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Michelle Anderson
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And Earl Nickerson helped to

And Earl Nickerson helped to make this one happen!

I'm just saying because he will not be getting the "thank you" email.

Thank you, Earl!!

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Look at this....what great

Look at this....what great news

alter ego
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Beat me to it, guy. Sent cash

Beat me to it, guy. Sent cash again this weekend. You?

TimUwe
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If you missed the grand

If you missed the grand opening of the RP Maine office, you missed a great time. Approximately 200 people were there.

And even more exciting is RP polling in 1st place in the Iowa polls.

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Alter Ego, Sure did

Alter Ego,

Sure did

alter ego
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"...But in fact,

"...But in fact, Representative Ron Paul, the congressman who favors the most minimalist American combat role of any major presidential candidate and who said all of the above quotes, has more financial support from active duty members of the service than any other politician..."

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/22/soldiers-choice/?hp

taxfoe
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"All 172 of of them..." Your

"All 172 of of them..." Your persistent efforts to diminish Ron Paul is getting boring. Wouldn't your time be better spent advancing your candidate or diminishing Obama?

FWIW, I'm 54 and have never taken a political survey. Does that mean all surveys are wrong? It's a representative number and not a thorough count.

I spent the last 2 days in Iowa . . what you see in the news is not what you get. The Des Moines Register had a 2 page piece comparing the styles and attributes of the candidates but I don't recall any ads. I listen to a lot of radio and heard only 1 Newt ad. I spent a few hours at a casino (mobbed!) bar with lots of TV's on different channels and saw a few pieces of a few ads . . 1 each for Mitt, RP and a Sanitarium. Of the four people with whom I spoke more than a greeting, only one (undecided) seemed genuinely interested in the whole process but all were eager to share stories of meeting or knowing someone who has met one or more of the candidates. Finally, as I left this morning and headed north toward Sioux City, there was a Ron Paul poster . . no others . . on the berm of every bridge over I-29!

Roll on, Ron Paul, roll on!

Michelle Anderson
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I really dislike having to

I really dislike having to repeat this over and over, but here we are. This thread opens with this post:

Post here if you are (1) fully committed to the Ron Paul candidacy/campaign and/or (2) sincerely undecided and have question(s) for the rest of us. Otherwise don't post. This is not for detractors and nay sayers. Take your pail/shovel and play elsewhere in AMG. My sandbox, my rules.

Considering Ron Paul unelectable preempts you from posting here altogether. It's that simple. Should you not comply will ask Editor(s) to delete your post.

Please, people, try to comply with that guideline. There are plenty of existing Ron Paul threads which do not have that guideline.

Roger Ek
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Five weeks tomorrow until the

Five weeks tomorrow until the first Maine caucuses. Do you know where your Ron Paul delegates are?

jimcooncat
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I am: 2) sincerely undecided

I am: 2) sincerely undecided and have question(s) for the rest of us.

I've been following Dr. Paul for a while now, and reading a lot about him lately. I've always found his ideas interesting and have learned a lot just by researching what he says so it makes sense to me. The one item I disagree with him on he has stated that he'd leave up to the states, so I'm fine with that. I am a Gulf War veteran and former NATO soldier, well acquainted with anti-Americanism, and believe his foreign policy is the smart way to go for at least the next eight years. I hate the war on drugs and understand the only way to actually beat it is to kill the demand. I think the erosion of individual rights is traitorous, and rail against the openly arrogant corruption of our government and financial institutions.

But there's a few things I'd appreciate all your input on so I can decide just how involved I'm going to get with the campaign. Please don't get upset if I ask a "touchy" question, I'd really like to know your opinion.

1. The ideas he has seem to address a libertarian society which we don't currently have. Though this campaign seems to be addressing a transition much better than the 2008 one did, how will he be able to effect change if he has a Congress that will oppose him at every turn?

2. Is there any talk in his campaign about pursuing the criminals associated with Fleecing of America that was expertly timed with Obama's inauguration?

