[quote="mooseman"]...example they would have made arrests or issued summonses. .... the biased ..article ..would have mentioned it if it had happened. All they did was take the fish. If this were a communist state as the owner referred to he would have been beaten and hauled to prison..[/quote]
Or worse, have this happen during dinner hour, in front of customers, where the Wardens are trying to make an example out of this person.
Let me get this straight, the Rangers, Or Wardens came into Freeport, to video the fish that have been there for over 15 years, then made a remark that they were Ilegal.
(NOTE TO ANY BUSINESS OWNER do not let anyone video on your property)
So the Wardens were messing with this mans business, during Business hours?
if not Commuinst, MAFIA characteristics come to mind.
I know Cuong Ly from my time at Freeport (software dev), and talking to this businessman he is truely one to model your business after.
The Wardens have dis-respected him, they could have investigated with Cuong Ly before the Storm Trooper style, search and take.
One has to ask themself if they Fish were legal when he bought them?
One also has to wonder what kind of Vial person would report to "THe Man" this businessman.
Moose, Sorry you can try to explain it, but the Paper tells the story and now there is a PR issue for the Waden service.
Who turned him in? I hope they check their food carefully if they eat there again :D
It's great to see our state is working on important issues. Ask them about Milfoil and they won't do anything. We have a lake with 80% coverage of milfoil in Waterboro and the state feels they have it "under control". At least we don't have any illegal fish.
The one thing I wasn't impressed with when I saw an iterview with the restaurant owner.....he referred to his freedom of religion and discrimination. I'm so tired of hearing that lame excuse. Just tell them you want your fish back and don't try getting all PC. Try being a white male sometime, we have no excuses......yet. C'Mon Baldacci, a white male rights bill is desperately needed :D
There are illegal fish in aquariums all over the state. When the Warden's would give the owners notice, they would move the fish to a different location, so now days they get a warrant and arrive unexpectedly to make sure the fish are still at the location. There are more than bass and pike in peoples home aquariums, there are pirhanas and other illegal species. The inland fishing industry brings hundreds of million in revenue to the State.
[quote]Who turned him in? [/quote]
Two educated guesses:
1. A disgruntled ex-employee
2. A competing restaurant
IF&W enforcement works almost exclusively on tips and snitches. Sometimes they wind up with embarassing results. Other times they crack very important cases. IMO: This ain't a very important case.
No what ifs', no maybes are worth treatment of anyone such as this!
Since fish were in captivity a process of accommodation could and should have been
given. By the sounds of this story wardens aren't to concerned about fish in future they are
out of state and out of control of IFW goons. What to say they aren't already in someone else's tank
by now. :shock:
Since there was a biologist with the raid party why didn't they just do a vasectomy on male fish?
Realizing their mistake Gov. Baldi orders Me. National Guard to invade N. H. to return fish to custody!
First objective will be staging area for assault of pet store, liquor store at rotary :!:
There's quite the conversation going on that article site - I have never seen so many reader comments, it's up over 70 and climbing every minute.
The one from General McDuff is hilarious, and strangely reminiscent of one of AMG's most learned wordsmiths.
[quote][b]Major General McDuff, Warden of Vacationland, ME[/b]
Jul 25, 2006 12:14 PM
Let this serve as an remarkable example to all the other brazen restauranteurs hell-bent on mayhem and aquarium upkeep of exotic fish that unlawful possession of pet fish is a serious and punishable offense second only to crack trafficking, bear grooming, and reckless dumping of Moxie into the Allagash.[/quote]
[url=http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/news/local/060725exoticfish.shtml?prev... from the Readers[/url]
I can imagine.....this news is huge. Hopefully the governor puts this up on the campaign....ooops....I meant state website.
[quote="Naran"]There's quite the conversation going on that article site - I have never seen so many reader comments, it's up over 70 and climbing every minute.[/quote]
Indeed - I bet at this very moment, Governor Gimmick is PERSONALLY dispatching a special convoy of state biologists and troopers, to retrieve the koi from New Hamster. Why, I bet he'll even [u]personally[/u] return them to the Ly family, just in time for tonight's 6:00 news.
The same Convoy of Political types used to hustle the Mill Buyers to Old Town.
This issue is growing.
This IS an example of how crazy these rules are becoming.
Crazy is all I can say.
Has Maine ever gotten any good press in national coverage?
Nope, we can not even get good press in regards to a Wind Farm, up near Sugar Loaf.
Noda, Nothing, Ziltch, Oh wait a minute, we did get some good press, no more cruise ships for Portland.
They are afraid of killer KOI :lol:
"First they came for the Koi..."
1.) If these fish were so dangerous why did wardens leave them for two days before seizing?
2.) Can owner get a trial in superior court on these charges?
