Mark Turek said: Since the puppet masters from SEIU have an upcoming training session, their promotional flyer is a nice example of what's wrong with MSEA: Just Click Here for that poster.
My God! MSEA Management's sense of Stalinism knows no bounds. They actually ask in that poster: "What do we, as unionists, need to do to improve the lives of working families and retired workers?"
Like the answers aren't already obvious: i.e. become a real live independent well-run non-coopted adversarial labor union...which of course would mean disaffiliating with SEIU and the Democratic Party of Maine (which would by itself save these workers millions of dollars in their hard paid dues) while in the process kicking your current managment team of Moe, Curley, Larry & Shemp to the curb.
Then this same poster of theirs also announces that this training session in New Hampshire will focus in part on "How to provide basic representational skills that are corner stones of strong union worksites."
I'll save anyone who is reading this thread a trip to New Hampshire then: just file relevant grievances and push them as quickly as you can to Arbitration as often as you can without firing and scumbagging your best labor advocates like Owen Sullivan (because he advocated on behalf of another MSEA employee that MSEA Management scumbagged after 23 years of loyal service) and without giving a damn about what Moe Belcher calls "...the unique relationship that exists between MSEA and the State."
And while we're at this, MSEA Managment should hire law firms like Drummond & Woodson in Portland and Johnson & Webbert in Augusta to fight the State and Legislature in Federal Court and at the National Labor Relations Board to improve the lives of working class families and retired workers rather than sicking them (as they have) on their former employee Owen Sullivan to cover their own ineffective and incompetant asses. After all, it ain't Belcher's money that's paying for these law firms - it's the working class families' and retired workers' money.
Franco-Republican said: "This website, although tiny in comparison to AMG, does have some lively discusssions. This, this, and this contain elements of the issues discussed in this thread."
Thanks for sharing that with us here. Although I get a big kick out of one of the posters there trying to explain what MSEA gets out of being affiliated with SEIU saying in effect: MSEA gets Organizers paid for by SEIU. So let's do the math: MSEA pays SEIU $1.8 million dollars a year to affiliate with SEIU and in return SEIU is now "paying" for a couple of Organizers at MSEA whose total annual salary and benefits are what $100 or $150, 000 dollars a year? Such a deal! They have got to be laughing their heads off down at SEIU HQ in DC. But this poster goes on about the legal advice MSEA gets from SEIU. However he/she neglects to mention that MSEA already has two Lawyers on their Legal Staff not counting Moe Belcher (and MSEA used to have more Lawyers on staff prior to affiliating with SEIU) and MSEA Management already pays for Special Counsel (such as Drummond & Woodson and Johnson & Webbert) out of MSEA's own budget. All of which begs the question: what quanity of legal advice does MSEA actually get from SEIU that MSEA couldn't already get on their own in-house or from the market? Finally this poster resorts to the old Wobblie line about one world union and helping bus drivers in France. Please! The most successful labor unions in the US were non-ideological bread & butter unions like the AFL and the Teamsters that subscribed to an independent adversarial labor relations service delivery model for their members who were of many different political stripes and opinions. Now I dare this poster to call the AFL or the Teamsters parochial. And if he/she is really so concerned about all the workers of the world, then why oh why affiliate with SEIU after what SEIU President Andrew Stern has done to Healthworkers in California (just google the name Sal Roselli) and School Teachers in Puerto Rico?
I want to let all of you know, I won my grievance against the State this past Wed but no thanks to BLECHER, HILTZ or DeAraujo. If it had not been the hard work of one Anna O'Connell then Owen Sullivan, the groundwork for the last Rep who got stuck with the pre-arbitration would not have stood a chance. The three above tried to derail my day by firing Owen Sullivan but it was too late as he had gotten his points out there and they could not be reversed. So now I will have another chance go after what I was trying to get in the first place. Oh I know I'll still need to keep Notes, but right now, I can breath a bit easier.
Congratulations Towncrier and good luck!
This is just one more testimonial of how MSEA Managment undermines the membership on behalf of the State by getting rid of their best advocates.
Now do you all understand what Moe Belcher meant by "...the unique relationship that exists between MSEA and the State"?
And speaking of solidarity for ever, why aren't people like Unionman and Narsbars speaking out against this kind of counter-insurgency crap?
After all, who has Mark Turek ever fired at MSEA?
