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taxfoe
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Gallup reported . . I posted

Gallup reported . . I posted it on another homo-exclusive thread . . LGBT population is around 3.2%, or roughly the same as the prison population.

Stephen Carmichael
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So dose that make 2.45% of

So dose that make 2.45% of the homosexual population homeless or just not willing to report to the census collection?

charlotte
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Bruce, many of these couples

Bruce, many of these couples have been waiting for years and years to marry. A few locations are celebrating this historic time by allowing these couples to marry as soon as possible...and you have issue with that? I can't add much more to what David and Lucky have said. Most of these couples have been paying more taxes then their heterosexual peer for years...and you want to deny them a few hours of tax payer time? I say go ahead...wait in line...You will learn more about love and dedication then you have seen in years. Cheers!

Reaganite
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Most of these couples have

Most of these couples have been paying more taxes then their heterosexual peer for years

You read it here first. Homosexual couples pay more local taxes than heterosexual couples. Film at 11:00...or there would be, if this weren't unsubstantiated BS.

Bruce Libby
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Charlotte then answer yes or

Charlotte then answer yes or no.
The very fact this is being done is then a special exception to the norm .
I do not want to deny anyone anything ,they can do what they have been waiting for Monday to Friday normal business hrs..
I just for once want to see some one be honest in this even little way,period. It is really quite simple but appears to be very difficult .

Thanks for assuming I have not known love and devotion in 44 years. My wife will be glad to know that !
See just answer the question that is all,w/out the retort.
But forget it because you won't because even in this simple example the mantra cannot be deviated from .

Here is the answer: It is special but it is OK because it is historic !

ewv
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Bruce Libby Sun, 12/09/2012 -

Bruce Libby Sun, 12/09/2012 - "On Dec. 29th at least Portland and Augusta will open on Saturday ,a normal closed for business day ,offices for SSM couples to get marriage licenses. Equality Maine motto "equal rights not special rights". If I live in either place I cannot register my car there on Saturday! Equal or Special ?"

You want to marry your car on a Saturday? I don't think that's allowed yet. Only on Thursdays.

Islander
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There was never anyone

There was never anyone stopping g them from getting married , was there Charlotte? Maybe the Supreme Court will say it is not legal.

Melvin Udall
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Points well taken, R. By the

Points well taken, R.

By the way, I believe the victory won is that 'same sex couples' could get married. Is that the same as homosexuals?

I wonder what would have happened if the ballot issue had said homosexuals.

Just wondrin.'

What's next; do you really think they've put on their 'it's all overcoat?'

Bruce Libby
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ewv you must getting along in

ewv you must getting along in years if t\you equate Thursday w/ any of this topic!!!!! lol
No just trolling for a simple answer from someone !

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Because a bunch of people

Because a bunch of people went out and "voted" for something, and won that vote, that makes what they "voted" for, "legal".

But just because something is "legal" does not necessarily confer "morally upstanding" status on it. Suppose enough people got together and voted to make child molestation, legal, would that make it OK?

What is a "moral" is up to each of us, as individuals to decide, for ourselves, just like deciding what is "fair". Government cannot decide what is either "moral" or "fair" and no amount of legal mumbo jumbo will ever get a lot of us to accept that homosexuality, bi-sexuality, transsexuality, transgendering and a whole bunch of other stuff is either "moral or acceptable".

Unlike many of the "discovered" or "manufactured by SCOTUS decision" rights, including the right to be gay, the right to practice our own "religous beliefs" and to speak openly about them, is specifically mentioned in the United States Constitution. The LGBT apparatus ran a campaign with a slogan "keep your religious beliefs away from my Constitutional rights" meaning to infer that their right to be gay, superseded my right to my religious beliefs. Can you say "too stupid to have ever read the document"?

Government, as operated by leftists, has become real good at creating various interest and ethnic groups, with the idea of "divide and conquer" paramount in their strategy. Divide the populace, confer "special rights" (such as being able to purchase a marriage license outside of regular hours)on the group in favor at the moment, and government "wins". It is easy to control the populace once you have divided them up into groups currying government favors, divide the spoils according to the political benefits inherent......and you have something that looks just like America today.

Studying history is enlightening. Many civilizations have come.......and gone forever. History teaches us that for any society to stay "healthy and long enduring" that society has to impose a "code of moral conduct" upon it's citizens. This does not necessarily have to be written down someplace, but just readily accepted by most people. Anyone who grew up in the 1950's, as I did, saw this in action as entire towns and communities acted in consort, in the interest of most all the young people in town. Go down town and misbehave, and several people would call your parents and tell them what you did, many would speak to you and let you know what you did was unacceptable behavior. Don't believe this? Look at how much of Africa lives today and see what "ignorance" and lack of any kind of acceptable codes of human conduct does to societies. Or for that matter, look at how lots of people in this country live, who have adopted the "street culture" as their "moral code".