3. Why on Earth would Dr. Paul, as a presidential candidate, give any vocal support to Bradley Manning or WikiLeaks before a trial? This has me truly upset -- he's certainly entitled to his opinion, but why didn't he just keep it to himself?

4. Dr. Paul is not young, though he's probably healthier than Gingrich or Perry. Personally, I'd fear for Dr. Paul's safety from radicals than a natural demise, but age will be a factor in his perceived electability. Since the other major GOP contenders don't seem compatible, wouldn't it make sense to start talking about VP choices early? I would feel more comfortable voting for him if I knew his successor had the stuff to follow through with the plans.

5. I'm not evangelical; not inclined to phone strangers or knock on doors. If I do end up giving my whole-hearted support, as a Maine resident, what do I do? Show up at a local caucus with a big campaign button on my jacket?

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Dec. 31: I'm surprised this posting hasn't generated some comments, except alter ego sent me a nice pm about #5, thanks! I've kept on reading, mostly keeping up with the current events, and haven't come with any real conclusions -- except on #1, where I can imagine how much fun Congress will have when Dr. Paul gets a big old rubber stamp with "VETO" on it.

Roger Ek
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1. The veto pen. 2. Yes.

1. The veto pen.
2. Yes. Audit the Federal Reserve. That's a good start.
3. Freedom of the press does not extend to state secrets.
4. Not a question, but nobody except Obama has named a VP candidate.
5. Yes.

taxfoe
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This should help with

This should help with question 1.

From the article . . "Reverend Phillip Kayser, an influential pastor from Omaha who church has a footprint in neighboring Iowa, said he supports and endorsed Paul for a number of reasons.

“He is the only candidate who holds to a strict constructionist interpretation of the Constitution,” Kayser said. “He is the only candidate that has a consistent philosophy of economics that will truly resolve America's problems. The economics of each of the other candidates is flawed, and in my opinion grossly un-biblical.”

I cite that quote (one of many from the article) to address the practice of labling ie libertarian, conservative, etc. Rev Kayser didn't identify Paul as a libertarian. You can call him whatever you like, just as many others will call him the fringe candidate. The truth of the matter is that Ron Paul views the deliberate, steady departure from the rules and principles upon which our culture was framed to be that which has undermined our culture. Simply stated, if we had stood by The Constitution, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in.

How will he govern? He will invoke his oath and insist that all who particpate in government do the same.

The article also gives insight to the Paul organization, his broad base of support including the truly smart people . . home schoolers!

alter ego
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Yes, thanks for your

Yes, thanks for your patience. Glad others jumping in. Rather than give my opinion or interpretation, offer THIS to flesh out #3.

taxfoe
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2. Yes, what Roger Ek

2. Yes, what Roger Ek says!

There are plenty of ongoing investigations and, notably, the active prosecution of the Fanny and Freddy connected. That's a good start. I'm confident that there are more than a handful of billionaires who are resigned to enjoying the money while they can. Personally, I'd like to see the political class, the Chris Dodds and Charley Rangels, etc. held to account.

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Roger Ek, taxfoe, alter ego:

Roger Ek, taxfoe, alter ego: thanks so much!Those are good reads.

One thing about Dr. Paul is that when he tackles the issues, he actually considers the implementation. Because of this, a prospective voter has to read and learn to see if his end conclusions make sense. I see that the campaign has finally been able to take the main points of his stump speech and summarize it down to longish sound bites. The simpler the message gets, the more people he will get as supporters.

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taxfoe
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My condensed version of this

My condensed version of this comment:

Follow the Directions!

Imagine we're in a room with 320 million other people and we're all trying to assemble a model ship; say a wooden-hulled, three-masted heavy frigate. We started with a much smaller group and we've been at it for about a 234 years. Over time, we've come up with a lot of ideas about how it should look and made some changes to many of its core components but we can't seem to get it to sail. Suddenly, from a distant corner of the room, an older guy stands up and hollers "follow the directions". In the din of the crowd, his voice isn't clear and he is largely ignored. The guy next to him did hear him and asks to see what he meant and the old guy shows him the directions. The second guy slaps his forhead and together they stand and yell "follow the directions!"

