Prostitution boil about to bust?

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Melvin Udall
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Prostitution boil about to bust?

I was listening to streaming audio on a radio station in California this morning, and the breaking prostitution story in Maine made their news break. I believe they mentioned there is a 'book,' and it reportedly contains politicians, lawyers, doctors, etc.

Should make for some fun. Anyone got the details?

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I don't know about anybody

I don't know about anybody else but I'm waiting in breathless anticipation.
Breathless, I tell ya, breathless.

FLNext
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It has become a national

It has become a national story. I have had calls and emails from as far away as California. Trouble is, I don't know anything more than what has been reported.

See the Kennebunk thread, Melvin.

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Many lives, families, careers

Many lives, families, careers and futures may be ruined by the governments decision to punish some "johns" for acts that a) the cops have no proof actually happened, b) the johns have never been legally accused or convicted of any crime, c) there really is no victim here and d) the entire proposition that the government may tell an adult human being what they may or may not do with their own person is wrong, ill conceived and un-American.

Nothing good will come of prosecuting this matter and much agony will wash up in its wake.

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Watcher, she video taped the

Watcher, she video taped the acts, they are on the internet (http://www.ibtimes.com/zumba-scandal-rocks-kennebunk-maine-instructor-al...). How many false allegations of sexual abuse etc been on the front pages? Nope they broke the law and the names should be printed, just like OUI, speeding etc. These guys made appointments to do something they knew was illegal. And don't you know that a women can only have the freedom to do whatever she wants with her body only applies to abortion?
I do agree it is a foolish law, but still a law at least for now.

Naran
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We print names of other

We print names of other people who make poor, embarrassing choices -- like those who commit rape, murder, drug sales, burglary, etc.

Why should the perps on the Kennebunk John Doe list get any breaks?

The public's right to know is paramount to any potential embarrassment or hurt to the families. Other criminals have families, too. Those criminals' names are still published. The Kennebunk client list should be no different.

The lawyers for several johns have said they will likely appeal the name release to the Maine Supreme Court, which would likely mean the names wouldn't be released until all appeals have been heard. However, the higher court isn't likely to rule any differently on the matter than the district court.

Today, Biddeford District Court Judge Andre Janelle denied the motion for a temporary restraining order. Janelle ruled that the information is public.

"While it is the role of the judiciary to protect the rights of each individual ... and to take measures to insure that a criminal defendant obtains a fair trial, the judiciary's role in protecting a defendant's rights does not extend to shielding the identity of an adult criminal defendant who has been charged by criminal complaint and summoned to appear in court," Janelle wrote.

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The fact that more and more

The fact that more and more of this is going on these days, and fewer and fewer people think there is anything "wrong" with it all........is very disturbing and says a lot about the moral decay that has infested our culture!

........"this is a victimless crime"........

So what would you call the wife whose husband brings home HIV or some lesser sexually transmitted disease to her? All the while she has absolutely NO knowledge of where her husband has been and who he has engaged in sexual acts with. Talk about "disloyalty" it doesn't beome much more disloyal than having a man do this to his wife and family!

I believe the communities, and especially the immediate families of these men should be able to have the knowledge of just what their husbands, dads, and well respected community members were really doing, behind the scenes, and the large amount of total disrespect they cared to show their families..........and themselves!

And do you really think there are "no victims" when every year in the United States, thousands of young women are lured into drug addiction, so they become dependant upon their pimps for their next fix, and thus are easy to force into the modern day slave trade?

WC.

Apollo
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The Ron Paul people want to

The Ron Paul people want to legalize it. Along with drugs.

Tom C
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The idea that it's "harmless"

The idea that it's "harmless" is almost beside the point. The people that engage in this are sleeezy thugs, many of whom would cut your throat just on as say "hi". The sad cast of charachters that emerged from the topless donut shop is an example of the pathos that surronds these activities.

It's is naive to think that legalizing these activities would end crime. The criminals would just find other crimes to commit. It's what they do.

Naran
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Laura Dolce, York County

Laura Dolce, York County Coast Star
BREAKING: Second appeal to block release of names is denied. Lawyer requesting Maine Supreme Judicial Court to hear appeal. Waiting to hear if they'll take case.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/14456697389/

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For some reason I think

For some reason I think they're required to take it. I'm fairly certain that's the case in appeals from civil and criminal decisions too.

charlie

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The johns/janes who have

The johns/janes who have wives or husbands have exposed themselves and their families to diseases that could take their health and possibly their lives. ALL these people need to be tested for sexually transmitted diseases. Putting aside the moral issues, there are very real health issues associated with this situation.

