Sonny you wonderful guy FD found it in Waterville Sentinel read her post!
Look on AMG the site you are on right know and look for the thread title,"Union payments killed" !!!
None of which came from MSEA.
B.L. said: "FD found it you couldn't ????"
FD found an msea press release in their "The Stater".
You directed me to Maine media...and I found no recent story about this there.
So now what part of your allegation your proof don't you get?
Don't get me wrong...nothing would surprize me about a politicized legislature killing a good bill.
But you claimed (without citation) that this was reported in the news.
I googled Maine media and found nothing about it.
So I asked you for a citation (now for the 4th time) and typical fool that you are Bruce...
You blame me for not proving your point.
Stop drinking before you come on here.
Sonny, my first post did have an article from a local newspaper and then I removed the article. I will see if I can find it again, but those of us that live in Maine have heard it on the news, etc.
B.L.'s post was accurate. The Governor has taking FS off from the negotiating table and it is a dead topic!
Below is the link that takes you directly to "An Act To Make Voluntary Membership in a Public Employee Labor Organization in the State"
Sponsored by Representative Tom Winsor. See last entry 5/31/2012 - Action - The Bill was in Possession of the House when the Legislature adjourned sine DEAD. It is doubtful that the MSEA Boogy Man entered this action onto the State of Maine Legislature Webpage! So here is proof for those that constantly create issue after issue and refuse to listen to the news, evidence, truth and facts. The article that I posted above was sent to me by another member and I was asked if somebody could post this because they believed that it was relevant news for members, something new, factual and may be of interest to members that had not received this recent news. Many of us heard this news on June 1st.
B.L., you were not seeing things. I did post a news article and then deleted the news clipping because I am aware that few people are viewing this site and those that are do not take the time to open links and read the information. I decided to post the article that someone sent to me which gave a short description of what is happening with FS. The best and easiest way of posting "evidence" is to go directly onto the webpage of State of Maine. I will not be searching hard for anymore articles. Most have access to news articles and hopefully next week there will be more information.
Sonny try this.
sad down page it is there.
Thanks, B.L., I also saw letters to the editor in one of the newspapers but don't remember which one!
Your Welcome FD.
Since the legislation to end Fair Share is apparently 'dead', doeas anyone know if the State has withdrawn it's proposal basically doing the same thing, ending Fair Share mandates, through collective bargaining? Thanks tFD for the link.
BtoB for the 100th time the state cannot end FS mandate unless legislature changes the "LAW" which they chose not to do!!
The only offer was from MSEA on table. That i snow dead.
Remember MSEA had about 600 people not paying,joining, Ethan Strimling got a bill passed mandating FS and saving Baldaccis' butt where unions had supported him and not having to terminate non payers!
That was the law at the time!
For people so in the know there has been a consistent lack of knowledge about contract and statue consistently displayed here!
COULDN’T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF
The governor has also come to the defense of state employees whose paychecks are being looted by union bosses in Augusta. Year after year, thousands of state employees exercise their constitutional right not to join the Maine State Employees Association, which is affiliated with the notorious Service Employees International Union. Under the previous governor and Democrat-controlled Legislature, state workers who choose not to join were forced to contribute collective-bargaining fees to the union. What's more, the state began withholding these funds from employees' paychecks and turning the money over to the MSEA/SEIU. This money-laundering scheme was enacted on a straight party-line vote in the middle of the night with no public hearings or debate. Thank you, Maine Democrats. LePage wants to protect state workers from payroll plundering and end the state's role as collection agent for union bosses. The reform bill (LD 309) was carried over to the January 2012 session of the Legislature after Republican legislators caved in to union threats of mob action at the conclusion of public hearings last June. We will know in a few months whether the Republican majority understands what's at stake: defunding the left's political attack machine.
FD said: "B.L.'s post was accurate. The Governor has taking FS off from the negotiating table and it is a dead topic!"
The link Bruce Libby finally provided said the bill died in the Legislature.
Which I believe means that it died in committee after no action was taken on it after it was earlier tabled.
There was no information in that link provided about "fair share" being taken off the bargaining table.
If you have a news link about that then please provide it.
ROLL ANOTHER ONE...JUST LIKE THE OTHER ONE.
BL said: "...the state cannot end FS mandate unless legislature changes the "LAW" which they chose not to do!!"
I agree...all the more reason for Governor LePage to re-introduce the bill again in the Legislature.
Sonny, you are not understanding Maine's politics and the above article is old. It is dated November 2011. Things have drastically changed.
1. I posted the Legislature webpage that the Bill died. Yes, obviously it is DEAD because it was left.
2. The Republican's have the majority, they allowed the bill to die.
3. It will never pass because even the republican's will not deal with this bill.
4. If member's don't want to be a member they should drop memberships and this is not happening.
5. The bill is dead and FS is not on the bargainning table.
6. Yes, B.L. is correct. B.L. has stated this now for at least 3 years.
7. MSEA WINS!
8. And, this thread is helping who?
Thank you FD for listening and understanding !
