Ron Paul Backers Arrested After Trying to Shut Down Missouri Caucus

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Apollo
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Ron Paul Backers Arrested After Trying to Shut Down Missouri Caucus

An off-duty police officer, hired as security, eventually filed a trespassing complaint against the Paul supporters and notified on-duty police in the area municipality of St. Peters, who, along with police from other jurisdictions, arrested two Paul supporters and ended the caucuses early. A joint-jurisdictional police helicopter arrived on the scene. Kipers said about 10 officers arrived in total.

Wow, they do the same thing in other states? What a shock.

Apollo
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Volunteers for Mr. Paul’s

Volunteers for Mr. Paul’s campaign were passing out fliers as people entered, instructing them to follow the lead of two “Ron Paul Floor Captains,” who sat near the podium and planned to raise a bright yellow folder with hot pink stripes every time they wanted people to vote in a block.

They did that? Really?

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Here's what I don't

Here's what I don't understand.
If the Ron Paul faction has the numbers at any given caucus, why does it matter to them who runs the meeting?
They can control the result by voting for fellow Ron Paul supporters to be delegates.
In contrast, if they do not have the numbers, they shouldn't expect many of their own would be elected delegates.
Why this obsession with who runs a meeting and what the rules are?
It's apparently part of the national strategy but I don't get it.
Will someone enlighten me? Do they not share my good will toward fellow caucus-goers?

Apollo
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mainemom, they refuse to work

mainemom, they refuse to work with anyone that isn't a Ron Paul supporter. They also have a standing conspiracy theory that anyone who doesn't support Ron Paul "is out to get them". Why do you think they fought so hard to get delegation chairman slots for the towns at the State Convention? Because they trust no one, they work with no one, they believe no one, unless that person supports Ron Paul.

mainemom
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Well, Apollo, if I really

Well, Apollo, if I really want to understand it, I should begin going to Ron Paul/Maine strategy meetings and listen in.
Could even record them, surreptitiously.

Apollo
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Actually, why be secretive?

Actually, why be secretive? Show up with a video cam. Tell them you don't support Ron Paul but you have a right to be there and speak out and disrupt and film it, and if they dare to disagree, then they are violating your rights. I mean, that's the tactics they are using.

Rick Blaine
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Apollo is dead-on right about

Apollo is dead-on right about the Ronulans:

"They refuse to work with anyone that isn't a Ron Paul supporter. They also have a standing conspiracy theory that anyone who doesn't support Ron Paul "is out to get them". Why do you think they fought so hard to get delegation chairman slots for the towns at the State Convention? Because they trust no one, they work with no one, they believe no one, unless that person supports Ron Paul."

I saw them at a number of caucuses and found them to be very rude and obnoxious. The have a defiant, adolescent F.Y. attitude towards anybody who isn't a blind, lock-step Ron Paul drone.

A friend of mine went to their "Caucus Training" session in South Portland, and was told to sit with "their party" and make sure people vote with "our party" at the Republican Caucuses. They are not here to play nice, participate in party functions, raise money for the Republicans, etc... it's wall-to-wall RonPaul.

The WORST part is - they're here to stay. When RonPaul loses (again)... they plan to do more of the same for RandPaul. Even if he runs for decades too!

Bob S
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I saw them at a number of

I saw them at a number of caucuses and found them to be very rude and obnoxious. The have a defiant, adolescent F.Y. attitude towards anybody who isn't a blind, lock-step Ron Paul drone.

Funny, I never seen it at Androscoggin County. I did see others treating the RP people like crap. So Blaine, I guess it runs on both side, eh?

mainemom
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So Bob S, maybe you're the

So Bob S, maybe you're the guy to answer my questions in #2 above.
Will you enlighten me?

Vikingstar
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At the caucus I attended back

At the caucus I attended back in February I had a Paul supporter get rather aggressive with me when he refused to believe that I didn't support Paul, and some of the Paul supporters were highly disruptive and frankly rude. It got to the point that when anyone who was not a Paul supporter made a motion, several of them would jump up and shout "Objection!" (despite it being explained to them that one does not shout "Objection" to a motion). One individual kept jumping up on a chair to shout orders to his fellow Paul supporters.

I suppose Michelle will now be making a donation to the Paul campaign in my honor...

Bob S
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I am not part of the Ron Paul

I am not part of the Ron Paul "faction" Mainemom. I don't speak for them. Maybe you want to write to the Maine coordinator.

Mike G
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Headline should read: Caucus

Headline should read:

Caucus voters disenfranchised by Fascist Republicans

I can't wait for you fascist Romneyans to try something like that in Augusta. friggen blue hairs

Apollo
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Viking, I think we may have

Viking, I think we may have been at that same Caucus. The worst thing that happened there was when an old veteran, who supported and spoke in favor of Ron Paul, voted for a different delegation chairman than what the Ron Paul people wanted, and the "floor captain" said "what are you doing! Not her you stupid idiot!".

Mike G
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Getting ready for Apollo

Getting ready for Apollo

Roger Ek
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Rick Blaine says: "The WORST

Rick Blaine says:
"The WORST part is - they're here to stay. When RonPaul loses (again)... they plan to do more of the same for RandPaul. Even if he runs for decades too!"

