Random drug testing for welfare? DHHS Issues

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Melvin Udall
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Very good, VK. And I might

Very good, VK.

And I might add that in my experience, not only are the "needy" given a sense of entitlement, but their families take on the second degree of that....the belief that the government should step in and take care of their family members. I saw this nearly 10 years ago at a local meeting, and it really took me aback.

The person speaking showed no sense of personal involvement; he just wanted the state to take care of things for him.

Naran
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Department of Health and

Department of Health and Human Services’ MaineCare proposal criticized

By Mal Leary, Capitol News Service
Posted Jan. 25, 2011, at 8:57 p.m.

AUGUSTA, Maine — The (DHHS)... is proposing to change the way disabled Mainers apply for MaineCare... in Gov. Paul LePage’s supplemental budget. On Tuesday, the plan drew fire from several groups saying it not only is unfair, but also may be illegal.

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Acting DHHS Commissioner Russell Begin said the proposal would move the 45-day trigger for coverage to 90 days ... designed to save the state an estimated $3 million.

[url=http://new.bangordailynews.com/2011/01/25/news/department-of-health-and-...

Naran
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Demand for general assistance

Demand for general assistance at critical point in Bangor

By Eric Russell, BDN Staff
Posted Jan. 26, 2011, at 10:11 p.m.

BANGOR, Maine — In the six years that Shawn Yardley has overseen the city’s health and community services department, he has never seen things this dire.

On most mornings ... Yardley unlocks the door for residents who are waiting to fill out an application for general assistance. ... Some have to wait for hours but they are always seen.
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Yardley ... ask(ed).. permission to hire a temporary caseworker to help meet what he called unprecedented demand.

[url=http://new.bangordailynews.com/2011/01/26/news/bangor/demand-for-general...

Naran
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Posted: January 29 Democrats:

Posted: January 29

Democrats: Maine Medicaid head wrongly fired
Critics fear the MaineCare chief was replaced because he told the truth about stable spending.

By Tom Bell tbell@mainetoday.com
MaineToday Media State House Writer

AUGUSTA — Some Democrats are upset with the LePage administration's decision to fire the state's Medicaid director, saying it sends a message to other senior staffers not to distribute facts that challenge Republican ideology.

Anthony Marple, 63, who oversaw Maine's $2.6 billion-a-year Medicaid program for four years, was fired on Jan. 13, one day after he appeared before the Legislature's powerful Appropriations Committee.

[url=http://www.pressherald.com/news/democrats-medicaid-head-wrongly-fired_20...

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Most telling is the "news" in the story is buried down the page, after all the protests from the Democrats. This isn't a news story as much as it's a "bash-LePage" session.

Melvin Udall
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Good find, Naran. You are

Good find, Naran. You are exactly right; windfall federal bailout money held down state costs.

Regardless, we're spending about $8,600 per Medicaid client, or in round numbers, about $36,000 for a 'family of four.' And that's an AVERAGE.

And people complain about the cost of private insurance?

Melvin Udall
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This recent news was passed
Naran
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Posted: February 16 Maine

Posted: February 16

Maine cities troubled by welfare cuts
Officials predict the plan will shift costs to Portland and Bangor and force more people into homeless shelters.

By John Richardson jrichardson@mainetoday.com
Staff Writer

PORTLAND — Welfare assistance cutbacks proposed at the state level could shift the cost of providing aid onto the taxpayers of Portland and Bangor
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"There's absolutely a huge budgetary impact," said Doug Gardner, director of Portland's Health and Human Services ....

"I would suspect we would have several hundred people being homeless almost immediately," said Shawn Yardley, Bangor's health and community services director.

[url=http://www.pressherald.com/news/big-cities-troubled-by-welfare-cuts_2011...

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Let's say this shift to municipal budgets does happen. First, most cities get 50% reimbursement for some kinds of general assistance they provide. So, they may be up for more funding in that manner. Second, if the new state budget pays for more education funding, the figures may come out even, in the wash.

I'm not saying the numbers will come out even, but one has to look at the whole balance sheet, before deciding "disaster" is coming for municipalities as a result of the welfare cuts.