Since the Law is the mandate, many times employers amend bargaining agreement language to provide that if the law is changed or retracted the agreement will NOT continue to require a condition which although NOT enforceable by Law would be enforceable through the Arbitration provision of the agreement. Many Bargaining Agreements have clauses which require a meet and negotiate if that were the case or a clause just adopting the new condition provided by the new legislation. Bruce's frustrated comment is correct in that the current law mandates fair share for State employees choosing not to join SEIu. Funny that it does not address the MTA or the MCCS which for so many other conditions are included as State Employees. However clearly the issue is dead.
With the glorious victory by Walker in Wisconsin, SEIu will undoutedly boycott Wisconsin cheese, but the writing is on the wall, for political public employee "unions" who think it is their job to dominate and controll the political climate effecting their hostages, ahh I mean members! The media has done a great job of analyzing this event with the most rediculous contributions by "union" leadership, well those being paid to lead, trying to dismiss the event as meaningless. Surprisingly the "unions" made the recall a referendum on themselves rather than Walker and it is reported large numbers of "union' members voted to keep Walker as a demonstration of opposition to the "unions". Maine's situation is far removed from Wisconsin, however there is equal sentiment which in fact, greatly helped LePage! Ahhh, November's coming!
HEE, HEE, HEE!
“Since 2000, unions have given over $700 million to Democrats—$45 million of it this year alone…What do they have to show for it?” …It’s all part of sad, abusive relationship, with labor playing the victim, making all the excuses a battered wife makes when her friends try to get her to leave her violent husband. “Obama will be better in the second term” (“He can change”), “Obama’s decision was strategic” (“He didn’t mean it”), “The Democrats still side with labor on core issues” (“There’s still some good in him”) and “We can’t fight these battles without allies in the government” (“I can’t survive on my own”).
THE LEAST WORST?
Union members who are loyal the Democratic Party insist that these people are still better than Republicans like Chris Christie and Scott Walker. That is true only (in) a technical sense. Walker and Christie want to practically destroy unions, while Cuomo wants to merely cripple their power, but keep them alive just enough so he can use them as a campaign ATM.
THESE ARE THE TIMES THAT TRY MEN’S SOULS!
FD said: “Sonny, you are not understanding Maine's politics and the above article is old. It is dated November 2011. Things have drastically changed.”
Errr…Easy with the melodrama.
It ain’t like we’re all being marched off to re-education camps in the countryside...yet.
FD said: “I posted the Legislature webpage that the Bill died. Yes, obviously it is DEAD because it was left”.
Which means the Governor can re-introduce it.
You know…get back in the batter’s box and swing again...harder & faster.
FD said: “The Republican's have the majority, they allowed the bill to die.”
George Wallace said it best: “There ain’t a dimes worth of difference between Republicans & Democrats.”
FD said: “It will never pass because even the republican's will not deal with this bill.”
The Governor simply has to make them a deal they can’t refuse.
FD said: “If member's don't want to be a member they should drop memberships and this is not happening.”
I don’t know if they can legally do this…but what the hey…it’s their life and money.
After all...it was illegal for Rosa Parks to sit at the front of the bus.
FD said: “The bill is dead and FS is not on the bargainning table.”
There are many other arrows in the Governor’s quiver on behalf of the taxpayers.
He and his team of advisors and negotiators will just have to be more creative.
Especially since collective bargaining offers parties many different outcomes.
FD said: “Yes, B.L. is correct. B.L. has stated this now for at least 3 years.”
Don’t encourage him.
FD said: “MSEA WINS!”
Says the summer soldier…
FD said: “And, this thread is helping who?”
It’s helping anyone seeking an alternative point of view from the usual political pabulum.
That said, I’ll leave you with this famous quote from Thomas Paine:
“THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.”
BL said: "Thank you FD for listening and understanding!"
Get a room.
THIS FROM SEIU :
We will challenge the unbridled power of the 1% and pervasive economic inequality and create the conditions for all working families win concrete victories for the 99%.
Exceptions of course will be made for the $250,000 + salaries of the SEIU leadership.
Who is credited with that quote? Challenge the 1%? Focus is a little High isn't it? Why don't they challenge the 96% between them and the hostages of SEIu? You know the ones with 17% less on the Belch=a=rollover, with NO contract, reduced benefits and having their numbers reduced unilateraly by contractors? When you are eating cow flop sandwiches you don't worry about the banquet menu! Anyway the 'Banquet' IS at 65 State Street! Do nothing and get paid six figures plus all the pizza and chips you can eat! You know, kind of hard to be the guy with the hot pokor in his eye, but nobody ever wonders what HE thinks as chances are pretty good it's..........GET THE POKOR OUT!.......But then some think the HOT POKOR is evergreen! You Survivor fans know, "Evergreen, the immunity necklace" for SEIu's failed bargaining!
DAT BE MIGHTEE FINE KOOLAID!.
