Ron Paul Supporter Calls for Legalization of Hemp at County Republican Meeting

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Apollo
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Ron Paul Supporter Calls for Legalization of Hemp at County Republican Meeting

At the Cumberland County Republican meeting in Westbrook on Tuesday night, most of the U.S. Senate candidates were there and each gave a speech about themselves. At the end of the speeches, audience members could ask the candidates questions. A Ron Paul supporter got up and asked the candidates if they "would support the legalization of hemp, a miracle crop, used by our forefathers". The answers ranged from I don't know to maybe.

There was also a gay agitator there demanding that the candidates recognize gay marriage, but the County chairman quickly said she wouldn't let the meeting turn into a gay marriage debate. I wasn't sure though if the gay person supported Ron Paul.

hatchcar
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And do you have a problem

And do you have a problem with hemp being legal?

Rick Blaine
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I was there... That guy was a

I was there...

That guy was a DOPE (get it?)

Apollo
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It isn't exactly the most

It isn't exactly the most important issue facing the country right now.

charlie neville
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Then why bring it up,

Then why bring it up, Apollo?

charlie

Watcher
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Legalize Pot or not...I don't

Legalize Pot or not...I don't care. I believe it would be better to legalize it but...not a real biggie with me.

Mike Travers
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Hemp IS a miracle plant and

Hemp IS a miracle plant and making it illegal is criminally stupid. To begin with, hemp is NOT marijuana. Same family, but you can't get stoned on it. We IMPORT hemp to use in making rope and other things. It's not illegal to have, but it's illegal to grow it. You can make paper with it, cloth, oil, lots of things. Most of what we import is grown in Canada, as far as I know. Our own farmers could grow it and make money, instead of Canadian farmers, but there's too many STUPID people who can't tell the difference and won't listen to anyone so they can be educated. To quote Forrest's Momma, "Stupid is as stupid does."

charlie neville
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In my opinion making smoking

In my opinion making smoking dope illegal is criminally stupid too, Mike. I don't indulge, but know many who do. Ron Paul's position concerning marijuana is the only position a rational libertarian can take.

charlie

Stephen Carmichael
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Maybe is an insufficient

Maybe is an insufficient answer.

Mike Travers
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Couldn't agree more, Charlie.

Couldn't agree more, Charlie. Marijuana laws are stupid too, but laws against hemp make even less sense, because you can't even make a moral case for it, let alone a sensible case. If you believe marijuana is the devil's own weed, hemp ISN'T marijuana.

Jim Corr
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I'm beginning to think Apollo

I'm beginning to think Apollo is a Ron Paul Stalker! Kind of creepy actually. Apollo, hemp used to be legal. Isn't it worth having the discussion?

Mark12345
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More desparate obsessive

More desparate obsessive maniacal behavior from resident fake republican Apollo.

Hey Rick Blaine, so love your photo. Maybe you should have used a photo of our first president instead.

George Washington the Man - The only Founding Father to free his slaves
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"...Here are some more Washington trivia answers...As a farmer, Washington grew marijuana on his farm and promoted it's growth..."

Reaganite
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Make the sale of pot legal.

Make the sale of pot legal. Then tax it. If bought online, tax it twice.

Based on what I see on Lisbon Street and at Bowdoin/Bates/Colby, you'd have a never ending tax stream.

And I'm only being partially sarcastic. You guess which part.

Mark12345
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Mike Travers, you got me

Mike Travers, you got me curious about Hemp v. Marijuana, I found this interesting educational link.

What's the difference between hemp and marijuana?

"...different varieties of the same species of plant...Marijuana is the flowering tops and leaves of psychoactive varieties of Cannabis...used legally in some states...for medical reasons...
Unlike hemp, marijuana has a high THC (delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol) content and a low CBD (cannabidiol) content...Hemp...is a cultivated, low-THC variety of Cannabis. It is grown for its seeds, oil and fiber...THC is typically less than 1 percent in Hemp"

Traci G
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hemp can also be used to make

hemp can also be used to make ethanol. can grow anywhere and even with our short growing season a farmer could get two crops. they grow it right across the border in canada, a couple years ago i started a thread about it on amg...not going to look for it now but its foolish to not legalize it. I tried to get a republican rep to introduce a bill to legalize it here. no luck though. but they should.

cotton growers used government to make hemp growing a crime. go figure.