But now, in a modern, enlightened, progressive, diverse America........any perversion one wants to practice, seems to be readily acceptable. Many of those of the LGBT community think that "voting for gay marriage" conferred "legislated approval" of a lifestyle choice that quite a few people still deem unacceptable.

There are those, and they are many, who talk about the supposed "gay gene" as in, "he was born gay". To that I say horsefeathers! I have spent a lot of time looking and so far have found not one single shred of credible scientific evidence of any such a thing. The "proof" that one encounters, consists mostly of LGBT backed outfits promoting this "scientific" idea, sort of like the global warminists do. The "gay gene" argument, in my book is entirely a "manufactured political argument" used to promote an agenda to use government to confer "special rights" and "legislated approval" upon the chosen, pretty much what we (not me) just did!

I believe that people make a conscious or unconscious choice to live the LBGT lifestyle, and that for many that choice makes them more than a bit "uncomfortable with themselves" as they know full well how society has frowned upon this practice for centuries, and people with deep religious beliefs keep reminding us of often. They are hoping that if enough "laws" are created to demonstrate the "legitimazation" of this practice, then they can feel better about themeselves as they are then "equal" on paper, to any other couples.

I totally buy the argument that the LGBT movement is not "finished" with their campaigning. Those who have achieved enough political power to acquire privileges for themselves, thoroughly enjoy the feel of wielding that power, and will look for other things to use it against. I have seen more than enough evidence to convince me that organized religion, that does not favor homosexuality, will be their next target, as several others have predicted.

The Roman Emperor, Nero, liked to run "sporting contests" in the "Colesium" and thousands would attend, every time, enthralled with the mortal combat. My dad used to tell me as a boy, that Nero did this so as to "entertain the masses" and take their minds off of how he was controlling and robbing them. Many of todays Americans sit in rapture in front of the tube, or gather in our huge "colesiums" to gaze upon these "contests". The contests become more important than things in everyday life, to many people. Considering this lust to "destroy organized anti-homosexual religion" can the "lions and Christians" really be that far away?

All I can say is "bring it on". I know some pretty strong willed, conservative, people with deeply held religious beliefs, who believe this whole sordid enterprise of currying government favors, is deeply distressing and harmful to their country. They are always going to believe that this whole thing is BS!

I read the piece yesterday where the people in rural parts of America are just not "relevant" to the modern political scene in America, and I think that is just fine. I would like nothing better than to see "government" keep their governing out of the kind of places that I enjoy living in and they can confine their "governing" to large built up places such as Portland, where folks just love being told what to do all the time, and enjoy having government as their "great protector".

Out here in Rural America, we have to "think for ourselves" and "take care of ourselves", a thoroughly American idea, but a totally foreign idea in a place like Portland.

WC

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As an interesting

As an interesting observation, in 1916 there was this: [url=http://www.gutenberg.org/files/35689/35689-h/35689-h.htm]ANTI-SUFFRAGE ESSAYS[/url]

For at least two generations suffragists have been spending a huge amount of energy and money in spreading their doctrine. Contributions, mainly drawn from a few rich women, have enabled them to send professional speakers into every district of the state, to distribute tons of "literature," to supply the press with a constant stream of "news" written from their point of view, and in general to advertise their claims in the most lavish way. A propaganda so subsidized would have been successful decades ago if sound principles and common sense were on its side. But to their consternation the suffragists found that the vast majority of Massachusetts women turned a deaf ear to their plausible appeals, and that their strongest opponents were those of their own sex.

Interesting similarities in claims among those who wished to deny women basic rights and those today who wish to deny gay people basic rights.

charlotte
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Many gays and lesbians in

Many gays and lesbians in long term relationships have and do pay more in taxes. Example, many pay taxes on their partner's health care benefits (due to the fact that they are not considered a legal couple). For example.

Bruce, glad to hear your marriage of 44 years is going strong. How does it feel to have received special rights for that long?

WC stop comparing marriage for same sex couples to child molestation...it is a cheap blow. If you don't want to support marriage for a same sex couple...don't. I am sure those couples will get over your lack of support. The majority in Maine supported this legislation. These couples will start to be legally married December 29th. It is a very happy time for these folks.

Apollo
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WRONG - a majority did NOT

WRONG - a majority did NOT support gay marriage. What was the percent turnout of the vote in November? 55%. That means exactly 30% of Maine people voted for gay marriage. I'm going to put an upside down pink triangle on my car with "30%" on it.

David Allen
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Bruce, the simple answer to

Bruce, the simple answer to your question is that elected officials in Portland and Augusta (where I assume the majority of voters support gay marriage) decided to open their offices for this purpose. I'm not aware that anyone from Equality Maine advocated for that. Of course, if the elected officials in your town make the same decision, you can complain to them and/or vote them out at the next election. And yes, this is an historic occasion no matter which side of the issue you are on.

Apollo
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David, when are they going to

David, when are they going to start filing the lawsuits to shut down all the churches and businesses that refuse to perform gay weddings?