Out of nowhere, a third guy stands up and confronts the first two. "I am a sailcloth salesman and I have convinced this group of 57 people, the sail commitee, that my cloth is a better product than that which is called for in the directions. In fact, I have been so persuasive, each of them has given me money to develop even greater cloth which we intend to intergrate just as soon as the nincompoops on the rigging commitee refine their changes to your outdated directions."

I could go on but I'm basically a good person.

Listen to the architects, follow the directions, cast off the lines and let's go sailing.

Mike G
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Taxfoe I like your analogy,

Taxfoe

I like your analogy, but after they get the ship sailing, there are quite a few sailors hungover in the bowls of the ship wondering where and when they are going to get their next drink of grog, well the captain says you will have to earn it.

Earn it they say, christ I'm stuck on this bucket out at sea, how I'm about to earn it? How much bloody fish can we catch to earn it? Well the sea is rich with fish, says the captain we can catch and earn as much as others will pay us for our effort. True says the "wiser" one, :) , but how about if we just steal it from those others working the sea.

alter ego
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Anybody notice

Anybody notice professionalism of RP Maine Campaign staffers? Just having Staff deserves a celebratory thread bump... Also raised over $6 million ahead of NH (ka-tching!)... Have slew of sharp TV ads... Growth since 2008 reinforces value of sticking to one's principles.

alter ego
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trader111
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Why wasn't it a bigger story

Why wasn't it a bigger story that RP outperformed last night in the NH Primaries? The highest I saw him poll ahead of the vote was 20%, with most putting him in the high teens; RP ended up with 23%. That and Huntsman's flame out were the two big stories out of NH so far as I can tell.

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Because RP is the invisible

Because RP is the invisible candidate, Trader111. That's why! Check this out: http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/ron-paul-to-everyone-but-mitt-drop-out

Mike G
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Campaign trail detour to vote

Campaign trail detour to vote on debt ceiling.

Mike G
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There is a meeting of Ron

There is a meeting of Ron Paul supporters at Bangor Library, Saturday, January 28th at 3:00 PM. This for preparation for caucus.

Mike G
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http://www.economicpolicyjour

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/01/iris-mack-endorses-ron-paul...

"She eventually landed as an analyst at Harvard's money management business where she noticed exceptionally risky derivatives bets being made with Harvard's endowment money. She sent an email to then-Harvard president and former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers warning him about the risky positions. In short-order after the email, she was fired."

The brilliant Larry Summers

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/18/larry-summers-world-bank-chief_...

"resident Barack Obama is considering naming Larry Summers, his former top economic advisor, as head of the World Bank, Bloomberg reports, citing "two people familiar with the matter."

Summers, a former U.S. Treasury Secretary, Harvard President and World Bank chief economist, has expressed interest in the job, according to Bloomberg. He has the backing of current Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Obama's current top economic advisor Gene Sperling. Still, the administration is considering other candidates, including Secretary of State Hilary Clinton," end

Michelle Anderson
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Mike G, is this in addition

Mike G, is this in addition to tomorrow night's "phonebanking and caucus training" at the Ramada, or is this running separate?

We live a ways from Bangor and want to not duplicate meetings. If it's not a duplication, I guess we need to figure out which one we should attend. Etc.

Mike G
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1/28 - Penobscot County

1/28 - Penobscot County Meet-n-Greet, Bangor, ME - Contact Bryan Daugherty (207) 659-5846 or Sam Canders (207) 329-3860

1/24 - Mobile PhoneBanking Party in Penobscot County, 12 Phones – 4 Hours – Contact Bryan Daugherty (207) 659-5846

the 1/28 meet and greet is at the library I'd assume

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Possible typo: I think the

Possible typo: I think the Penobscot County Meet-n-Greet was today's event. We met and gret. :-)

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/category/events/

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