See the DoctorRonPaul Tweet?
Covered at The Daily Caller here:
I can't imagine Obama or even Jane Fonda saying something this crazy!!!
Hey "LIBERTY" Folks - - - - - - You got anything to say???
I am beginning to think Rick that you have a man crush on RP. When I heard the news I said the same thing RP did. What did you think when you heard the news?
Like most sane people, my immediate thought was:
What a tragedy. An American Serviceman has been murdered.
It takes a long search among a lot of REAL NUTS to find a reaction similar to:"Good. He had it coming!"
Maybe you also agree with that nutty church in Kansas, that cheers at military funerals...???
Are you that far gone too???
Of course, Obama wouldn't tweet something like that. Obama believes it is perfectly justified to blow up an entire family to kill one man and that if you are anywhere near one of his designated kill targets you are a target also.
If you are Madeline Albright you believe it is perfectly correct to kill a half million Iraqi children with medical sanctions.
While Kyle was in Iraq, he was in a target rich environment, meaning any Iraqi male with a weapon, phone etc in his hand was a target. I'm sure he killed quite a few bad guys and the others, he let God sort them out.
I wonder how far you are gone Rick, you and your heroine Collins who continues to support these wars without end and kill unknown numbers of children and women. All the while giving Obama greater powers to kill Americans and foreigners.
Ron Paul Slanders Chris Kyle
Chris Kyle was an American hero of the highest order. And he used the sword because he was in the military, where his job was to keep America safe.
from Apollo link.
The Iraq War had nothing to do with keeping America Safe.
He saw his job as keeping his fellow American soldier's safe and he cannot be faulted for that.
The Iraq War absolutely had everything to do with keeping America safe. Iraq was directly involved in helping plan 911. And the weapons of mass destruction were in Iraq, just moved to Syria. Just because media liberals ignored the story doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Ha ha ha moved to Syria huh
Funny, running a fraud presidential campaign din't make sense to me either !
Mike G there are no such thing as innocents in a combat zone. They are there and can become unfortunate collateral damage in combat.
It is the targeting of them specifically opposed to the targeting of an enemy by what ever means that is the difference.
I am sure you can not understand that .
Apollo-After twelve years you still believe these Neo-Con fairy tales. Iraq had about as much to do with 911 as Spain. Not. No wonder The Republican Establishment can't convince enough Americans they're competent to run this country's defense and foreign policy .Like the old Bourbons of Europe,they-never learn and never forget.
As for Paul, it's not first time he has said the wrong thing at the wrong time even after a lifetime of political experience. His opposition to sealing the border to illegal aliens jumps to mind. He's still crazy after all these years about that too.
The Seal sniper did a lot to protect his fellow soldiers who had been told to invade Iraq for false reasons from attack. He wasn't, however, protecting American freedom and security at home. And he should never have taken a mentally disturbed Veteran ( PTSD ?) to a firing range. Bad judgment.
That said, I feel bad about his misfortune after his valorous service to his country and the loss to his family. RIP.
For the same reasons hunters don't freely go hunting with strangers, due to gun safety doubts; one might think twice about bringing a lose cannon to the range.
there are no such thing as innocents in a combat zone.
I believe the Geneva Convention disagrees with you, I guess what you are saying is that Obama can bomb a village if there is one man that he deems to be killed there.
That is an interesting concept Bruce, so what you are saying is that there are no rules of war in practice as far as murdering civilians. I'd say that pretty well sums up what has been going on for the last few decades and before that.
And further, seeing how you agree with that, that the ends justify the means, why would any civilian think that they would be any more significant than a rat or a dog? And if civilians are no more important than a rat or a dog to the opposing army than why would not these civilians become combatants? Nice circle.
I don't really know much about PTSD, but you make this sound like taking a drunk to a bar to cure alcoholism.
And just like that, the three-time Republican presidential candidate's tenuous coalition of pro-gun libertarians, anti–Federal Reserve goldbugs, and foreign policy non-interventionists crumbled.
Crickets from Islander...
You were so quick to defend RonPaul yesterday.
Chirp... Chirp... Chirp...
And what about The Kids???
...Brakey, Boyer, Pffaff, Red, Wallace, Jones, Casey, Etc... You going to defend Your Dear Leader... OR is it finally time to admit he shouldn't be allowed leave his house without a note pinned to his sweater?
I wasn't defending him, just saying I thought the same thing, why would you bring a person with PTSD to a shooting range. I am still not sure why a libertarian scares you, but to each his own. I mean the bunch of republicans you elected were doing so well, we replaced them at the state level last election and do not see that changing in the future. Especially if you continue to disparage the RP folks.
"I don't really know much about PTSD, but you make this sound like taking a drunk to a bar to cure alcoholism."
Apparently Dr. Paul knows a lot less. Depending upon what "triggers" a PTSD sufferer has and their severity, taking him/her to a range is no more dangerous than taking anyone else. This knee jerk stereotypical reaction is one of the reasons why people who need it don't get help.
One would think that a person who goes by "Dr." would know better.