He misses the point. That's the BEST part. It's standing up for our Constitution for a change.

The Ron Paul supporters didn't shut down that caucus in Missouri. The old guard did when they realized their crew didn't have a majority at the caucus. It happened in Nevada two years ago and it is a growing trend.

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It's a shame that wherever

It's a shame that wherever the Ron Paul campaign goes, in whatever state, there always seems to be controversy. I wish that all of the State GOP chairmen, and elected Republicans, and state committee members, and rank and file Republicans, would quit consipring against Ron Paul all the time and doing things to make his campaign look bad. It isn't right.

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"Viking, I think we may have

"Viking, I think we may have been at that same Caucus. The worst thing that happened there was when an old veteran, who supported and spoke in favor of Ron Paul, voted for a different delegation chairman than what the Ron Paul people wanted, and the "floor captain" said "what are you doing! Not her you stupid idiot!"."

I was angered by how it seemed he was being used by the Paul supporters there--my impression was that he was not really understanding what was going on, and that the Paul people were leading him around. He talked with me briefly afterwards, and he seemed quite confused about what was happening. And then someone whisked him away from me...

Mike G
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I wonder if the fascists will

I wonder if the fascists will change the rules in Augusta and when people complain have them arrested, maybe there is something in the Charlie Webster thuggery. No cameras, no cameras, we don't want anyone documenting our thuggery.

Vikingstar so he was whisked away from you huh, be more like he quickly left because you bored him to death with your insipid conversation.

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"Vikingstar so he was whisked

"Vikingstar so he was whisked away from you huh, be more like he quickly left because you bored him to death with your insipid conversation."

Funny you should say that, since he approached me, and I didn't have a chance to say a word to him except "thank you". But don't let me interrupt your insipid whining about "Republican fascists"and "thuggery".

Mike G
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Just in keeping with author

Just in keeping with author of the thread, just having a little fun with the fascists before the boredom of the convention.

So when you figure you going to bomb Iran and plunge the world into a huge depression?

Apollo
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Viking, another thing about

Viking, another thing about that Caucus - the old veteran actually gave a rousing speech in favor of Ron Paul at the beginning. But then when he didn't want to vote for the designated Ron Paul candidate for chairman they turned on him like a pack of pit bulls, and I distinctly remember the young Ron Paul "floor captain" saying "what are you doing, are you an idiiot?". Then when Ron Paul people started accosting people as they entered the room and the town clerk, who is a Democrat, told them to stop until she could sign them in, they started giving the Town Clerk a bunch of crap. They also refused to sign any candidate petitions.

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I've spoken with two people

I've spoken with two people who were at the Missouri caucus, and their version of events is definitely at odds with the "official" line. For one, the GOP county chair started the caucus by telling everyone to turn off all recording devices. That caused the first uproar. Then the GOP chair directed the police officer to arrest a man who kept recording. That caused such a protest that the cop retreated and called for backup. Then the chair asked for nominations for a caucus chair, completely ignored the overwhelming support of a man named Stafford, and appointed his own nominee as chair, a Santorum supporter.

By then the uproar from the Paul and Romney people was so loud as they realized that the caucus was fixed that the meeting was canceled, and the police descended and detained two people. Just to note, it was both Paul and Romney supporters who were protesting the meeting's operation, not the Paul folks alone. In fact, one of the people who described it to me was a Romney fan.

Bob S
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Thank you Cash, for the other

Thank you Cash, for the other side of the story.

Mike G
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Cash Thanks also for the

Cash

Thanks also for the other side, its those Santorum and Gingrich people that should be run out of the party.

Maybe we can have a lynching as the Romney and Paul delegates will certainly out number them at the convention.

I think it's damn interesting that the delegates are probably going to be somewhat evenly matched in Augusta between Paul and Romney supporters and people like Rick Blaine, Apollo Creed, and Vikingstar want to run the Ron Paulers out of the party. If anyone has started a fight here it's you SOBs.

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"Just in keeping with author

"Just in keeping with author of the thread, just having a little fun with the fascists before the boredom of the convention.

So when you figure you going to bomb Iran and plunge the world into a huge depression?"

You seem to think that 'fascists" are hiding in your underpants, just waiting to drug your coffee or something.

As for when I'm "going to bomb Iran", seeing as I don't happen to own any bombs, I figure I'll start bombing Iran about the same time you start writing intelligent posts.

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"I think it's damn

"I think it's damn interesting that the delegates are probably going to be somewhat evenly matched in Augusta between Paul and Romney supporters and people like Rick Blaine, Apollo Creed, and Vikingstar want to run the Ron Paulers out of the party. If anyone has started a fight here it's you SOBs."

Right. The more vocal Paulists here proclaim that voting for anybody but Paul is just the same as voting for Obama, and that anyone who doesn't support Paul is a "establishment Republican", and they're not going to vote for anyone but Paul in the general election, and "we're the one's who started the fight". In the meantime, one Paulist is talking about "getting rid of those wacky Christian Zionists" from the party, and you, Mike G., call anyone who doesn't follow your particularly dim-witted view of isolationism "racists".