Small Town Selectman
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The vast majority of larger

The vast majority of larger Maine cities receive GA reimbursement at 90% based on the policy below:

Once a municipality has incurred net General Assistance costs in any fiscal year in excess of
.0003 of its most recent state valuation relative to the state fiscal year, and the Department has
determined that the municipality has complied with state law regarding General Assistance, it is
entitled to reimbursement of 90% of their net General Assistance costs from the Department of
Health and Human Services (§4311(1)).

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A few observations: The cost

A few observations:

The cost of administration for these programs is more costly than the down
stream funds headed toward welfare reciepants
It funds a dependant class of Govt. administraters and non-profilts that have an
umbilical relationship with Govt. Welfare is their industry. Or today "Social Justice".

The food stamp program should only allow unprepaired food.

Look at what that change would do for Mainecare costs.

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I like Emmeric's point.

I like Emmeric's point. I'm against all drug testing. This moral crusade mentality makes big government bigger and more expensive and more intrusive. From a libertarian viewpoint the reasoning is laughable. Great freedom requires great responsibility, thus nanny state drug testing can't foster productive citizenry. Can the proponents better explain their reasoning? Should we destroy responsibility in order to save it?

Naran
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Tell us again, Democrats -

Tell us again, Democrats - there's "no" welfare fraud in Maine, right?

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Posted: May 10

Antiguan facing deportation for identity theft
Besouro Abdul Zagon is accused of fraudulently getting $250,000 in government benefits in 10 years.

By David Hench dhench@mainetoday.com
Staff Writer

PORTLAND — ...Portland man faces... 15 years in prison and deportation... on charges that he stole ...identity, then obtained $250,000 in government housing, medical, food and education benefits...snip

... using an Illinois man's Social Security number since 1986, when he first got a passport in the name of Earl Benjamin Jr....snip

...benefits include $76,000 in housing vouchers, $66,000 in health benefits, $51,000 in food assistance and $58,000 in education assistance.

Zagon...has five children....

The children were granted citizenship based on Zagon's fraudulent citizenship...

[url=http://www.pressherald.com/news/antiguan-facing-deportation-for-identity...

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Bets on the crying from the social services crowd that his wife and kids shouldn't also be deported, but should be allowed to stay here, illegally?

Naran
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Received via

Received via email:

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Can you imagine how much money each state would save If people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?

I guess we could call the program "URINE OR YOU'RE OUT"!

Melvin Udall
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Libero: I'm all for freedom,

Libero: I'm all for freedom, but freedom to steal the money out of my pocket for years and years is not the kind of freedom I'm interested in.

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Mandatory drug tests will

Mandatory drug tests will address a symptom of the problem but is in no way a solution. We have to personalize the entire system which means making it less convenient for everyone. Qualifying for aid must begin at the town or county level.

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Simple. stop giving out

Simple. stop giving out money. give out.....well, give out those large tins of chipped beef, and large blocks of cheese...that is what my family got for welfare back when I was growing up. Oh, and spam too, give out tins of spam.

Melvin Udall
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And haggis.

And haggis.

Naran
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Having recently been to the

Having recently been to the Highland Games, I can guarantee that Haggis on the SNAP menu would make most anybody look for a job, no matter what it took.
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ps - no offense to anybody who likes the stuff; I have nothing against Scottish food in general, but I'll take a Scotch Egg over Haggis, any old Hayday.

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Haggis, which is a lovely sheep's stomach stuffed with various minced sheep organs, suet and oatmeal, and roasted.


Scotch Eggs, which are hardboiled hen's eggs covered with ground sausage and bread crumbs, and deep-fried until golden.

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This year's Highland Games included a Haggis Hurl, which is about what I think of the stuff. They couldn't throw it far enough, to suit me.

Melvin Udall
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Scotch eggs are great; made

Scotch eggs are great; made them years ago for a gala college reunion weekend picnic.

As much wine as we drank that day, I don't think I could have done the haggis.

Spider
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No like Haggis? Ever try

No like Haggis? Ever try Tripe? Kidneys maybe? Heck they even had brains in the store when I was a kid.

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Tripe , liver and kidneys

Tripe , liver and kidneys suck but beef tongue and heart are really good...Chicken hearts and gizzard are also tastey...

Edited to add..We also got the "government food" for a spell when I was a kid...I remember it ALL TO WELL....LOL...

Naran
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Updated: 1:43 PM LePage:

Updated: 1:43 PM
LePage: Welfare recipients should be drug tested

By Susan M. Cover scover@mainetoday.com
MaineToday Media State House Writer

JAY — Gov. Paul LePage ...will propose legislation .. to require random drug testing for welfare recipients.

