Ron Paul on Huckabee's use of the cross in a TV ad

To bring this thread back to its initial purpose:
Just as Rep. Ron Paul should have responded, it matters not whether there is or is not a cross in a Christmas advertisement. Paul had the chance to take the high road, and he blew it - for whatever reason.

Nonetheless, the point of this thread has succeeded in illustrating that the symbol of the cross - which represents Christianity and Christ Himself - is and will always be an offense to those who remain blinded to their own depravity and need for a Savior, Jesus Christ.

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Dan Billings: Voting for whomever they want is an option open for all Americans, Dan...no matter the party. I've voted Republican in the past...tho not in the recent past. I vote the person I think best to do the job...not for the party.

Callback to page 2's "Huey Long" reference: Huckabee: The New Huey Long

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/13/falwells-hero-how-hucka_n_76478...
he has a record of not being able to seperate his faith from his office.

Nonetheless, the point of this thread has succeeded in illustrating that the symbol of the cross - which represents Christianity and Christ Himself - is and will always be an offense to those who remain blinded to their own depravity and need for a Savior, Jesus Christ.

LMD: You are completely off base here. I have a feeling that most of us non-churchgoers ..if not all...couldn't care less if Huckabee has crosses all over his house and church. I don't care if he speaks in tongues and gets slayed in the spirit every day ! I doesn't offend ME. It's all about him and his religious history. But when he comes on as representing all Americans as a Presidential candidate....very deliberately slurs his opponents beliefs.. and then pulls thi stunt in the name of civility... Well, I'm sorry, but it was in extreemly poor taste, it was a lie that he didn't realize the implications of the background, and he has shown to ME who he is...and that is nobody that I admire or feel qualified to represent all Americans with the wisdom needed in this day and age.

So...if that last comment you made makes you feel better and a little more important than us "blinded" ones... :/ It doesn't surprise me....sorry.

he can claim that it wasnt intentional but every advertising person that has been interviewed on the news said it was intentional, that it would of had to have been lit, or it would be shaded and blurry like the rest of the background, for him to claim it was "accidental" is ridiculous and insulting.

charlie

"We face one of the great choices of history. It is the continuance of civilization as we know it versus the ultimate destruction of all that we have held dear - religion against godlessness; the ideal of justice against the practice of force; moral decay versus the firing squad; courage to speak out, and to act, versus the false lullaby of appeasement..."
FDR July 19, 1940 - speaking to the Democratic National Convention accepting the nomination.

Anyone who has read your posts here would know that there is no chance you would be voting for the GOP nominee in 2008. Your comments in this thread should be read in that context?

LMD - typical rant from the holier than thou christians - assuming that those who are not christian are "blinded by their own depravity and need for a Savior, Jesus Christ" So if you're not a christian you're depraved?? If you're a jew, muslim imam, buddhist monk, hindu, etc. etc. you're depraved? You should be ashamed of yourself for making such a statement, but you won't be. What a religious bigot.

Excerpt from a Christmas sermon, The Child Who Was God by John MacArthur:

He came to gather a redeemed humanity to take back to God. He came to reconcile all men and the whole universe to make peace where there was animosity between man and God. He came into the world to save sinners. That's why He was to be called Jesus. He came to bring reconciliation between sinners and a holy God.

He came to remove the curse of the universe and to reconcile the universe to its original intended created purpose. He came so that He might gather together men and women like you and like me and all the others throughout all of human history that God set His hand upon and to gather them together and present them to God holy and blameless and beyond reproach. He came to save from sin and bring us to God, to reconcile the lost. He took our flesh in Him that we might become holy as He is holy.

It's tremendous truth. As Joab, you'll remember, in the Old Testament pleaded for Absalom the wayward rebel son and brought him to David and David kissed him, so Jesus Christ brings us to the kiss of God so that we might be reconciled.

This is the meaning of Christmas. Nothing less and certainly nothing more. It's a sad thing in our culture that Christmas on the one hand is trivialized and on the other hand it is assaulted in an effort to remove the only thing about it that is important...eternally important...

Copied with permission from Grace to You.

As one of The Great Communicator's speech writer's, Peggy Noonan has an interesting insight on the latest "great communicator":

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/

Wow. Noonan is spot on. He's a huckster, and a not so nice one at that.