3.) Why has evidence of crime been removed from State and does this deny
accused the right to put on a defense by presenting evidence?
It would appear that there is no continuity of evidence here!
4.) It has been reported that owner can get them back by paying for them?
If correct and he does so and is found not guilty of violation is state liable for damages?
Just some thoughts for our lawyers amongst us.
How about a giant demonstration in Freeport protesting this event and supporting Ly.
Well at least the fish have refuge in New Hampster.
This will be a good campaign ad. Baldacci deports 15 year Maine Citizens to New Hampster. Fish today ~ People Tomorrow.
The newscast this evening stated that Ly will leave them in Massachusetts with relatives after he buys them back from the pet shop. He [u]cannot[/u] legally bring them back to Maine.
In addition, he faces a potential $10,000 fine for their possession at the restaurant.
He stated this evening he may file a complaint against the wardens for the manner in which the entire incident was handled.
Is seized property supposed to be disposed of in this way?
Did someone on AMG post this to FARK.com?
If so, great headline:
[quote]Underwater koi terrorist cell operating out of Maine chinese restaurant busted by jack-booted game wardens. Untold horror avoided yet again thanks to our benevolent government overlords[/quote]
Golf clap... 8)
[b]It figures--IF&W goes after a few exotic fish in a tank in a resturant lobby but they can't seem to stop Northern Pike or Bass from spreading everywhere that they are not wanted.
Tom O - t'wasn't I, said the Little Red Hen. Again, it sounds very much like the Major General McDuff character posting on the PPH article thread.
I suspect a FLAMMENWERFER at "werk."
[quote="JIMV"]ARMED wildlife agents! What did they expect, killer fish....
This is an agency suffering delusions of competence.[/quote]
Why do government agencies need armed police departments? It's like the ATF, they have an armored battlion and they can't wait to use it on American citizens.
A NET WOULD DO.
[quote]Largemouth Bass In New Brunswick River Of Grave Concern
"It costs taxpayers and industry millions of dollars to mitigate the effects of introduced species. We all must do everything we possibly can to avoid the release of these exotics to the wild."
[quote="Tom C"] It's like the ATF[/quote]
Dept. of [b]A[/b]mphibians, [b]T[/b]rees, and [b]F[/b]ish?
[quote="Paul Mattson"]Fish today ~ People Tomorrow.[/quote]
So let me get this straight...
This guy has some goldfish in a fish tank for years,
he's not releasing them into the lakes and streams,
they are for show in his restaurant, in a fishtank,
so they go in and seize the chubby little goldfish,
and IF&W wardens swoop in and take the fish to NH to some pet store,
where the guy can buy back his own fish but not bring them home,
but as the sory unfolds we find out that they (IF&W)knew they
(the fish)were there before they took them away
but waited, maybe to discuss the tactical plans for the capture of the offending fishies,
and now the state stands to make $10,000 in fine money
because this guy had these fish in a FRIGGIN Fish tank?
Please tell me this is a joke,
Please tell me this is a skit in MAD magazine to poke fun at the Game Wardens.
Please tell me that while we have poor coverage dealing with the noise and safety infractions with boaters on the lakes that the Wardens aren't spending their time patroling FISHTANKS instead of stopping unsafe boaters.
OH MY GOODNESS!!! THIS HAS TO BE THE MOST,
AND I MEAN THE MOST, STUPIDEST, REDICULOUS, LAME BRAINED, HORRIBLE PUBLIC RELATIONS, NONSENSE I HAVE EVER HEARD IN MY LIFE.
REMEMBER RUBY RIDGE, THIS IS RUBY RIDGE ALL OVER BUT WITH GOLDFISH, IT'S "REMEMBER RUBY FOOD" OR WHATEVER THE NAME OF THE RESTAURANT IS, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
OK so I went back and re read the story, it's " REMEMBER CHINA ROSE" not Ruby Food and what continues to amaze me is that some judge signed a search warrant for the goldfish.
Did the warden service guys go to the judges house in the middle of the night and wake him up and say "Sir, we need a warrant for the China Rose Restaurant, you see he's got some fish in a fish tank...10 minutes into the story the judge grabs the warrant signs it , throws it at the game warden and laughs, " it's your ass buddy"
(the above is a purely hypothetical fictional theory and does not represent any person or persons living or dead.)
There are legitimate questions about how IF&W went about enforcing the law, but it should be noted that they do not make the law -- the Legislature does.
There are also blue laws in some places that are still on the books.
I guess the law does not have a grandfathering in it, I am not a lawyer, but do like to poke fun at a big big big big waste of tax payers money, that continues to make Maine the laughing stock of the US.
Bet Letterman drops a joke about it, or maybe Jay Leno.
The sad fact, is that this law actually got on the books.