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Hemp competed with cotton in

Hemp competed with cotton in the making of fabric. This was an early form of crony capitalism, like not allowing margarine to be sold with yellow coloring in it.

Try Lance Harvell of Farmington if you want a bill introduced to legalize hemp. He is a farmer, with pronounced libertarian tendencies.

Traci G
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good call on talking to

good call on talking to Lance... I will be in Augusta next week for a conference and business day at the capital, if I run into Lance I will talk with him about it. it would be a job creator in Maine for sure.

Virgil Kane
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In Maine, growing hemp isn't

In Maine, growing hemp isn't technically illegal, as long as it is done in compliance with federal law.

See., e.g., 17-A M.R.S. §1117(3), that says it is an affirmative defense to a charge of cultivation of marijuana "that the substance cultivated or grown is industrial hemp."
The trick is that to meet the definition of "industrial hemp" it has to be "grown under a federal permit in compliance with the conditions of that permit," and getting the feds to give out permits is like pulling hen's teeth.
(Which, incidentally, would make this an appropriate matter to take up with a candidate for the US Senate . . .)

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I also find this latest anti-Ron Paul outburst from Apollo quite amusing. Without having any position at all on the subject spoken of (let alone a reasoned argument against it), he nevertheless is compelled to start a thread pointing out what some random, unknown Ron Paul supporter said someplace as if to point out the foolhardy and absurdness displayed by the unknown person with the intent and hopes of imputing that foohardiness and absurdity to all those that speakout in support of this candidate and his peculiar candidacy. It's laughable. As if upon hearing a bell rung by Pavlov, Apollo drools his unthinking headlines upon AMG's Public Square.

Bob S
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As if upon hearing a bell

As if upon hearing a bell rung by Pavlov,

I was thinking about that earlier today. It is obvious that Apollo is incapable of critical thinking.

Traci G
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thanks Virgil~ I believe

thanks Virgil~ I believe there are nine states that have voted to allow industrial hemp farming without getting the federal permits.. i believe those states also voted to allow medical marijuana. could happen here~ I will try to speak to Lance next week.

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Apollo drools his unthinking

Apollo drools his unthinking headlines upon AMG's Public Square

You don't get it, Virgil. Each of Apollo's headlines is entirely well thought out and meticulously word smithed. His headlines are constructed as they are so as to grab the attention of the reader and cause a guttural reaction such that the reader feels compelled to post, if only to condemn Apollo. And you have to admit, he is very good at it. Certain posters allow themselves to be sucked in nearly every time.

Or...maybe I'm just giving Apollo too much credit. Which is to say even less about those who allow themselves to be sucked in.

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It's about time to lose this

It's about time to lose this ridiculous attitude toward industrial hemp. The DEA needs to evolve its standing on this. Don't they see that fields of industrial hemp would cut down the areas recreational marijuana would want to plant in? They wouldn't want that ditch-weed pollen to infiltrate their crop.

Not that I would really want the smell of 10 acres of full-grown industrial hemp next to my house, but it might be preferable to the days the farmer dresses the field with cow poop.

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Traci G submits "cotton

Traci G submits "cotton growers used government to make hemp growing a crime. go figure."

That's interesting. I have always heard it was W. R. Hearst (Patty's gampy) protecting his timber and paper interests. Now I have to look it up . . I'm no chemical engineer but I've also heard that paper from hemp is a lot cleaner/greener than from trees. Reckon I'll have to look that one up, too.

You see, this is where Apollo succeeds. He doesn't know what the heck he's talking about and the discussion seemlessly moves away from any point he was trying to make.

Edited to add: This article appeared in the Hemphasis magazine Fall 2004 issue.

