
8. Marriage Equality.
9. Balancing the federal budget now.
10. 43% reduction in most government spending.
11. Abolish the IRS.
12 Eliminate income tax, business tax and have a consumption tax.
13. Abolish the Federal Reserve.
14. Repeal legal tender laws and allow competing currency.

Roger S
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Be libertarian for one

Be libertarian for one election. Be serfs for the rest of your lives thanks to the 2nd term of B. Hussein Obama.

Islander
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And after the one election

And after the one election then what?

Three Pipe Problem
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Reaganite, this quote goes

Reaganite, this quote goes out to you...

"If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is."

"Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path."

-- Ronald Reagan in Reason Magazine, 1975

Rick Blaine
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It's a Flight You Only Make

It's a Flight You Only Make Once!!!!!

Melvin Udall
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Good photo. It's amazing what

Good photo.

It's amazing what you can promise if you don't have a snowball's chance of being elected.

And you are throwing your vote away. It has no chance of causing anything good to happen, and a major chance of causing something very bad to happen.

Why don't you take all your money to Las Vegas, and bet on Gary Johnson winning as an 'act of principle and conscience?'

eagleisland
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Three Pipe, these go out to

Three Pipe, these go out to YOU:

"[Libertarians] are not defenders of capitalism. They’re a group of publicity seekers who rush into politics prematurely, because they allegedly want to educate people through a political campaign, which can’t be done."

"I dislike Reagan and Carter; I’m not too enthusiastic about the other candidates. But the worst of them are giants compared to anybody who would attempt something as un-philosophical, low, and pragmatic as the Libertarian Party. It is the last insult to ideas and philosophical consistency."

Those quotes are, of course, from Ayn Rand. As is this one, which has a rather nice analogy to today's race, when she was asked about the Libertarian candidate in 1972:

"I’d rather vote for Bob Hope, the Marx Brothers, or Jerry Lewis. I don’t think they’re as funny as Professor Hospers and the Libertarian Party. If, at a time like this, John Hospers takes ten votes away from Nixon (which I doubt he’ll do), it would be a moral crime. I don’t care about Nixon, and I care even less about Hospers. But this is no time to engage in publicity seeking, which all these crank political parties are doing. If you want to spread your ideas, do it through education. But don’t run for President—or even dogcatcher—if you’re going to help McGovern."

Mainelion
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Yeah, good thing we elected a

Yeah, good thing we elected a crook like Nixon. Talk about the lesser of two evils. The ends justify the means though, so it's all good.

Reaganite
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TPP: I agree completely with

TPP: I agree completely with Ronaldus Magnus' sentiment. I've stated several times that I very much agree with many of the principles for which both Ron Paul and Gary Johnson stand.

However, I'll note that no where does Reagan suggest throwing away one's vote on an unelectable candidate, thus allowing one of the top three most liberal presidents in history another term. He was, in practice, quite pragmatic.

Unfortunately, the wrong Paul is running and a vote for Johnson is tantamount to a vote for the tyranny of Obama.

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Hindsight's great, ain't it?

Hindsight's great, ain't it? How come you can't in hindsight say what McGovern would have done?

Three Pipe Problem
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Reaganite, I suspect Reagan

Reaganite, I suspect Reagan would have agreed with you about not going 3rd party, and it's a perfectly defensible position. I just wanted to see if you were familiar with the quote and what your thoughts were, thanks.

eagleisland, as I have stated I'm not a Randian. Nor are most libertarians, who regarded her followers then as they do now as almost cultlike. Here is a nice essay on that note by Rothbard -- The Sociology of the Ayn Rand Cult. However, I did prefer Greenspan when he was in the cult.

Mike G
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Anyone who thinks that a vote

Anyone who thinks that a vote for Romney is going to save liberty and create prosperity in this country is truely delusional.

LarryinAugusta
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The choices are: 4 more years

The choices are:

4 more years of Obama + possibly 8 year with a more liberty minded person vs. 8 year of Romney. Romney has shown me that he is not much better than Obama. I was ready to vote for Romney as he was my third choice but I have a hard time voting for someone that does not respect me and the vote of the Maine People at the convention.

What happened to our delegates sealed the deal for me.

eagleisland
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Anyone who thinks that a vote

Anyone who thinks that a vote for Romney is going to save liberty and create prosperity in this country is truely delusional.

