we are left to wonder if the accusation of murder is legit or pandering to the black community.
You may wonder. I don't.
Or given what has to be proved to convict it might just be a nice way to resolve the mess by having a trial.
The 2nd degree charge requires proving the state of mind of the accused ,heard a analysis that stated this might be a difficult leap in this case.
The powderkeg is there with the fuse already in it.
If not the Zimmerman case, something else will light it.
With a case such as this it's very easy to be sucked in to all the speculation about what took place. Our own personal bias generally sets us up on one side or the other based on the controversy surrounding the case or "alleged facts" that are in dispute. What we know is that both Martin and Zimmerman were on the street that night and both had a legal right to be there. We further know that something happened between the two and Martin was killed.
Could politics be at play as was the case in the Duke Lacrosse case? Absolutely! Do we know that for a fact? Absolutely not! IN order to bring the 2nd degree murder charge the prosecutor had to weigh any possible affirmative defense such as the Stand Your Ground law. She came to the conclusion that the killing of Martin was not justifiable under the law. Zimmerman's lawyers will likely use it as their defense.
We do not know the facts of this case or the evidence that will be presented. Those will be used to determine what happened that night. That is what our justice system was designed to do. A jury will make the final decsion.
A public hearing of the evidence may resolve the situation. It may. It conceivably might get the New Black Panthers out of the lynching business.
Do you think the ghettos that are being stirred up by the race baiters such as Obama, Jackson, Farrakhan and Sharpton will care about the outcome of a trial, one way or the other?
Those who are interested in seeking the truth will be satisfied. Those interested in anything else will not.
"Attorney Craig Sonner and Hal Uhrig... haven't heard from George Zimmerman since Sunday. ...against their advice, Zimmerman contacted...special prosecutor who will decide if he should face charges."
Never talk to the prosecutor, he sunk his own boat
The lamb has been led to the killing floor.
Justice is a joke in this country.
I was going to let this thread and issue go, but then read this:
Astounding interview and article. This is a LOCAL news department at a Tampa TV station. If this kind of fawning apologism for race hatred and race wars can now be found in a LOCAL news desk, and the news department can get away with it scot-free, then there is no doubt that the race wars are coming soon. We know that the New Black Panther spokeswoman is wicked, but here is her "interviewer", revealed to be just as thoroughly wicked. And the scent of utter, raw propoganda used to further a truly evil, wicked cause.
Our fall is not yet complete.
Jim, I don't make it a habit of listening to Neo-Nazi's or Black Panthers hurl their venom. I also don't believe its reflective of the views of the majority of Americans. Now I do believe this current administration and its supporters don't do anything to combat these tensions, especially among blacks. Obama views racism as a one way street. He believes that by definition only whites can be racists.
Here is the Probable Cause Affidavit for the charge. I'm going to keep an open mind, but if I'm the defense attorney I think I'm feeling pretty good.
“Most affidavits of probable cause are very thin. This is so thin that it won’t make it past a judge on a second degree murder charge,” Dershowitz said. “There’s simply nothing in there that would justify second degree murder.”
Alan Dershowitz: Zimmerman Arrest Affidavit "Irresponsible And Unethical
I've always had a soft spot for Alan Dershowitz. Maybe it's because I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood and I appreciate his unabashed support for Israel.
So, lovers of justice - tell me, does the judge throw it out, or let the circus continue?
Here's the Second Degree Murderr statute:
The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
I tend to agree with Mr Dershowitz. I was surprised by the Murder 2 charge. I was even more surprised at the use of the term "profiled" in the affidaivit. As to your question Tom, I don't know!
I tend to agree with Jim, If I am the defense attorney I am feeling much better about this now.
I still suspect a strong political motivation behind this as thousands of folks appeared to just be waiting for the riots to start. And jail is not all that bad a place for Mr Zimmerman at the moment, with a number of loose cannons running around, inspired by Jackson, Sharpton, our POTUS and especially our dirty AG Holder, who would like nothing better than to put MR Zimmerman to sleep permenantly.
The affidavit is VERY thin, and it may be that Ms. Corey has some piece of evidence that the public is not privy too but what I have seen, that people have put together with maps, 911 tapes and chronological displays of same, certainly demonstrate quite a bit of doubt as to what happened here.
We will see eventually.
Whats happened to the Zimmerman family's charge that Holder is a racist for granting the Black Panther Party a right to express hate speech? Seems like a very legitimate claim. I guess justice is not entirely blind.
The entire liberal philosophy is based on myths about victimhood. They are constantly looking for cases to "prove" that it exists. Time and time the search is fruitless, and cases that appear to fit the narrative are touted, and then found to be baseless.
We see this happen time and time again. You'd think they would have learned SOMETHING from the Duke case, and others.
But the liberals just forget about the past, and continue to search for that holy grail that will prove they were right all along. The fact that the media plays along with it just proves what we're known all along, that they aren't interested in the truth, thier primary purpose is to push the liberal agenda, no matter what lies they have to tell to do that. This case has a lot more in common with "To Kill a Mockingbird" than the liberals recognize.
Ultimately, this case enforces the conservative beliefs, and discounts the liberal agenda.
People are figuring it out, and that's why the liberal's popular support continues to drop. And living in their intellectual bubble, the liberals are clueless about that, and think they're still relevant.