BtB said: "Do nothing and get paid six figures plus all the pizza and chips you can eat!"
Don't forget the purple teeshirts....to go along with the purple koolaid....and only for a few million dollars a year.
BtB said: "Who is credited with that quote?"
It's from a blind editorial on SEIU's blog which means someone from SEIU HQ wrote it and put it there.
WHERE YOUR SEIu DUES MONEY IS GOING NOW!
To the NAACP and various environmental causes near and dear to SEIu leaders hearts.
And too bad what you think about all this.
The MSEA is "Fighting" for Their Members!!!
When you visit the MSEA's website ( http://www.mseaseiu.org/ ), you will see where their Vice President, Mr. Scott Austin, is painting a picture on the shore of Monhegan Island. It seems Mr. Austin is using the union website as a means to help him win an MPBN photo contest. This is just another example of what the union does best (NOTHING)!!!
TIT ON A BULL USELESS
The only thing missing was Mr. Austin eating a pizza....on your dimes.
MSEA-SEIU Local 1989 - A Truly Arrogant and Useless Organization
Well, When you visit the union website and go to non-member fees, you will see that the 2012 Beck/Hudson Notice is out. This notice is something required of unions to post their justification for taking your money. The interesting thing here is that for 2011, the full time bi-weekly membership dues were $19.50 while the full time bi-weekly employee service fees were $11.96 (or 61.34% of member dues) . Now in 2012, the MSEA plans to collect $20.00 from their full members every two weeks and $13.30 every two weeks from the those nasty scab service fee payers (or 65.67% of full member dues). Now isn't this just lovely!!! How in the world can this possibly be justified?? Wouldn't you think that perhaps the increase for non-members (scabs) would be no greater than the full members??? Well not in the mystical world of MSEA-SEIU Local 1989!!! They have the right to do anything they please (provided they get an accountant to check their arithmetic). Do you suppose the accountant delves very deep into how they arrived at the figures???? There is no need for that!!! You can trust the MSEA!!! There is no fighting this either as the MSEA has their very own "Impartial AAA Arbitrator" there to listen to the ridiculous pleas of anyone who might disagree. My wife has a great expression for the mechanism of challenging the service fee. She says that it's the same as "having a case with the Devil and trying it in Hell". Of course there is a chance of winning isn't there!!!
It would appear that those service fees are creeping up. Is it theoretically possible to have service fee payers pay the same amount as full union members??? Maybe if the service fee rose to a critical level in comparison to the full dues, those scabs would "find Jesus" and join the fold!!! It kind of gives you a warm, purple fuzzy feeling all over doesn't it??? Yes, we are talking Barney the smiling dinasaur with SEIU hat and t-shirt. After all, it is one big purple ocean out there!!!
If you are a non member go to fnacne and admin. and refuse to have your dues deducted if you haven't signed a payroll deduction card/authorization.
Great question Mr. Libby!! Some time back, a number of State employees chose to test the resolve of the MSEA and their willing accomplice (Baldacci Administration) to collect the service fees. They chose not to pay the fee to see if the administration would support the union and fire their scabby non-union butts for not paying their "fairshare". The tough thing was that many of these uncooperative service fee payers had previously been commended by the Baldacci and King administrations for truly outstanding work and contributions to the State of Maine. It would have been very difficult and embarrassing for John Elias Baldacci (JEB) to dismiss them!! So it turns out that JEB, Senator Ethan Strimling and the MSEA came up with legislation to "protect the employees from dismissal" by simply taking the money from the employees prior to the issuance of pay in much the same way as taxes are collected. In this way, the employee cannot be fired for not paying the fee. The scabs were simply forced into compliance!!!
So you see, the MSEA in concert with the Baldacci administration locked the situation up pretty well. Oh sure, you can quit, but you will never be fired for failure to pay the service fee!! There is no fighting this!!! And now with Governor LePage at the helm, one would have thought that the whims of Baldacci could simply be reversed. That is not the case!! The poison that JEB allowed into the State's bloodstream via his cozy, if not romantic relationship with the MSEA is here to stay and when Paul LePage has fought it, the union makes the claim that he is bargaining in bad faith. From a labor law precedent standpoint, they are probably correct. The State of Maine and the taxpayers are truly held hostage here by something they cannot get rid of. Unions and their influence in my view, are very much analogous to sexual transmitted diseases (STDs). JEB went to bed with the MSEA and caught something for the State (brought it home to "Momma") that Paul LePage cannot get rid of very easily if at all!!! I am a state employee who is VERY PLEASED that there is NO contract. My question is how long do the "evergreen clauses" run? Does anyone out there know??? It is my hope that the Governor is able to run out the terms of these clauses and we can start with a fresh slate. There is something to say for abstinance when it comes to labor unions!!!
Josef have you read this thread from page #1?
You have just rehashed history but not really indicated if you our others have done.
Lepage will do nothing or can't because of gutless legislators on these issues
Besides he doesn't respect employees anyway /