The reason that I changed it from Israeli to middle eastern was I was unsure whether all the 5 men were all Israelis, I know the majority were Israelis in United States on work visas. There were working as electricians or such and were working in NY for a short amount of time.
The story actually came out soon after 9/11 occured and it was carried in many newspapers, though not on page one, somewhere buried before or after the sports section. They were detained by the FBI for sometime as they were thought to be part of the terrorist act. Their stories were checked out by the FBI and they were deported, I cannot remember the cause for deportation, nor if one was given.
Rumor was they were Mossad, but like all rumors, they die hard, kinda like being called anti-semitic if you are running for president like Roger and his favorites called Buchanan and now calls Ron Paul.
Hey Roger S, have to let you in on a secret. It turns out that Dr. Paul is the Grand Wizard of the KKK, and he's fleet of foot as well since he had to run so fast after lighting crosses on black's people property.
You know if you could find something to smear Dr. Paul with, you could have done better. You know that Bill Cosby and Dr. Walter Williams have been highly critical of black youth as well. Are they racists too?
[url=http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=25517_Ron_Paul_Supporters_... Paul Supporters Threaten Blogger[/url]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/v/SW4DgZH8PJM]Ron Paul Meets With "911 Was an Inside Job" Conspiracy Theorists[/url]
[url=http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/180507hannity.htm]Ron Paul Supporters Threaten Sean Hannity[/url]
You know Apollo, your posts are as useful as the coming out of the dodo bird. I think Lenin had a phrase for people like yourself. I believe it begins with Useful.
Your headline should read "Hannity threatens success of conservative movement".
If ever there was a pea wit blow hard who preaches successfully to the choir and drives everyone else from church it is Hannity.
The fact that you conservatives don't see this happening proves my point.
Dr. Paul always knew he never had a chance at the White House. He is in it to make his point. And he is wildly successful.
My 85 year old mother, who was always a well informed Republican, but who sees the ridiculousness of the Iraq occupation, told me she loves Ron Paul. She even knows he is a "libertarian".
Here is a woman who [i]did not [/i]vote Republican in '04 and [i]will not [/i]vote for any of the Republican front runners.
She would vote for Paul, however. Otherwise it will be a Dem.
[quote="Mark T. Cenci"]Your headline should read "Hannity threatens success of conservative movement".
That's not news. Conservatives have known that for years.
The man has no originality, no sense of humor, and no opinion that is counter to the party line. At least Rush -- whom I cannot listen to -- is original and humorous. Hannity is simply an organ of the GOP. And a failing organ at that.
Plus he treats people like crap and talks over them.
[quote="Mark T. Cenci"]Dr. Paul always knew he never had a chance at the White House. He is in it to make his point. And he is wildly successful.[/quote]
Wildly successful? I don't think so. Ron Paul used to be a halfway conservative congressman who was known for fighting against illegal immigration. Now he is viewed as a crackpot who supported the Democrat surrender bill and hangs around with John Birch society members and people who think Bush deliberately dynamited the twin towers. Liberals have infiltrated his ranks and are scamming internet polls and sending profane and abusing emails to anyone who questions Paul's statements. He was also badly humiliated and made to look ridiculous by Rudy Guiliani in a recent debate.
I actually used to like and respect the guy and even was on his mailing list for his Presidential campaign. But he has done incalcuable damage to himself and the Libertarian cause. He is going to end up like Bob Dornan from years ago. Forget about the Presidency, he won't even get re-elected to Congress now.
Republican lizards have always tried to oust Paul in his Primaries. They will again. And they will mischaracterize him, much as you have done .
So you may be right.
He is wildly successful in getting his message out, which is his goal. How can you deny it? He is all over the place. And you can't stop your obsessive compulsive disorder about the guy. You are measuring him according to your goals, not his goals.
He should stick to domestic issues. His message is pretty good in those areas.
I think he should have said that the Iraqi's need to control their own destiny and we need to pressure them to do so quickly. He could have added that our forces are not trained to be peacekeepers. They are an army. The army won.
Any foreign policy statements should have been couched in the future, not in the past. He could have said he wants us to look at a way to remain strong without intervening in other nations affairs [i]in the future[/i].
This would have eliminated much of the confusion and acrimony from the talk radio crowd. The ones who react and just can't think.
[quote="Mark T. Cenci"]I think he should have said that the Iraqi's need to control their own destiny and we need to pressure them to do so quickly. He could have added that our forces are not trained to be peacekeepers. They are an army. The army won.[/quote]Yes, but he didn't....you did.