So Bob Emrich, you think a quote of FDR's from 67 years ago is relevant to this discussion because it speaks of "religion against godlessness"?

I believe a government should not involve a god, belief in the god of your choice as a politician is fine, but involving god in governance is a mistake. Lest we become the christian equivelent of Iran or Saudi Arabia. Freedom of religion, if it has any meaning at all, must include freedom "from" religion.

charlie

Charlie,
The quote from FDR is relevant because you and Bud were writing about learning from history and distorting that to delete God from public life. Your efforts to give the impression that Mike Huckabee is doing something new is not accurate. The FDR quote was one example to show some history demonstrating that God and even religion has always been part of governing in America. Just consider it my contribution to historical accuracy.

What an extremist crock o crap.

You'd love to believe that all the depraved are offended by the symbol of the cross.
The only offense most take is when it is somehow blended with government. Otherwise, it's just a symbol that some may take a little too seriously.

Would you be offended if a Jew were running for governmental office and he was using the Star of David in the backdrop?
How about a Krishna Hindu? Or a smoked up Rastafarian?

Again, You keep yours out of it and I'll promise to keep mine out of it. Government is challenged enough than to have to deal with religious wack jobs.

The gang at Fox & Friends was happily engaged in their familiar morning routine -- applying a glaze of insipid cheerfulness to their network's authoritarian partisanship -- when one of them made the mistake of asking Rep. Ron Paul about a campaign ad produced by a rival presidential aspirant, Mike Huckabee.

If the object of that odd query was to solicit a trite soundbite it was the wrong question to ask, and the wrong person of whom to ask it, given Dr. Paul unflinching candor. Rather then indulging in the expected morning show banner, Dr. Paul offered this assessment of the Huckabee ad, in which the former Arkansas Governor, bathed in beatific light and flattered by the camera's soft focus, appears to have a cross floating over his shoulder:

Of Course He's a Fascist

Bob Emrich, I have said nothing that would delete god from public life. Just the oposite. I believe that religion can be both good and bad. Both good and bad people use religion to achieve their aims. I was raised a catholic. When a catholic priest from Greenville, Maine refused to go to the cemetery, when my four year old daughter died, because she had not been baptized, I turned to other religions, many of them, and I watched the infighting between them, and the bad and the good people that went to church, and came to the conclusion, I was now an athiest and I am content in that role. I do not and will not try to convert others to my belief. I believe their are people that need religion as a sort of leaning post and it should not be denied them. I believe religion has a place and government should defend Article 1, of our Constitution. I believe in the public display of all religion symbols, bar none. I believe the last six commandments are good examples for all to live by. I do try. Do you need or want further illumination on just where I stand on religion?
Bud

P.S. I believe in Christmas too

Coose,
Your purposeful selective reduction of my quote as an attempt to deflect its contextual meaning only serves to illustrate my original point.
Let's set the record straight:

Here is your version of my quote:

Here is my actual quote in context:

Coose, note the highlighted portion of my original quote above - it is Christ and Christianity represented by the symbol of the cross which is what is offensive to those who remain blinded by their own sinful nature (depravity of mankind).

It is Christ Himself, represented by the symbol of the cross...

LMD, what the heck difference does that make? It's still religious bigotry and is offensive to anyone not christian, i.e. implying that those who find the cross offensive are depraved. There are plenty of reasons to find the practice of christianity offensive, and they've been discussed here many times. And using the cross and christ and christianity as a political ploy is especially offensive to those who believe in the separation of church and state. Your description of those people as "depraved" is also offensive.

Beautiful. Make up a story about a floating cross and then knock the guy for it. Liberals at work.

So LMD, "Would you be offended if a Jew were running for governmental office and he was using the Star of David in the backdrop?
How about a Krishna Hindu? Or a smoked up Rastafarian?"

I am sure of that too. And JC should not be showing up in government under any circumstances. Just like any of the rest of the other no less significant Gods.

John McCain's Christmas ad features a cross written in the sand.

Even the Democrats mentions Christmas in their ads. And Christmas includes Christ!

Where is the outrage?

You cannot spell or say Christmas without CHRIST!

He is the reason for the season!

He is the reason for the season!

Merry X-Mas!

:D

What in the world is X-Mas???

Xmas

So technically you can write or say Christmas without writing or saying Christ. ; )