Just maybe it isn't his folks but him!!!!!
As for the future as always the picture is a anytime foggy and fuzzy!
It hasn't gone digital yet!
“I talk all the time about the importance of good support systems for those suffering from PTSD, and articulate, bright, fellow military members like Kyle might have an ability to help a young troop with PTSD more than most (others) might,” said Croft...
That’s why it would be very rare if, all of a sudden, (the suspect) got triggered feelings and then would turn the gun and shoot this guy in the back."
Apollo-Ron Paul,the less than perfect man and politician, is not the full sum and embodiment of the coalition that you partially describe. Limited government constitutionalists make up a greater part of that coalition.
Besides, it was the GOP's Old Guard coalition of Neo-Con foreign policy interventionist figures like Commentary Magazines John Podhoritz and "Conservative Inc.'s" "tax and borrow" Big Government "conservative" strategists like the quoted Wilson which led the GOP and conservative America to one of its greatest defeats in 2012, losing to one of weakest and most incompetent Presidents ever.
That wasn't Paul's doing. It was that of the gang that has led the GOP and run its disastrous fiscal, defense, and foreign policy since the end of the Reagan Administration. We can still hear echos of their arrogance and stupidity in the Chuck Hagel hearings. Dotty John McCain talks like the last 12 years didn't happen.
Kyle was killed because of his bad judgment with a very disturbed individual. His skill in war didn't save him from his very bad personal decision on dealing with a deranged veteran. Paul's less than graceful Tweet doesn't absolve the Neo-Cons and Conservative Inc. from their even greater catastrophic bad judgment with respect to Iraq and the American economy. The consequences of their bad judgment was much more costly than any thing either Paul or Kyle did.
It amazes me how quickly some will attempt to appease the crocodiles on the left by sacrificing our veterans. The media WANTS you to be afraid of returning soldiers in their effort to divide the country and pick away at the Second Amendment a little at a time. They WANT our returning soldiers, the ones who already have the best training Uncle Sam can provide, to be unarmed when they decide to come for your guns. They WANT you to see PTSD as a reason to take away guns as they add more and more reasons to that never ending list.
WAKE UP and educate yourself!
As a veteran, I certainly recognize that this weekend's violence and killing of Chris Kyle were a tragic and sad event. My condolences and prayers go out to Mr. Kyle's family. Unconstitutional and unnecessary wars have endless unintended consequences. A policy of non-violence, as Christ preached, would have prevented this and similar tragedies. -REP
from apollo's last link.
Paul doesn't have to apologize for his tweet, if anyone should apologize it is those that have propagated these wars for several decades, the wars have helped bankrupt this country and destroyed civil liberties here at home. The destruction of civil liberties continue under Obama and Congress continues to destroy our liberties every damn day. Kyle was just a soldier caught up in the fervor.
I assure you I won't be voting for Collins in 2 years, your kind need to be dethroned.
... Then be prepared to keep your Pie-Hole shut every time you consider whining about the lack of "Liberty" you're seeing from
Senator Rochelle Johnson Pingree $u$$man!!!
And you really think Collins is a whole lot different than Pingree when it comes to taking rights away? Lets see how she votes on the Immigration policy, gun control, more spending, more laws, my guess she will vote just like King and Pingree and Michaud
Collins has already proven herself to be part of the Royal Court, ohh you want 30,000 domestic drones, over a billions round for the federal branches, internet control, sure, 1700 M-16s, no problem, and I voted for the Clinton gun ban before and I'll do it again. Assault weapons shouldn't be on the streets unless a federal agent wields one.
You want our votes, then maybe she ought to "change".
What do Collins, Pingree, King, Michaud, or any of this other stuff have to do with Ron Paul sullying the name of a former Navy Seal who was trying to help out a fellow soldier who was going through a hard time? He screwed up, so admit it and let it die. Start a new thread where you can bash both parties all day long if you want, but have a little respect for this man's memory.
No No Butch you do not understand he is w/out fault !! It is someone elses' fault , not his !
Proven by above diatribes about everything and I suspect soon the ""heart break of psoriasis" but not his words!!!
He is w/out fault , can not be faulted !!
After all in all his years in Congress he solved all these ills how can he be faulted ?
Above stated w/ extreme sarcasm
Paul doesn't have to apologize for his tweet
Nah. He shouldn't apologize. After all, he is a principled man.
Chris Kyle was a sailor. Sailors don't start wars. Sailors don't establish foreign policy. Sailors get sent by those who do make policy and by those who do start wars to some God-forsaken hunk of wilderness to do a job. Paul preferred to bring politics into the death of a man who was a warrior for his country rather showing a modicum of humility and gratitude for that service.
After all, he is a principled man.
My humble opinion, the system is to blame. Veterans that are coming home are not getting the support they need or deserve.
As far as Ron Pauls statement, I didn't give it a second thought, it didn't bother me, as it didn't bother a lot of other vets I know.
We need to keep our eyes on the ball and not become distracted by the likes of Blaine or Apollo.