George Zimmerman has been released on bail.
......."George Zimmerman was released on $150,000 bail late Sunday night in what the Associated Press called a “low-key event.”......
In anything but a "low-key" response the lynch mob has started up on twitter as the ignorance emerges from the darkness.
.......""@xSimplyAniya: I think imma personally kill George Zimmerman"....JAWANS GIRLFRIEND
......"I WOULD KILL DA SHYT OUTTA DAT ZIMMERMAN DUDE IF I SAW HIS ASSS BOAAAAA".....NAY NAY
And on and on, ad nauseum
To say that this response is "appalling" would be the understatement of the year!
Owens is in critical condition, three days after police say he was beaten by "multiple people" armed with chairs, pipes and paint cans Saturday night in front of his house.
What Parker says happened next could make the fallout from the brutal beating even worse. As the attackers walked away, leaving Owen bleeding on the ground, Parker says one of them said "Now thats justice for Trayvon."
Man Beaten By Mob, Arrests Expected Today
Time for a lawsuit against Sharpton, Jackson, et al.
Dershowitz said he believes the prosecution may be guilty of committing an ethical violation, and potentially may have committed a criminal act, by charging second degree murder.
If the prosecution had access to a photograph showing the bloodied head of Zimmerman, taken immediately after the incident, there was no basis for a second degree murder charge. If so, Dershowitz believes they would be guilty of Subornation of Perjury which is a very serious charge.
Dershowitz: Zimmerman prosecutors should be investigated
Our "justice" system at work.
More disgust for our "justice system":
According to the documents released Tuesday, Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a nose fracture and two cuts to the back of his head
ABC News reports the medical records were part of evidence that prosecutors have in the second-degree murder case against Zimmerman.
Trayvon Martin Shooting: George Zimmerman suffered two black eyes, broken nose, court documents say
Autopsy results show Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles
......"SANFORD, Fla. WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died".....
....."The information could support George Zimmerman's claim that Martin beat him up before Zimmerman shot and killed him".......
And this blockbuster news.
FBI may charge George Zimmerman with hate crime!
....." WFTV has learned charges against George Zimmerman could be getting more serious. State prosecutors said Zimmerman, a neighborhood watchman, profiled and stalked 17-year-old Trayvon Martin before killing him, so the FBI is now looking into charging him with a hate crime"......
......"He's facing a second-degree murder charge, which carries a maximum possible sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole. But if Zimmerman is charged and found guilty of a federal hate crime involving murder, he could face the death penalty"......
Just what the race-baiters want
Unless the verdict has already been bought by the DNC, Zimmerman will walk.
Or, if he's smart, run......... into hiding.
Is there a way he can sue for having been brought up on charges the powers that be should have known weren't true?
Here's the game/set/match question for the M.E.:
"How likely is it that Mr. Martin could have inflicted the injuries described in the police and medical reports AFTER being shot?"
I recall a case years and years ago about an NYPD officer, I think it was, who was shot fatally in the heart, but lived for about 30 seconds to kill his attacker. The brain can operate for up to dozens of seconds after the blood flow stops. It's unusual to do a lot during that time, though.
The lame stream media is changing it's story, saying only that this news "leaves questions". They are now switching their focus to the "cause of the confrontation," changing the rules again.
TJC, I'm certain Zimmerman's attorney will ask for a dismissal based on the ME report and injuries to his client, citing the Stand Your Ground defense. Do you think he allows it to go to trial?
I don't think he has a choice. There's jurisdiction, there's no statute of limitation issue, no federal immunity involved and PLENTY of evidence that Zimmerman pulled the trigger.
The rubber meets the road when the prosecutor rests. Besides, there's no "double jeopardy" protection until a jury is empaneled.
Tom: We often refer to the ability to act following heart stoppage as "the dead man's five seconds". For the ME, the question isn't gonna be posed as "how long was Martin able to think" (if the defense does it right). It will be phrased "Is it likely that he could have broken Zimmerman's nose, injured his back, cut the back of his head on the ground and broken his nose before becoming unable to punch from the wound effects?"
FINALLY a story that tells the obvious truth:
The new medical reports on the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case tell us a lot. And it is not just for what they find, but also what they don’t find.
Lawyer says Zimmerman medical report leaked to boost case
Refreshing from the lefty MSM line that the medical reports "raise questions." Good Lord, man, they ANSWER QUESTIONS, not raise them.
They are reduced to a shred of credibility on this case - and that is... "Well, the medical reports don't tell us who the aggressor is." Gosh, talk about blind.
So, where's the mea culpa? MSM? Shapton? Jackson? ... Bueller? Bueller?
Didn't they originally say that Martin hadn't touched Zimmerman?
The attorney representing Trayvon Martin's parents said Wednesday a medical report detailing injuries sustained by the man who said he shot Trayvon was leaked to bolster his claims of self-defense
And the problem with that is?
"[Trayvon] was fighting for his life," Crump told CNN's Anderson Cooper. "Let's not forget that..."
This guy has got to be on drugs.
Now the Martin camp is saying that the injuries "only showed up the next day."
Errr.... one problem. I understand the police of a photo of Zimmerman AT THE SCENE with a bloody nose.
Game, set and match.
You know what the story is that needs to be covered? The dishonesty of the media and the shamelessness of the race-baiters. Duke redux.