I'm going to ask the Legislature to allow us to do what every truck driver in the United States of America has to do, take a random test,” he said. “I think if we're going to take our own limited resources, we ought to be able to test 'em on occasion.”

.... LePage gave an overview of accomplishments...and previewed some of his goals ...

[url=http://www.pressherald.com/news/LePage-Welfare-recipients-should-be-drug... the newest howls of outrage from the Left.[/url]

Naran
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The howls of outrage

The howls of outrage continue, including false accusations that the Governor is guilty of all manner of "hatred" toward poor people.

During his remarks about requiring drug testing for welfare recipients, he cited an email received by the DHHS from a woman "shopping" for the best benefits for her family. Here's the email:

The email didn't go to the Governor directly. It was sent to Scott Perkins at the DHHS. The email author is clearly shopping for the best "free" deal she can get, in pre-school, food stamp, and health benefits.

Here's the link showing Scott Perkins, who is an employee in the DHHS Constituent Affairs department. http://www.maine.gov/dhhs/org-...

Perkins forwarded the email to Patricia Condon at the Governor's office, as an example of the "benefit shopping" that does occur.

There have been some complaints that the email author's information wasn't "redacted," and that this is somehow an invasion of her privacy.

As I pointed out, If the name, address, phone number and email address had been redacted, people would cry "foul" because they'd say it wasn't a real email from someone looking for benefits. They'd claim it was "fake," as they did with the email complaining about the DOL mural.

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Spider reports: "No like

Spider reports:
"No like Haggis? Ever try Tripe? Kidneys maybe? Heck they even had brains in the store when I was a kid."

They had whale and horse at the meat counter when I was a kid. I have eaten both and broken cookies were half price.

Ugenetoo
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They had whale and horse at

They had whale and horse at the meat counter when I was a kid. I have eaten both and broken cookies were half price

You a old buzzard!

Naran
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The buzzard was only for sale

The buzzard was only for sale in the back room, to special customers.

Stephen Carmichael
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Politically this is a big

Politically this is a big move, However it may not pass the strait face test in the legislature.

Naran
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Time will tell. Some states

Time will tell. Some states have passed similar laws, and the caveat appears to be the recipient cannot be made to pay for the drug testing. Any such proposal in Maine would need extensive review and careful formulation.

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Meanwhile, Portland and other Maine cities are seeing a large influx of Maine residents from other parts of the state, as jobs disappear and BUC benefits dry up.

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Posted: November 5

Navigating the poverty line
As the ranks of the unemployed grow dramatically in Portland and the state, so do pressures on the city's social safety net.

By John Richardson jrichardson@mainetoday.com
Staff Writer

PORTLAND –...snip

.... dramatic increases in... unemployed people who have exhausted savings and unemployment benefits and are seeking help for the first time at Portland's food pantries, soup kitchens and welfare offices.

The number .... seeking General Assistance in Portland to pay for rent, heat or other necessities has nearly tripled in the past four years .....

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Portland's General Assistance budget...partly paid by the state, doubled in the past five years, from $3.4 million to $6.8 million ....

[url=http://www.pressherald.com/news/navigating-the-poverty-line_2011-11-05.h...

pmrmsm
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From Naran's post and link in

From Naran's post and link in #201:

The budget has some money or provisions set aside for those who receive TANF if they have a prior drug felony conviction for drug testing. The governor would like to expand this to people who are moving in from out of state that would like to take advantage of our system.

So, this would not be applied to those on SNAP or Mainecare at this point, but I guess we have to start somewhere.

Naran
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Plans to drug test welfare

Plans to drug test welfare recipients gain momentum

By BEN NEARY and IVAN MORENO, The Associated Press
Posted Feb. 25, 2012

CHEYENNE, Wyo. — Conservatives who say welfare recipients should have to pass a drug test to receive government assistance have momentum on their side.

....front-runner Mitt Romney saying it’s an “excellent idea.”

...two dozen states ... considering plans... make drug testing mandatory for welfare recipients, according to...National Conference of State Legislatures. ...Wyoming lawmakers advanced ...proposal this week.

[url=http://bangordailynews.com/2012/02/25/politics/plans-to-drug-test-welfar...

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