Naran
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Lucky - agreed. The

Lucky - agreed. The "humiliation" cited by the johns in their appeal may be the least of the concerns for any wives and children.

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Charlie - I am told the Maine Supreme Judicial Court can decline to hear the appeal.

Based on the denials in the lower court, they may decline to hear the case.

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Yes there are, major risks.

Yes there are, major risks. It is one thing for a consenting adult to take a risk. It is quite another to expose his wife to the same risk........without her knowledge.

Some of these guys are important people in their home communities, or so they say.

I believe the people who hold them in this kind of high regard, have every right in the world to know just the kind of people they are dealing with!

List the names. If they can't stand the public scorn...........they should have thought of that before they climbed in bed with a hooker, that they paid good money for.

The vast majority of hookers are drug addicts and exposed to all kinds of diseases that people who don't live that lifestyle, know enough to avoid.

These guys have no one to blame......but themselves.

WC

Apollo
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Can she get off the hook if

Can she get off the hook if she claims to be gay?

Naran
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Laura Dolce, York County

Laura Dolce, York County Coast Star:

BREAKING: Kennebunk police say no names of alleged "johns" will be released this week in prostitution case.

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Geez...I am surprised at the

Geez...I am surprised at the near panicy, uncontrolled emotion and righteous indignation coming from this crowd. Is a single guy visiting a prostitute to be equated with murder, rape burglary as Naran did? I think not.

Islander, the act of abortion involves the body of an unwilling subject as well as the mother...the baby. Don't forget the baby. Not the same at all as two consenting adults is it?

Several of you cite the unsuspecting wife who may get a STD from the husbands acts and I agree. Is it a crime, however, to unknowingly pass on an STD? It may be base, inhuman, stupid, evil etc but is it a crime?

My thought about the ramifications of publishing the names are not so much with the John...they are with the wife, kids, co-workers employees etc whose lives and livelihoods depend on the "john's" continued existence. We protect rape victims by not publishing names but many here think it is OK to not protect that same innocent wife or kids from public humiliation, school bullying and all the things that ensue.

Just an opinion.

Naran
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Sorry, but public interest in

Sorry, but public interest in the integrity of the legal process says your opinion is offbase.

Watcher
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Naran...what exactly is the

Naran...what exactly is the public interest in the acts of two consenting adults? The fact that we have a law does not make the act wrong or unethical After all, we had laws against homosexual behavior, against inter-racial marriage, for slavery, against working on Sunday ad infinitum. Besides the comments above express sheer excitement, sexual titillation, prurient interest and down right water-cooler gossip. Not our finest sentiments about impending ruin for some Mainers...albeit of the "john's" making.

Apollo
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Yes, very prurient! I'm

Yes, very prurient! I'm hoping for big name liberals running for office to be on the list.
Out in Nevada, prostitution is legal. I think the state even sends health inspectors in twice a year to check the girls. This one should have moved out there and set up. Lot cheaper cost of living and lower taxes too.
Besides that, this one isn't really all that good looking. Not for $1,000 on average for each guy. I guess some guys aren't particular.

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Well if it is not a big deal

Well if it is not a big deal or something between two adults, then why would it ruin their lives, will they die of embarrassment ? No different than having an affair is it? They didn't seem to mind making an appointment, parking their car in public and running and running in public, now they want to protect their reputation, please que up the violins.
Now if you want to stop publishing all crimes then ok, until then

Tom C
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Besides that, this one isn't

Besides that, this one isn't really all that good looking.

I dunno. Pegs my "cute" meter.

Not for $1,000 on average for each guy.

I don't understand why guy use prostitutes anyway. There are like, what, 3 billion women out there?

Although, I've heard that guys don't pay hookers for sex, they pay them to go away after sex.

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Watcher, the fact that we

Watcher, the fact that we have a law against it DOES make it wrong! Morality aside, if it's against the law and you do it, it's wrong. Maybe you should make t shirts and bumper stickers that say, "Prostitution should be legal", and work to change the law.