Wow, just had some time to look at the discussion on the forum that Franco linked. Not a lot of open minds there. Logic and facts really seem to confuse the pro-union crowd. I spent years as a full dues paying member having identical discussions with the "leaders" of MSEA/SEIU. On the one hand we are encouraged to think globally, but when confronted with the opposition to creating (good paying mostly union) jobs in Alaska, well the environment has to be protected. They would rather see jobs exported to China (with no environmental controls at all) than to give jobs to union brothers and sisters here in the USA. Incredible! For the life of me I can't understand that attitude. Well yes I can. It is truly about money and power. I'm just surprised that so many members fail to grasp that they are being ripped off.
From the Governor:
Thank you for contacting me and bringing to my attention your concerns about your situation. I appreciate hearing from you, and I can understand your frustration with this situation.
In my unique position of Governor, I do not have oversight over independent agencies, such as the Maine Turnpike Authority. However, in an effort to be helpful, I have contacted the Executive Director's office at the Maine Turnpike Authority and requested a review of the information you have provided. I have asked his office to respond directly to you with any helpful information and/or recommendations for recourse. I hope this matter will soon be resolved to your satisfaction.
In the meantime, if I can be of any further assistance with other matters relating to State government, please do not hesitate to contact me.
With best wishes.
Al Greenlaw said: "...we are encouraged to think globally"
Because some left-wing Stalinists at SEIU HQ in DC have a one world union fantasy where all union dues are paid to them and only them. Sorry, but my wages, hours and working condition concerns in Augusta, Maine have jack all to do with bus drivers in France. Proof: did the State of Maine Governor and Legislature cut the longevity and salaries of those French bus drivers? Because if they did (and they didn't) can you imagine those French bus drivers taking it laying down like sheepish MSEA members? Those French bus drivers would have barricades in the streets and a nation-wide solidarity strike. Everyone would be walking to work.
I'm just surprised that so many members fail to grasp that they are being ripped off.
P.T. Barnum said it best: "There is a sucker born every minute."
I'm still waiting for MSEA to schedule arbitration on my grievance for reimbursement of department requiring me to purchase safety equiptment that they ordered me to buy and pay for many others yet they deny me. also a vacation that was denied after I was told there shouldn't be a problem. after I purchased tickets they then denied the vacation 2 weeks before departure. this was in Feb. should this take this long?
In my unique position of Governor, I do not have oversight over independent agencies, such as the Maine Turnpike Authority.
As far as I know that is a true statement.
In the meantime, if I can be of any further assistance with other matters relating to State government, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Publicly condemn management unions everywhere as a fraud on all working people and then take your own dog leash off of MSEA or at least start providing all State workers with disability insurance.
BiddlefordSteve said: "...should this take this long?"
For a management union, yes. For a real live independent adversarial union, no. And if you're cool with the former, then good luck, but you'd be even cooler with the latter however that would mean kicking your current MSEA Managment team of Moe, Curley & Larry to the curb and replacing them with real live trade unionists, then disaffiliating with SEIU and insisting upon partisan neutrality politically.
Hey BIDDEFORDSTEVE, Mine took 18 months from the start to the end and I was being presistant too. I was such a pain in their asses they put Owen on my case and when he got as bad me, they fired him. So if you have only waited a few months, HANG ON and DON'T STOP pestering them. Keep writing Hiltz and Belcher as well as the President. Keep copies of evey e mail you send and receive from them as they could prove to be very valuble down the road if someone loses their cool and says something STUPID.
Good Luck and if you need any help in the way of pointers, PM me.
When a member has to fight their union for months just to push a legitimate grievance along to arbitration...well...
That says it all really.
But when that same union fires the Rep they assigned to the case because he dared to push it along...well...
That says it all too.
Time to impeach Moe, Curley & Larry and take our union back.
Now you know why Unionman & Narsbars aren't participatiing in this thread...
They can't call us anti-union and get away with it.
Surely there's a message somewhere in all that blank space. LOL!
I really need to stop wandering around the forum that Franco pointed us to.
I found this tidbit regarding the tea parties. This is the mindset of SEIU folks.Tea parties although sad and manipulated by the talk show hosts and some in the Radical right are protected speech.
Extremism without violence or coercion while sad in this case is no crime
So how do they figure that people peacefully protesting taxation is extremism?
Typical Stalinists - they can't handle any disagreement.
