Romans 13:1-7 During Troubled Times

10 posts / 0 new
Last post
Stephen Carmichael
Offline
Last seen: 2 years 5 months ago
Joined: 06/19/2008 - 8:05pm
Romans 13:1-7 During Troubled Times

Romans 13: 1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong.

Link to Bible Gateway

What are we to make of this during such times of distrust of govenment?

An interesting read on the misuse of this passage: LINK "But here is the rub: Romans 13 has absolutely nothing to do with one's relationship to the government, whether the Roman Empire in the first century or any government today."

So why the original question? Well I found it on this Christian Police Association Site Link

Tom C
Offline
Last seen: 14 hours 7 min ago
Joined: 01/03/2006 - 6:00pm
Many faithful LEOs look to

Many faithful LEOs look to Romans 13 to see their role in God's Kingdom on earth.

KennyRoberts
Offline
Last seen: 15 hours 59 min ago
Joined: 01/18/2005 - 1:01am
I certainly cannot go along

I certainly cannot go along with how these experts interpret Romans 13.
The God of the Bible is a God of laws. God appoints kings and rulers. It has nothing to do with the people running the synagogs.
The early gentile church did not worship in synagogs, they had home churches. The apostle John sent itinerant preachers to towns to hold services, the other apostles likely did also. They appointed pastors and preachers, not rabbis.

The USA has had and has now less than honorable persons in leadership. They are a product of our hedonistic materialistic society. God is withdrawing His protection from this heathen people because they reject Him. Evil leaders will punish us because we continue to reject sound doctrine and have idiots in the pulpits who preach social gospels.

There is a thread on the other page about republicans endorsing gay marriage. These people don't even have a clue about moral law, how can they be leaders of anything?

Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Hos 4:7 As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.

KennyRoberts
Offline
Last seen: 15 hours 59 min ago
Joined: 01/18/2005 - 1:01am
It is a tough pill to swallow

It is a tough pill to swallow but the needed second witness to Paul's instruction of Romans 13 is given
by Peter as shown below, English Standard Version (ESV)

1Pe 2:13 Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme,
1Pe 2:14 or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good.

1Pe 2:15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people.
1Pe 2:16 Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God.
1Pe 2:17 Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.
1Pe 2:18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust.

We have elected officials who are punishing us through taxes, tainted fuels (ethanol), wars, debt, rules upon rules to where
we are now slaves who pay and pay and pay. I hate it but they reflect the depravity of our people, a spanking from God if you will.

Stephen Carmichael
Offline
Last seen: 2 years 5 months ago
Joined: 06/19/2008 - 8:05pm
When the Israelites where

When the Israelites where freed from bondage and entered into the outskirts of the desert, just after having seen many miracles performed in their perchance, many began to gripe about returning to Egypt and subjecting themselves to the yoke. This was a decisive time of rebilling factions lacking in faith. They would chose bondage over what they perceived as death in the desert. Moses described them as a “stiffed necked people”. It sounds familiar to modern times.

KennyRoberts
Offline
Last seen: 15 hours 59 min ago
Joined: 01/18/2005 - 1:01am
definitely a slave mentality

definitely a slave mentality in the air..
Anyway, YHWH God sent Moses to lead the Hebrew children out of Egypt. Moses confronted Pharaoh
as the ambassador sent to negotiate the release of people who were not Egyptian.

People who rebelled against Moses, including his own sister Miriam and Pharaoh himself, were rebelling against YHWH.

bob emrich
Offline
Last seen: 2 years 3 months ago
Joined: 01/28/2000 - 1:01am
"Subject to governing

"Subject to governing authorities...."
We should not make the mistake of thinking that elected officials are the same as "governing authorities". In our country the "governing authority is the constitution, is it not?

KennyRoberts
Offline
Last seen: 15 hours 59 min ago
Joined: 01/18/2005 - 1:01am
well Bob, it used to be like

well Bob, it used to be like that, we be the people and they work for us.
It seems as though our once constitutional republic has become a socialist democracy and I hear that we
have an emperor who is not significantly challenged by our other employees also who seek to enslave us.

I have lost hope in the ballot box, the jury box has one foot on a banana peel, and the soapbox is force fed
cointel pro propaganda. We shall see, we shall see.

bob emrich
Offline
Last seen: 2 years 3 months ago
Joined: 01/28/2000 - 1:01am
Kenny, It seems that we

Kenny,
It seems that we are headed that direction but I was thinking in terms of my required submission to the "governing authorities". Even though our elected leaders often forsake the constitution, it is still our governing authority. I am not sure I am bound by Scripture to obey those who usurp the constitution or our system of laws simply because they hold an office. The days are coming quickly when we are likely to be tested in this area. Christians should be studying and thinking clearly to understand what God requires.

KennyRoberts
Offline
Last seen: 15 hours 59 min ago
Joined: 01/18/2005 - 1:01am
I certainly agree Bob. I am

I certainly agree Bob. I am merely frustrated by the obvious lack of checks and balances between the three branches of pirates
that are wringing the constitution's neck.

Now, Paul was a Roman, so he would not be a good example of being charged to obey the Roman Emperor. He should do so.
Whatever rules do not violate God's Law are fair game to obey. If rules arise that violate God's Law, then it is a choice between the Colosseum or other forms of execution such as befell Peter.

and then there were the Maccabees...

We are in a stranger dilemma because we are not intended to be ruled over by men, but by a document that is not easily changed.

Many who come here have taken the oath at some time during their lives to protect and defend these founding documents from ALL enemies, both foreign and domestic. This is my ponder point. We are not likely to have a righteous king rise up and set our feet right as a nation.

2Ch 34:33 And Josiah took away all the abominations out of all the countries that pertained to the children of Israel, and made all that were present in Israel to serve, even to serve the LORD their God. And all his days they departed not from following the LORD, the God of their fathers.

Instead I suspect the words of the late Rumanian pastor, Dumitru Duduman, "This is Sodom and Gomorrah, and it will burn", are likely the future we shall see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWr78g4C40Q

And of course, some of us have not difficulty seeing the US as a modern Babylon that will be destroyed in one hour.

As far as what part I will play in this unfolding drama, I have little idea. God is the director of the movie and I expect Him to help me play the role He has envisioned for me in this production, I just pray that I get it right. Being known as "no respecter of persons", did He not come to Peter when Peter was fleeing persecution/death he knew was waiting in Rome and He turned Peter around and sent him to that appointment.
I would hope that He would guide me as He guided Peter.

Log in to post comments