I'm just curious, Mike G - what IS the color of the sky on your planet? And they don't have spell checkers there, do they?

LarryinAugusta
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Rand Paul 2016

Rand Paul 2016

LarryinAugusta
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Rand Paul is off to a great

Rand Paul is off to a great start in his speach at PaulFest......talking about the TSA,

Mainelion
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I have no idea what McGovern

I have no idea what McGovern would have done Mel, but voting for someone who has shown no regard for election results smacks of Nixonian ethics. YMMV.

Mike G
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Why would I ever vote for a

Why would I ever vote for a warmonger like Romney?

Why would I vote for someone who hasn't learned a damn thing about Bush/Obama's wars in the middle east? Not only didn't learn anything but is ready to double-down on it. Or maybe what he may have learned from the wars is that it is a great way for corporations to take taxpayers money.

A War on Iran poises more of a danger to America than does Obomba's over spending, if Obomba wasn't a war monger himself then I'd consider a third party vote as being wasted. lol Seems to me that there is only a vote for third party or no vote at all.

Mike G
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Eagleisland What color is

Eagleisland

What color is your sky? Blood Red with the stench of dead bodies

Burdock Farm
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I just had a sudden case of

I just had a sudden case of deja vu
I think we have two very close threads going.

My biggest problem with Ron Paul is his foreign policy.
Those ideas are foreign to me as well.
I say, no nukes for Iran!
How could you think otherwise?
You suppose that Iran's sky is not covered in blood- with Israelis blood?
I'm glad to see you at least acknowledge Obama's war.
Sticking our head in the sand won't work either.
Warmonger Romney?
Anything to support that, other than trying to keep us safe and (our friend/ ally) Israel safe?
I thought he (Romney) was a wimp myself.
As far as overspending.
Well if we're a bankrupt nation, I guess you'll be happy.
We won't even be able to protect ourselves.
I'm sure the Iranians (talk of warmongers) will find the good in their hearts, not to kill us.
Because that's the kind of guy's they are.
Your sky is what color again?

Mike G
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Don't feed me that Iran is

Don't feed me that Iran is going to bomb us with their nukes and we have to stop them.

If anyone is a threat in that region it would be all the other nations that have vastly more nukes than Iran.

Romney talks like a neocon, walks like a neocon and will act like a neocon. G W Bush is alive in the whitehouse in Obomba and will be alive if Romney gets there.

Iranians (talk of warmongers) what nation have they invaded and occupied lately?

Three Pipe Problem
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Burdock, Iran has not invaded

Burdock, Iran has not invaded another country in well over 250 years. The idea that they pose a threat to us is laughable. They literally cannot mount a conventional war. They only a want nukes in the first place because they are surrounded by foreign aggressors. And we're hardly talking about a society of religious zealots. I believe I read that 80% do not attend Friday prayers in Iraq.

America, however, has initiated force against other countries countless times in the past hundred years. A list of our invasions and interferences in foreign governments would exceed the reasonable length of a forum post here.

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I have a friend that lived

I have a friend that lived Iran back in the 70's or 80's maybe.
You are correct, most of them aren't religious zealots.
Just the "powers that be" over there are.
Listen to Amdimandczar their leader.
Weekly, he spouts he will destroy Israel.
His appointed cronies do the same.
Their chosen method of war is similar to China, Russia, and even US in many ways.
Fund and train the ones that will do the job, instead of actually doing it.
Syria? West banks? Afghanistan w/ Taliban?
You don't think they have nothing to do with them?
Oh, I guess these are Bush lies that Obama admin. is telling us now.
Obviously, they are not now able to shoot the nukes at us yet.
But the ties to terrorists, and the hate for us is enough to worry me.
If i can buy dope out of Mexico.
What's to stop a terrorist from getting some bad stuff in one of our schools?

Then there's 911?
Even Hillary would argue with your take on this.

Three Pipe Problem
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Burdock, Israel is

Burdock, Israel is threatening to take them out as well. Netenyahu is beating the war drums. Each side blames it on the other. The fact remains that the US repeatedly does engage in the sort of aggression that you seem to fear from Iran. The difference is that while power in Iran is distributed among several different groups, many less crazy than the 'Amdimandczar' (lol), and is unlikely to invade anyone given that it would constitute mass suicide to do so, Israel may well actually invade Iran before the US election comes to pass. In any case, I'm not convinced Amdimandczar is crazy... he just shares with our officials a good understanding of war rhetoric. Really this country is in no position to wage a war. People smart enough to climb the ladder of power tend to have a mighty good instinct for self-preservation, which is why the world hasn't ended in fire yet.