By the way, Barry Goldwater said it best: "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice."
And only King George III, LBJ Democrats (whatever they are) and SEIU would disagree.
Another interesting UnionMaine web-site discussion here. Sonny your description of "Stalinists" seems pretty dead on. I've never encountered such an anti-corporate attitutde.
And aren't MSEA and SEIU both chartered corporate entities themselves with an eye on business growth, i.e. getting more members buying the services MSEA-SEIU are selling? Don't get me wrong - nobody likes a crooked business or crooked businessmen but that shouldn't mean throwing the baby (good unions & businesses) out with the bathwater (bad unions & businesses).
Now this just in from my MSEA Field Rep - he/she tells me that word has it that Tim Belcher is applying for other jobs because his managment contract is up at the next MSEA Board of Directors' meeting two weeks from now and Belcher sees the writing on the wall given this will be the worst Executive Branch bargaining ever at MSEA to say nothing about all those independent Federal and State agencies that are currently investigating MSEA because of Belcher-DeAraujo&Hiltz's mismanagement of the place that MSEA is now paying private law firms thousands of dollars of MSEA dues to defend against. Also many of the other non-management staff at MSEA are also looking for other work (for less pay even) because they can't stand working for these people anymore.
So now is the time for the MSEA members to lobby all the Board of Directors to make a clean slate of things by firing the entire Belcher management team otherwise we'll just be getting more of the politically coopted same.
Sonny, that is a great idea! In order to make it as easy as possible for members to reach the Board, here is a fairly recent list from MSEA's website:
MSEA BOARD OF DIRECTORS:
Bruce Hodsdon, President
E-mail - Home:email@example.com
E-mail - Work: firstname.lastname@example.org
Ginette Rivard, Vice-President
E-mail - Work: email@example.com
Mark Landry , Treasurer
E-mail - Home:firstname.lastname@example.org
E-mail - Work: email@example.com
Tina Hamilton , Secretary
E-mail - Home: firstname.lastname@example.org
E-mail - Work: email@example.com
Kandi Jenkins, Area I
E-mail - Home: firstname.lastname@example.org
E-mail - Work: email@example.com
Amy Blanchette, Area I
E-mail - Work: firstname.lastname@example.org
Wade Colpitts, Area I
E-mail - Home: email@example.com
E-mail - Work: firstname.lastname@example.org
William "Bill" Bernier , Area I
E-mail - Home: email@example.com
E-mail - Work: firstname.lastname@example.org
Scott Austin , Area II
E-mail - Home: email@example.com
E-mail - Work: firstname.lastname@example.org
Ramona Welton , Area II
E-mail - Home: email@example.com
E-mail - Work: firstname.lastname@example.org
Bruce Prindall, Area II
E-mail - Home: email@example.com
E-mail - Work: firstname.lastname@example.org
Scott Neumeyer, Area II
E-mail - Home: email@example.com
E-mail - Work: firstname.lastname@example.org
Ben Viola,Area III
E-mail - Home: email@example.com
E-mail - Work: firstname.lastname@example.org
Ginne Hebert , Area III
E-mail - Home: email@example.com
E-mail - Work: firstname.lastname@example.org
Melanie Collins, Area III
E-mail - Home: email@example.com
Dean Staffieri, Area III
E-mail - Home: firstname.lastname@example.org
E-mail - Work: email@example.com
John Hinkley, Retiree Director
E-mail - Home: firstname.lastname@example.org
Jacquelyn "Jackie" Roach, Retiree Director
E-mail - Home: email@example.com
As of: 5/31/2009 5:57 PM
Thanks for providing that list Mark!
And I just noticed that there are an even number (18) of Directors on this MSEA Board.
Any idea on how they'd break a tie vote?
Save us Jesus if they can't move off this dirty dime of Belcher-DeAraujo & Hiltz.
Because you can bet there are at least some Directors who are friends with these people.
So let's just hope they can put the good of our union before their friendship with Moe, Curley & Larry.
Because Tim "Moe" Belcher and company are the best things that ever happened for the State of Maine at MSEA.
And if you don't think so then just read your next contract and weep.
