Restaurant owner shaken by armed wardens seizure of fish

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Restaurant owner shaken by armed wardens seizure of fish

July 24, 2006

FREEPORT, Maine --Armed game wardens seized 10 exotic fish from the tank of a popular Chinese restaurant, leaving its owner shaken and outraged.

"They treated me like a criminal," said Cuong Ly, who escaped from Vietnam 25 years ago. "I lived under communism and I felt like I'm back there again."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=61791

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They left the cats alone?

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[quote]The koi had been on display since Ly opened the restaurant nearly 15 years ago and he credited them for bringing good luck to the business in a way akin to the arrangement of articles in the ancient Chinese practice of feng shui.

A few years ago, however, Maine outlawed the importation and possession of koi, and Ly was charged with importing freshwater fish without a permit.

The koi were transported to the Little Shop of Pets in Portsmouth, N.H., which agreed to let Ly buy them back.[/quote]

Oh, how kind of them. :roll: The guy's had these fish nearly 15 years, according to him. Seems to me they should have been grandfathered under the new laws forbidding their possession.

In any case, sounds like possible authoritarian overkill, in the "raid" sense.

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I can see the game wardens now...shotgun...check, bullet proof vest...check, cool looking warden cap...check, koi container...check...

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This action on the part of the wardens is truly without cause, IMHO. He was "grandfathered" in this case. 15 years for heaven sake. Is this really becoming a police state???
This smacks of the same behavior a few years ago in a road block in Corinna at the end of holiday weekend. The junior/newbie wardens tore apart coolers, broke eggs, and generally ransacked people's campers in a search for fish. Lots of complaints filed led to them backing off. Sounds like it's time to blow the horn again!

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Maybe he stopped handing over the free egg rolls, and somebody took revenge.

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I dunno'. We don't want these foreign species in our waters, as evidenced by the weird species working it's way south - big teeth I understand. But, they could have been somewhat gentler about all of this. He could have been made to promise to dispose of any koi through them, for example. Sheesh! What a warped world we live in.

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OH I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT PAUL!

I've never seen a kitty-cat in downtown Freeport, Have you? I know some of the dogs are safe as they are on leashes and with their owners.

Now I'm wondering about thr TRUTH IN ADVERTIZING: A Chinese Restaurant with a Vietamise owner? Are the cooks of the country it's portraying? Hummm, D.H.H.S. will need to check that out.

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Americans wouldn't eat real Chinese food or Thai or whatever.
Nothing like going by a butcher shop in South Korea and see Rover hanging there.
So when someone sings "The cat's in the kettle at the Peking Moon".............

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[quote="BlueJay"]The junior/newbie wardens tore apart coolers, broke eggs, and generally ransacked people's campers in a search for fish. Lots of complaints filed led to them backing off.[/quote]
Lacking a warrant, I would assume that the wardens asked permssion to search. All one has to do is say no, right?

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Koi are illegal in Maine? How the heck is anyone supposed to know that?! What about regular ol' goldfish? They cost a dime a dozen, are readily available at the local pet store and are FAR MORE HARDY and resistant to disease than the high-brow Koi that cost 10 times as much and are owned by folks who would most certainly not release them into the wild--chances are much higher that they would have a living will or trust fund to ensure they be passed down to surviving relatives.

Just wow.

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And to think that those Koi, here illegally, were just doing display work that striped bass and American Shad wouldn't do for $50 an hour............................................

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ARMED wildlife agents! What did they expect, killer fish....

This is an agency suffering delusions of competence.

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They dont make wardens like they used too.....

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[quote="KathyP"]Koi are illegal in Maine? How the heck is anyone supposed to know that?! What about regular ol' goldfish? They cost a dime a dozen, are readily available at the local pet store and are FAR MORE HARDY and resistant to disease than the high-brow Koi that cost 10 times as much and are owned by folks who would most certainly not release them into the wild--chances are much higher that they would have a living will or trust fund to ensure they be passed down to surviving relatives.

Just wow.[/quote]

I believe it is illegal in Maine to build a goldfish pond in your lawn and fill it. I know a guy in Orrington they raided for this a few years back. Must not have much to do some days!

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It is time to completely reinvent this agency and totally
reevaluate what the hell we are paying for with our tax dollars and fees.
Look the pursuit of poachers and such desperados is legitimate I guess but
when we are going to this length it is time to stop and smell the bait I think.
I visit the Brunswick China Rose and have gotten to know this persons wife
who runs the restaurant. I doubt you will find a harder working business person
in the area and as kind as one could ask for.
This behavior is completely unnecessary and totally counter productive to
this agencies purpose.
I hope if CW is elected he will attempt to rein in these people. When one considers just the cost of this idiocy
it is amazing, Let's see two wardens that proably means two 4x4 pickups ,at 12 miles a gallon at best
proably less since they surely had a 4 wheeler in back , in case a high speed Koi escape occurred.
This is one of many reasons believe it or not that people who don't fish or hunt
don't think highly of the sports. These numb skulls just make it all look like idiots.
Thank God they are supported by your fees on hunting etc.. :idea: Idea time everyone don't hunt for one year,
no fishing for a year, no Wardens next year. Loss children seem always to be saved by volunteers anyway.

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[quote="Punk Freud"]And to think that those Koi, here illegally, were just doing display work that striped bass and American Shad wouldn't do for $50 an hour............................................[/quote]

That's funny.
:lol:

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2 cat, no tail.

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[quote="Paul Mattson"]... Cuong Ly, who escaped from Vietnam 25 years ago. "I lived under communism and I felt like I'm back there again."[/quote]
I'm surprised that no one commented on this statement, but chose instead to ridicule the culture and Chinese restaurants.