[quote]Any foreign policy statements should have been couched in the future, not in the past. He could have said he wants us to look at a way to remain strong without intervening in other nations affairs [i]in the future[/i].[/quote]Would-a, should-a could-a. There you go defending him again, that's not what he said.
[quote]This would have eliminated much of the confusion and acrimony from the talk radio crowd. The ones who react and just can't think.[/quote]Well, pardon all of us non-thinkers, but I did happen to hear your boy Ru Paul on talk radio. It was a long interview on "The Lars Larson Show"
No thinking was required, It was straight Ru Paul. He sounded exactly like Murtha/McDermitt/Michael Moore. I'm under the impression he was eating cheese and waving a white flag.
Lars interviewed him intensely, and there was no doubt about his anti-war in Iraq position. By the way, that is exactly how a squishy Republican gets national air time...just like Hagel, McCain, etc...by siding with the Ds and going "Sheehan"
I believe what you are calling "thinking" I would call "creative intrepretation"
(The rest of the interview made a lot of sense)
Then he made serious communications errors Mike. Reasons enough to not be a good president.
I don't see the value in dredging the past and trying to place blame.
I do see the value in communicating to people how important it is change future policy.
Too bad Paul can't accomplish that.
Look, I hope you know I'm just jivin' you.
I had great hopes for him and we've been hearing good things about him for years.
Too bad he didn't have a session with a good handler who could have made him come off like a professor and your new best friend.
All I could think of was Ralph Nader...
Right Mike. Distilling his words down to Apollo's "We caused 9-11" nonsense comes from thinking.
[quote="Ron Paul"]Too often we have supported those who turn on us, like the Kosovars who aid Islamic terrorists, or the Afghan jihads themselves, and their friend Osama bin Laden. We armed and trained them, and now weâ€™re paying the price[/quote]
Ron Paul: "They're terrorists because we're occupiers"
Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul was hushed by deafening boos from a crowd of Tea Partiers at Monday's GOP Presidential debate, after suggesting America's foreign police played a role in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2036767/Ron-Paul-defends-Al-Qaed...
Well, he's consistant.
I've also posted this most of this reply on the other Ron Paul string "Redux".
Every time I get annoyed by Ron Paul's over the top libertarianism concerning open-borders immigration, de-criminalization of drugs, or his opposition to proper identification of citizenship (the Real ID), he courageously blurts out the truth about America's stupid and destructive wars brought about by our interventionist foreign policy and shows me why I had supported him. Courage and wisdom is a rare combination in American politics
I'm also reminded of how little Americans, especially the so-called "conservative" ones, have learned since 9-11. Santorum, blabbering on about "American exceptionalism" is the mouthpiece of the Neo-Cons whose policy personel in the GOP establishment led America into unending, unwinnable war, fortified by its bias in favor of the interests of Israel at the expense of America's national interest, and its dream of American Empire.
As journalist Pat Buchanan stated recently in his recent column on 9/11, quoting the great conservative Edmund Burke, "little minds and great Empire go ill together." If the Republicans and its base, in over ten years of war which have wrecked our economy and tarnished the reputation of the GOP as a conservative party, have not learned that an interventionist foreign policy and open borders also go "ill together", it's either too dumb or too arrogant to learn anything.
9-11 was not the same as Pearl Harbor in 1941. It was caused by 19 Muslim immigrants, most illegal in that they over stayed their visa period. It was a horrendous intelligence failure for which there were no consequences. The CIA director was given the Medal of Freedom. Afterwards, we never changed our immigration policies. We didn't attack the countries from which the illegals originated. Instead of trying to simply kill bin Laden, we attacked and concentrated on a country that didn't attack or threaten us, Iraq. Dumb. Then, we tried to "transform" Afghanistan into a "democracy". Dumber.
The "war on terror" (a war on a tactic?) has been a failure. Yet, the GOP "elites" and its unthinking base seem to be too proud to admit they might have been wrong. But then, I guess, the Democrat's "messiah" hasn't learned anything either. Hillary and Panneta string him along on foreign and defense policy like Cheney and Wolfowicz did GWB. If only Perry and Romney, or even Obama, had the courage and wisdom of Ron Paul. Our "elites" are not elite.
Perhaps we'll sink someone else's boat: http://www.therightscoop.com/glenn-beck-id-consider-ron-paul-as-third-pa...
He may lose Tea Partiers as posted elsewhere on this thread (that's "some," by the way) but then again, he'll gain a whole bunch of Libertarians. There are more of them than TP. Come to think of it, have met many Libertarians who are working from within TP, GOP and Occupy. Libertarians straddling the first two groups will certainly vote 3rd Party for RP.