I hate to say I told you all so but recall I said earlier on this thread that I once heard MSEA Field Services Director Rodney Hiltz say that "...MSEA has a highly evolved relationship with the State and so the traditional adversarial labor relations model doesn't really apply" or words to that effect. And I worried aloud that Tim Belcher then assigned Rod Hiltz to lead the Executive Branch bargaining this time around, and I said: "Watch how this highly evolved relationship translates into MSEA selling you all on what little the Governor wants to give you". And here we are now on the verge of the worst executive branch collective bargaining contract ever with MSEA Managment desparately trying to blow smoke up all your asses with tent city protests and waste of time mediation and arbitration sessions in light of the Legislature's recent Budget Law. Had enough? Because if you haven't had enough of this Belcher-DeAraujo-Hiltz counterinsurgency mismanaging our union, they'll keep it up UNTIL WE STOP THEM.
It looks like today's weather will be perfect for MSEA's Tent City protest in Augusta (as per: www.mseaseiu.org). In fact, perhaps God will send down some heavy rain upon these union/PAC puppet masters and aspiring puppets as a symbolic gesture against their silly effort.
I wonder how many of our tax dollars will get wasted for this protest?
I wonder why SEIU has not commented on the screwing the Indiana public pension fund received from the Obama driven Chrysler bankruptcy? That fund is for teachers, state employees, police, and firefighters. The fund purchased Chrysler corporate bonds that were supposed to be secured in case of bankruptcy. Not only are they being paid after the unsecured loans made by the UAW, but are being reimbursed far less than other creditors. I believe that the total investment was close to $50 million. They will be reimbused at 29 cents to the dollar. Contracts mean nothing to this administration. Who will buy these bonds in the future if there is no guarantee of payment? Since SEIU represents millions of public employees, you would think that might cause them some concern. Guess not.
HAIL, SIEG HEIL, HAIL the Union. True, great, and just! HAIL, SIEG HEIL, HAIL the Union. New owners of GM and Chrysler! Stick with them loyal comrade. They will lead you through! HAIL, SIEG HEIL, HAIL fellow socialists! LOYALTY to the Union, or you will be sent packing! HAIL, SIEG HEIL, HAIL the UNION!!! HAIL, SIEG HEIL, HAIL dear COMRADE!
A symbolic gesture for a symbolic gesture.
Ah well, that should balance out the universe.
Then maybe when the sun shines that'll be symbolic of enlightenment as in "What the hell are we doing out here?"
Al Greenlaw said: Contracts mean nothing to this administration.
Actually, contracts mean nothing in bankruptcy that's why so many companies utilize it in part to railroad Union collective bargaining agreements. But since SEIU (Andrew Stern) has been coopted by the Democratic Party there'll be no SEIU criticism of President Obama because political cooption works the same way in DC as in Maine.
Sonny bankruptcy has to do with creditors and how they will be paid. Generally speaking unions are not creditors or are unsecured creditors at best. Since the founding of this country the secured creditors have always stood first in line because they are the ones who have bought the corporate bonds and funneled money directly into the businesses. It is not lawful - or at least didn't used to be - for bankruptcy courts to arbitrarily change the rules, as has been done here.
Sonny bankruptcy has to do with creditors and how they will be paid.
Or how they won’t be paid because Bankruptcy is really all about giving debtors (all debtors – which would include present day creditors) a fresh start.
Generally speaking unions are not creditors or are unsecured creditors at best.
Which is why labor unions generally get railroaded in this process.
Since the founding of this country the secured creditors have always stood first in line
Actually even before the founding of this country and pretty much every where in the world creditors have lent money in exchange for collateral securing the debt.
because they are the ones who have bought the corporate bonds and funneled money directly into the businesses.
OK, but what would be their security for the debt?
It is not lawful - or at least didn't used to be - for bankruptcy courts to arbitrarily change the rules, as has been done here.
Sonny the state of Delaware, where both GM and Chrysler are incorparated have specific criteria in dealing with these matters. Secured creditors are to paid first and in full, which could require a total liquidation of the company. There was no need to do so here, but what happened is that the Obama administration placed the UAW first in line and gave them the biggest share and left the secured bond holders - the public pension fund of Indiana for one - holding the bag. Who is going to buy these bonds in the future, the UAW? Certainly not investment bankers or pension funds.
At the risk of appearing to defend Obama, how could Obama or any President change the order of creditors in a Bankruptcy Court? What ever happened to separation of powers? I mean it's bad enough we have to tolerate people like Tim "Moe" Belcher who think think they're above the law and reproach.