China Rose is a well established and very well respected icon in Freeport. I've been to the Chinese New Years celebration dinner there many times.

Funny how it takes a new American, a refugee from communism, to point out the obvious.

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Michael, I hope you don't think I was ridiculing Chinese culture or Chinese restaurants.

However, I beg you to consider - exactly how PC are we supposed to be on here, again?

Can I still make Jewish jokes? (seeing as I'm half or three-quarters, depending on which way you slice the pie).

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[quote="JIMV"]ARMED wildlife agents! What did they expect, killer fish....

This is an agency suffering delusions of competence.[/quote]

Let's not forget our armed EPA agents, Jim. As the owner of 2 of the deadly 3.2 gallon flush toilets, I expect my door to be smashed in at any minute.

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[quote="Michael Vaughan"][quote="Paul Mattson"]... Cuong Ly, who escaped from Vietnam 25 years ago. "I lived under communism and I felt like I'm back there again."[/quote]
I'm surprised that no one commented on this statement, but chose instead to ridicule the culture and Chinese restaurants.

China Rose is a well established and very well respected icon in Freeport. I've been to the Chinese New Years celebration dinner there many times.

Funny how it takes a new American, a refugee from communism, to point out the obvious.[/quote]

He is back there again....

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Many choose to blindly deny it, but this country IS rapidily becoming a police state. That is the reason the politicians do not want a Fully Informed Jury. This last session, the Maine politicians (legislators) passed over 700 new laws. Can you name five of them? How many of these unknown laws have you broken today?
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[quote="Naran"]

In any case, sounds like possible authoritarian overkill, in the "raid" sense.

[/quote]

Sounds to me like a reporter that is using good verbage to get the best ratings for their newspaper. Raid is a pretty powerfull word that conjours up images of guns drawn and battering rams throwing people on the floor and handcuffing them, maybe a few gas grenades or flash-bangs. In reality, they walked in the front door carrying buckets and holding tanks, handed the guy a signed search warrant and took what was described in the warrant. My God, they had a biologist with them do you really think they would take a biologist on a Raid?

As to the fact where the first line reads "Armed wildlife agents" What do you expect? It is part of their uniform. They carry handguns!!! They are always armed.

Biggest crime in the world? Absolutely not. But we all know that if these fish ever got into a watershed we all would be crying why didn't the Wardens do anything about it. Another thing to consider, and I don't know anything about the life cycle of Koi, is this guy has several fish probably male and female that they will probably breed, spawn or however you want to say it. What happens to the babies? Probably due to the high price dealers get for them, they will be sold if not sold then flushed or put in some other water source. Our waters are too valuable a resource to risk invasion of a highly destructive fish such as Koi. IMHO

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Regardless, it still sounds like overkill to me and I would have to say someone didn't like these folks for some reason. There's lots of other more relevant "fish to fry" out there I would think. The whole mentality of rule with an iron fist, let's make an example out of someone, is giving me the heebie jeebies.

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Kathy I don't think it is that at all. If they were trying to make an example they would have made arrests or issued summonses. The newspaper article didn't mention this at all and due to the biased nature of the article it certainlty would have mentioned it if it had happened. All they did was take the fish. If this were a communist state as the owner referred to he would have been beaten and hauled to prison.

Due to the nature of invasive species there is not a lot that can be done until information is received. Or if the person with the fish is caught. All it takes is one person with a 5 gallon pail of fish to dump it into a small feeder brook or even a pond and it can have a dramatic effect on a whole watershed. Look at a map and find your favorite body of water and then trace it both upstream and then to the ocean. It is a whole lot of area that could be infected/affected. A lot of the illegal stockings are accidental, but it doeasn't make it any less harmful.

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The West Grand chain was a magnificent fishery for brook trout and landlocked salmon. Then somebody who ran a sporting camp wanted the vacationers to have some good fishing in August so he introduced small mouth bass. For a couple of generations they were called "Johnson fish" in the area. The state figured they would solve the problem by eliminating stringers where sportsmen could keep their catch fresh all day. You can't buy ice on that chain and there are no marinas.

Bass are being illegally introduced all over Maine along with northern pike and muskies. Some fool put white perch in Mossehead and got caught, but most of these stockings are discovered a couple of years after they happen after the large mouth bass have had a chance to spawn.

Stringers are not the problem. Live wells and bait tanks are the problem.

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Since the fish in question are 15 years old, one could reasonably assume that if they were to breed, they would have already done so.

These fish are not cheap to purchase, and this particular owner would be unlikely to simply release any babies into a nearby pond or lake. If anything, he would probably either keep them, or sell them to another pet owner who would keep them confined. Unlike some home pet owners, he obviously had the money and the large tanks necessary to properly care for them in his restaurant, and knew how large they could get. Surely at 15 years of age, these were full grown.

I understand the dangers of accidental or purposeful stocking of a certain species in the wild, and I understand that laws to protect Maine waters have to be in place. But this case is clearly one of bureaucratic overkill.

They should be grandfathered under the current laws, and shouldn't have been removed.

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Roger
You can still use stringers to keep your catch fresh, you just have to kill them as soon as you catch them. The not keeping fish alive law was put into place to prevent incidental mortality. People would catch fish and put them on the wire stringers and keep them in the water alive until they caught a bigger fish. They would release the smaller one and keep the larger fish. Unfortunately after releasing the smaller one it would all too often end up expiring. Especially if you are bringing up fish fron 30-50 feet down where the water temp is 50 degrees and then placing a wire stringer through their mouth and gills and dragging them behind a boat in the water where surface temps are running about 70 degrees. Not very healthy for a salmonid. (salmon, trout, togue or whitefish)

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