Some (not all) Paulists, especially the ones who have the loudest voices here on AMG, have been continually peeing in the communal punchbowl of the party, and then whining about how mean the "establishment " is to you, and how you're going to take your ball and go home. Well, go ahead--leave. And let the grown-ups, Paulists and non-Paulists alike, have an adult conversation and work to get rid of the real threat to us all, one Barak H, Obama, in the fall.

Mike G
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Vikingstar You appear to

Vikingstar

You appear to believe that we are living in the land of the free and the home of the brave, now how is that for delusional. Is that what they told you when you were in the public skhool system?

We live in a country that has bailed out large corporations, owns major portions of them and given trillions to banks, a country that believes in preemptive wars against anyone that they deem a threat. A country that requires you to take off your shoes and get felt up to board a plane and soon to be a train. If that doesn't fit the definition of fascist then what does, and people like you go just along with it.

Your intelligence is just an echoing of thought from the major propaganda machines. lol have a nice day

Mike G
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well that's a double lol on

well that's a double lol on your second post, my dimwitted friend

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Apollo is right - if he's

Apollo is right - if he's talking about Westbrook.

That disgusting little RonPaul twerp was leading that 86 year old WWII vet around like a dog on a leash; even shouting at him: "SIT DOWN" and "STAND UP NOW" when ordering him how to vote for the delegates.

He chased his Ron Paul drones away from the tables of petitions too... not wanting to help Republicans... because these people are NOT Republicans. They are NOT interested in electing ANY Republicans besides RonPaul.

I see them as a cancer... predatory scavengers and parasites who plan to take over the host organism and kill it because they believe it's their only way to survive. Woe to the Maine Republicans if people like that little creep in Westbrook take over the party!

(And the joke will be on them too - because who will do the work, raise the funds and organize all the other things a party does besides promote one goofy old nutcase who will NEVER be President?)

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Vikingstar, which Ron Paul

Vikingstar, which Ron Paul supporter has stated his view that we should be "getting rid of those wacky Christian Zionists"? Find me a link please.

When did Mike G call anyone a "racist" for not following his point of view? Link please.

Also, you have concluded Mike G holds a "dimwitted view of isolationism". First, I have never read anything here that would make me think Mike is an isolationist, maybe he is but sure doesn't sound like one. A constitutional non-interventionist along the lines of George Washington's thoughts on the matter? a bit more like it - again from what I have read of Mike G. Regardless, if you can't back that statement up, 1st the specific viewpoints in question and 2nd what about those view points are dim-witted, its yet another "hit and run" attack on your part. Nice job.

Viking also said "...the threat to us all is one Barack H Obama"

Again, Viking, a bit heavy on fear mongering and very short on facts.

Mike G, however, supplied a pertinent fact, just one of very many my friends, right afterward: "We live in a country that has bailed out large corporations, owns major portions of them and given trillions to banks, a country that believes in preemptive wars against anyone that they deem a threat"

We all understand that TARP was favored/endorsed/deemed necessary by the Bush/Paulson team. And of course BHO and his minions have signaled their whole hearted support of it by not only ensuring its follow thru but upping the ante as well. We also have Romney Santorum and Gingrich (facts posted elsewhere on this site and several other places) going on record as being in support of these bailouts.

So in this case it seems all the usual "Republican" suspects are marching in lockstep with "the threat to us all", aren't they?

Viking, Apollo, questions for you: If "the threat to us all" is removed by a newly installed agent for the same policies that threaten us all, have you suceeded in removing "the threat to us all"?

Will you stop attaching your fear to a singular person, like BHO is Darth Vader and anyone with an R on their chest is Luke Skyw (as long as they don't think like Ron Paul re: obey the wisdom of the Constitution and Bill of Rights) and finally be willing to grasp that the problem is not any one individual, BHO, Bush, Romney or otherwise, rather the problem is the mindset that believes the things they all believe in lock-step together, R's, I's and D's alike -- that government power, control and intrusions must be increased to solve all the problems that government has created in the first place (with "threats to us all" in place who think and therefore act just like them at the controls)?

Is there any hope you'll ever start using your very capable minds to think and act with some common sense?

Disagree with Ron Paul if you must, make yourselves look like complete utter babbling drueling fools by constantly running around bashing all his supporters if you must, and then get your ya yas by berating them all here "just leave the party, go away" (ha ha sorry nice try); but at some point please start using your minds to help create some positive influence in your party.

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Yes Rick, it was Westbrook.

Yes Rick, it was Westbrook. Do you remember when the Ron Paul girl zombie yelled at the old guy and called him and idiot because he stood up to vote for the non Ron Paul delegation chairman? And the out of state floor captain was sitting up at a table, telling guys at the table "say objection", do this, say that, vote this way, vote that way. It was beyond ridiculous. And this is what they plan to do at the state convention times 100. And I don't really understand why. Except that Ron Paul isn't getting the nomination, so they need to "get back at us"?

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