The rhetoric in many of the 20 pages of summarized US military interventions since WWII (starting p.14) was the same. But for some reason, we are the ones who keep keep doing the attacking and meddling and overthrowing, while justifying it on the fear that someone else my do the same to us. We've even overthrown Iran's democratically elected leaders and installed a torturing dictator. How did that work out for us?

Lest anyone take this for an argument that other countries are saints and we the only villain, let me correct that now. I simply believe that the initiation of violence is not only wrong, but counterproductive to our safety. Iran has done some meddling -- for example, now that we have destroyed the balance of power with Iraq they are meddling over there -- but they pale in comparison to us, and even so, it doesn't mean we need to initiate the use of force, nor support Israel in doing so.

On nukes, is your principle that if a country tries to get them or actually get them, and it makes other countries nervous, the other countries should just invade and overthrow their government. How will that principle of "preemptive" aggression work out when China eclipses the US as the dominant superpower?

On a lighter note, what is burdock (the plant) good for? I keep cutting down a huge specimen near my house.

Mike G
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Even Hillary would argue with

Even Hillary would argue with your take on this.

exactly why no one should vote for Obomba

eagleisland
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What color is your sky? Blood

What color is your sky? Blood Red with the stench of dead bodies

No. Today, it was blue, with a slight haze. Not crystal clear, but rather nice, in fact.

Your answer convinces me - you need help. Seriously, Mike G, seek some.

Bob S
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Burdock has been used for

Burdock has been used for centuries to treat a host of ailments. It has been traditionally used as a "blood purifier" to clear the bloodstream of toxins, as a diuretic (helping rid the body of excess water by increasing urine output), and as a topical remedy for skin problems such as eczema, acne, and psoriasis.

Burdock

Mike G
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Your answer convinces me -

Your answer convinces me - you need help. Seriously, Mike G, seek some.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lewrockwell-show/2012/08/24/303-psycho-state-...

"Raub, 26, had his home visited one week earlier by FBI, Secret Service and local law enforcement agents who expressed concern over a series of Facebook posts he had made on his public social networking profile. They detained him without charge and admitted him to a local hospital for evaluation." snip end

You mean like this guy Eagleisland, maybe I need a visit. lol

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Um, His rhetoric is quite

Um,
His rhetoric is quite damning and he seems pretty serious about it.
He's backing, Syria & Hezbollah.
They're a nation the size of Connecticut, you'd be worried too.
I may have miss spoke not sure of the size of Israel.
Mass. maybe?
Not very big anyway.

Amdimandczar, is a nut case, not to be trusted.
Anyone who pulls that many minds and gets them to do bad things are.
Jim Jones comes to mind.
Drank any cool aid lately?

If you could only find 20 pages I'd be surprised.
I know I could find the same in return.
But, send them.
As far as, taking him out.
I think Israel will have to.
I don't think they have a choice.
Would you let someone back a country/ terrorists that is shooing missiles into your town get away with it?
They (Israelis) live with this everyday.
You and I don't.

Burdock's are:
The thorny irritating bush that , even fire will not kill.
Will not go away and quite annoying.
We have tried many methods to get rid of these things.
Pulling up from the root seems to be the only method.
It has been an ongoing joke here and now a farm name.
When we first bought the property, there was a sheep still here that- yes covered in burdocks.
Just like armor.
You couldn't touch the poor girl, except the nose.
She was a walking burdock :)

So get a rope and pull it out w/ the truck/ tractor
Make sure you get every piece of root out, the darn thing will come back.
Still the name seems appropriate :)
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Thanks Larry but #8 on the

Thanks Larry but #8 on the list does it for me,and I am not too sure I agree with the long list of
other things he wouldn't get done.
Just once again no can do!

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LarryinAugusta wrote: "What

LarryinAugusta wrote: "What happened to our delegates sealed the deal for me."

Yeah, I was in Augusta too. I voted for Ron Paul in our local caucus. When I got to Augusta, I was disgusted by the Ron Paul NAZIs..... That sealed the deal for me.

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