It concludes "The foregoing research leads us (and most other sane folks) to conclude that hemp fiber and hurds should be used to make paper in the U.S. to reduce deforestation, reduce toxins in our waterways, and aid family farms."

The article is interesting, short and to the point. It appears to be well sourced although I didn't verify any of them.

Edited again to prove that I can do my homework with or without the promise of a reward:

This essay claims it was Hearst and DuPont (chemicals). It's short, to the point, unsourced and will teach you something you probably don't already know!

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Thanks to taxfoe, I found

Thanks to taxfoe, I found this interesting article on hemphasis.net. Though it would cause a major upheaval in our paper industry, it looks to me like the future.

taxfoe
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The final installment on my

The final installment on my earlier post . . (at what point does the edit option go away?)

This article seeks to exonerate Hearst and DuPont and blames "racism and the cultural wars".

"Anslinger's other theme was that white girls would be ruined once they'd experienced the lurid pleasures of having a black man's joint in their mouth."

Wittingly or not, the author then goes on to reindict Hearst and Anslinger, who was also named in the essay I cited earlier. After making fun of Ron Paul supporter's religious adhesion to the conspiracy, he destroys his credibility by suggesting 911 was not an inside job.

You're welcome, jimcooncat!

Mike G
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There are probably volumes of

There are probably volumes of past agricultural discussions of the value of hemp production, all done before "reefer madness" grabbed this nation, almost all done by agronomists in land grant colleges.

There is little reason to institute new studies to discover the value and propagation of such crops, because the science of growing crops was done with open minds back then, soils and fertilization of crops has not changed much.

I'd suspect the value of growing hemp on agricultural land in Maine would be of a minor value. It might be of value as a cover or rotational crop as oats and rye are done. Considering the amount of wood fiber growing on non-agricultural lands, I can't see it competing with wood fiber in Maine. It would have to have some value as being brought into the mix of wood fiber.

But have to say, I'm ignorant as to its value of hemp, how many rope factory do we have in Maine? How much natural fiber are used in Maine and the world, isn't that why we are parked in the middle east because they are sitting on all our oil?

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The hemp issue is a sideshow.

The hemp issue is a sideshow. Serious pursuit of a"hemp" agenda is indeed 'reefer madness". PS: I've got no problem with adults ingesting MJ. However, any responsible, thinking adult can think of at least seventy more-pressing problems.

Mike G
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"Anslinger's other theme was

"Anslinger's other theme was that white girls would be ruined once they'd experienced the lurid pleasures of having a black man's joint in their mouth."

We are talking about pot here right? Haha

Traci G
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thanks taxfoe for that

thanks taxfoe for that information~ cotton growers did lobby against the use of hemp in the 30's...bottom line hemp has many uses and should not be outlawed on a state or federal level. republicans being the party of common sense (cough) should champion this cause.

taxfoe
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You're right, Traci G, of

You're right, Traci G, of course. How it got done isn't nearly as important as getting it undone . . it's a clean cash crop. You know people; make a few phone calls!

Mike G . . Aslinger's utterance of a double entendre appears to be accidental; the best kind, IMHO . . I'm nuetral as to it's inclusion here.

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You don't get it, Virgil.

[i]You don't get it, Virgil. Each of Apollo's headlines is entirely well thought out and meticulously word smithed. His headlines are constructed as they are so as to grab the attention of the reader and cause a guttural reaction such that the reader feels compelled to post, if only to condemn Apollo. And you have to admit, he is very good at it. Certain posters allow themselves to be sucked in nearly every time.[/i]

Reaganite, I know those headlines, and I know what you mean. But this one seems to miss the mark. There's no hyperbole in this one. He's not asking,e.g., if Ron Paul killed Whitney Houston. (one of my recent favorites) The headline says exactly what happened and the issue raised by this RP supporter seems completely innocuous with mild to complete concurrence from all posters.
The " [i]Liberal fill-in-the-blank does ____________[/i]" ones were better. The " [i]RP supporter does _________[/i]" ones seem to be drifting off the mark.

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