Bruce Libby
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David Allen It is real simple

David Allen
It is real simple answer the question /explain the difference in the context of what was used as the talking point that was victorious.
We have been told for years it was "Equal not Special"!
I do not need you to tell me what I can do about this I know that.That is deflection instead of an answer.
I have acknowledged that yes it is historic. The result of this historic event is yet to be determined ,for now I have said happiness to all!

I have made this as simple as I can for advocates, I repeat all I would like to hear and I would respect if someone would just say,
because of this historic occasion a special thing is occurring that is not equal to what I would be able to do in both these localities one week later!

I repeat my beliefs are well known in many threads. I do not need to repeat them here. I hold my beliefs but do not act upon them,I do not/would not discriminate against gays!
However , I feel my beliefs/rights to believe as I see fit, have been denigrated by advocates w/out cause ! That doesn't matter.

I truly believe in this small way an admission to this question would be an example of honesty !
See the issue isn't really the behaviors to me it is the way the campaign has been done.
I believe an answer w/ out the retorts and deflection would not endanger anyones' standing in the community and or support there of!

Let's just get real here Mayor Brennan is just pandering and the voters of Portland had nothing to do with this.
Ever ask why they pander so much after victory?

Just answer the question! Honestly !

Melvin Udall
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So, charlotte, do large

So, charlotte, do large workplaces still put couches/lounges in the ladies room for when they were feeling the effects of womanhood?

Chris Coose
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Bruce, You aren't going to

Bruce, You aren't going to get the answer you so desire because we knew you had your answer long before you typed this thread, making it intelectually dishonest at least and pathetic at best.

So here goes. You ready for it?
The city of Portland has developed a special offer due to the overwhelming city response to Question 1.

Rocket surgery. Now call my friend the mayor. You want me to look up his number for you?

charlotte
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Bruce...why not say it...you

Bruce...why not say it...you are fine with special rights as long as they are limited to heterosexual couples. I am proud of Portland...

Reaganite
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Interesting similarities in

Interesting similarities in claims among those who wished to deny women basic rights and those today who wish to deny gay people basic rights.

Don't you watch the news, lucky? Gay people have the "right" to marry.

Reaganite
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Many gays and lesbians in

Many gays and lesbians in long term relationships have and do pay more in taxes. Example, many pay taxes on their partner's health care benefits (due to the fact that they are not considered a legal couple). For example.

charlotte: Please take note that I said local taxes. However, after reading the above, I'm surprised that liberals are in favor of gay marriage. It apparently may reduce tax revenues, leaving less income to be redistributed.

FLAMMENWERFER
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Whatever our opinions of

Whatever our opinions of Charlotte, we must admit that invoking her name stirs up a lot of traffic.

Bruce Libby
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Just not a answer to a simple

Just not a answer to a simple question!

Butch Moore
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"The city of Portland has

"The city of Portland has developed a special offer due to the overwhelming city response to Question 1."

Chris, it sounds like you've confirmed that the original "equal, not special" is now "special, not equal" as was predicted. Bruce, there's your answer.

So, has anyone heard when the lawsuits will start, or is that not public info yet?

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Sodom and Gomorrah open for

Sodom and Gomorrah open for business!....how appropriate they open at midnight with deeds best done in the dark.

David Allen
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Butch, perhaps you are

Butch, perhaps you are unaware that it has been illegal to discriminate against someone because of his or her sexual orientation since since 2005. The law was passed by the legislature and survived a people's veto attempt. That means that lodges, restaurants, entities that rent facilities to the public, etc. cannot refuse to accomodate someone because of sexual orientation. I haven't heard of anyone being sued in Maine for violating the law over the last seven years, though perhaps it has happened. I don't know why anyone would start violating the law now just because gay marriage is about to become legal.

Butch Moore
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David, perhaps you're

David, perhaps you're ignoring the fact that up until now, there hasn't been a way to sue a church for not allowing a gay couple to marry within it. Then again, perhaps you knew and were intentionally trying to obscure the question so no one would answer it?

Apollo
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We're going to have a

We're going to have a People's Veto to throw out gay marriage next year anyway.

Apollo
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Supreme Court may overturn
Bruce Libby
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Charlotte I am fine with

Charlotte
I am fine with whatever will bring you and others happiness.
Just do not use terms /phrases like "Equal not Special" and then not be honest to admit in this one small
occasion it is indeed special.

I have very honestly stated my position here and in other threads.
Yet I have been told I am intellectually dishonest ,do not know love in a certain way amongst other things.

Chris you do not agree with me but all you had to do is say I will not answer that , I can't etc. etc. instead I get something I do not believe I have ever given to you in a thread.
You will note I have not commented on any post about lawsuits etc. I have limited this to my original question.

If nothing else this has been a fine example of why acceptance is a long way off for many and it isn't the the same sex behaviors it
is the attitudes . May everyone enjoy their equality not special status after a special accommodation is made for those who wish to get license on Dec. 29th!

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