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Especially if there are law

Especially if there are law enforcement officers on the list. How many times have you heard the" law is the law". They enforce speeding ;laws when no one is there. They get you for not wearing a seat belt because "it's the law". Yet now they break the law?? I definitely want to know if any of these hypocrites are on the list. I hope they are forced to resign.

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Seems to me they should only

Seems to me they should only release names through indictments. Any name can be in a "book" . What does a name in a book prove? If there is evidence of a crime, then indict the guys. If not, stop being Gov't Thugs.

Calvin
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Anything to keep Kennebunk in

Anything to keep Kennebunk in the news !

I don't think anyone would kick that out of bed for eating crackers.

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It must be my age but guys,

It must be my age but guys, that lady in the picture has "cheesy" written all over her face. What do you see in that? Is there some sort of "turn on" when admiring a woman who has had many hundreds of sexual partners? That kind of thing makes me sick to my stomach! Those who think the main attraction is certain "physical assets" have totally missed the show I think. Beauty in any woman, to my way of thinking runs much deeper than that!

I would like to see a list so the public that has, heretofore, held these guys in high regard, will have a bit of a chance to see just what they have been doing, behind closed doors at the local "sex factory" and "video production" facility. These guys probably partake of this stuff so that they can stroke their "manly egos". Hey guys, nothing very manly about this deal, especially when you pay more for a little pop, then I have paid for alot of the cars I have driven!

Question for these great heros, now desperately trying to keep their identities hidden from the rest of the world: Hey guys, how would it be if your wife was going to a local motel, while you were working or otherwise away from home, and was engaging in sexual encounters with men she didn't even know? Of course that would be DIFFERENT. Somehow I just knew that men like you would think just that way. Bet you would have some fine things to say to her wouldn't you. Kind of like some of the stuff she is going to think about you when she sees your name on that list, huh?

I know my age is showing here but I am postive, in my own mind that rampant sexual promiscuity is having a very negative effect on our culture. Loss of the feeling of responsibility towards another human being, your soul mate that you took a vow to love and protect, means little to many Americans today, and we are the poorer for it.

My own father had a career that touched the lives of thousands of young men and women, in many positive ways. But, for all the good things he did, he had a secret. He had a mistress for many years. I knew it anyway, for a long time, and so did a lot of other people, including my mother. He was on what he thought was his "death bed" in a local hospital one night, when he brought himself to tell me. I did not tell him I already knew, and he swore me to secrecy, especially not to tell my mother about it.

I was very moved that night by this, and have been ever since. My dad was a good person who did a lot of really good things for the world that he lived in. I loved him deeply, and miss him very much, but I have never quite been able to bring myself to forgive him, not for what he did to his own self-respect, but what he did to my mother, a woman who was intensely loyal and stood by her man through illness and health, and thick and thin. My mother valued "loyalty" over almost everything else. It is sad to think that my dad succumbed to something that has destroyed lots of lives and lots of families. My mother deserved better, and I am very sad that I never had the chance to tell her that!

I value family over just about everything else, and have little to no sympathy for a philandering husband who has little feelings for anything or anbody, other than his own selfish desires. These guys are guilty of more sin than the hooker was IMHO. If they believe that if their names are made public that it will bring shame upon their families and their reputations then they should have thought of that before they made this deal with the devil!

WC

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Naran clarify the "we print"

Naran clarify the "we print" names.
PPH does not any longer print all police activity as it used to.
The Current papers here print Gorham and Westbrook activity.
Yes, it is public information ,but is there a law that says it has to be published ?

This has come up before in other threads. I have a right to it but IMHO no one has to make it any easier for me to get it! If I trully want it I can go get it .
Beyond the fact it is public information available to what purpose is trully served beyond the purient interest?
It isn't solely news since outlets are choosing what if any they print.

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WC It's your age. You should

WC

It's your age.

You should have stopped at that.

eagleisland
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We ain't exactly talking

We ain't exactly talking about a crack 'ho here. As Howie would say, NOT GUILTY. 8->

More seriously: when it comes to actual crime, there is a difference between a woman who chooses to sell her 'nethers and one who is forced to do so by others. It does not appear that Ms. Lexi had a gun to her head; she had a product that she was willing to sell, and she apparently found a market that was interested in purchase.

I don't see anything of particular public interest, beyond prurient, of releasing the john list.

Melvin Udall
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Hey, Cenci, where you been?

Hey, Cenci, where you been? I've missed you. Shoot me a PM.

Following this thread is a real hoot.

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