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According to the author he

According to the author he has 5 235 Watt panels. That amounts to 1175 Watts. This rating is under the ideal conditions of a noon sun and no clouds. A steam iron draws about 1000 Watts. I leave you to conclude how much of his actual electricity needs are being provided by these panels.

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You only need that 1kw while

You only need that 1kw while actually ironing. The idea is to save it up, either banking it in the grid or in batteries, and use it when you need it. The critical factor is whether the energy stored over a month is more or less than what is used in a month - and whether the benefit justifies the cost.

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According to sources on the

According to sources on the internet, the average U.S. household use of electricity is 32 KWh per day. That is nearly 30 times the output of the solar panels described in the article. If you use more than is being generated there is no surplus to store.

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The guy isn't making

The guy isn't making outrageous claims of astonishing results. All he's saying . . and demonstrating . . is that his system keeps him out of the more expensive band of consumption. He's saving money and, in two more years, his system will have paid for itself.

Many among the ranks of full time RVrs like to talk about days and even weeks of not running an engine or generator thanks to solar.

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I didn't say he was making

I didn't say he was making outrageous claims. What I am saying is that your Progressive handlers are trying to convince their surrogates that we should abandon fossil fuels because they are polluting the environment. If you buy that argument you will further the interests (Money) of those producing the wind turbines and solar power panels which, it so happens, are mostly manufactured in other countries.

In case you were unaware, carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is essential to all plant life and thereby to human life that consumes some of it as fuel, either directly or from animals fed on plants. The amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is only a few percent of the total and is replenished only by the burning of the very plant life that it creates. It is a precarious balance and if we adhere to the Progressive mantra and stop burning fossil fuels the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will reduce and plant life will be starved to extinction.

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"...YOUR progressive handlers

"...YOUR progressive handlers..."

"In case YOU were unaware..."

There he goes again....drawing folks in to his "accessible" pontifications....

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And what is wrong with that?

And what is wrong with that? I recognize that to some the truth may seem like dogma but if you cannot refute it, it does no harm. Are you afraid the truth may allow others to question your version of it?

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"I'm afraid the truth is"

"I'm afraid the truth is" that you have no clue as to how to draw readers in rather than alienate them from the git-go. You have a constant air of condescension. Whatever merits your ideas may or may not have, you habitually start off your messages with the likes of "though you are not worthy of my attention, I'll make an exception in this case to lift you out of the intellectual gutter you reside in."

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I have never started my posts

I have never started my posts with such condescension. I do not put forward ideas but attempt to illuminate the truth. In that case the truth hurts because you have swallowed whole the half truths and lies of the Progressives you continue to support.

I have consistently criticized our economic system as leading to the earlier demise of the human race because it is the truth. How can a system survive if it is nothing more than a government generated Ponzi scheme because instead of being consumed the dollar which measures it accumulates and hence loses purchasing power with each additional dollar added to the system? In 1914 you could buy an ounce of gold for about $18 dollars because that what it cost in kcals to produce it. That same ounce of gold now costs over $1000 dollars yet it is still only one ounce. In 1957 I was hired as an engineer at $5,000 per year sans benefits. A person with the same degree and no experience enters the work force at $35,000 and if you earn only $20,000 you are considered in poverty if you have a wife and 2 children. You have to be blind to see there is nothing wrong with this system and it is the government that has adopted it that manipulates it through the tax code so as to unequally distribute nature's wealth..

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Who were you addressing with

"I have never started my posts with such condescension."

Who are you trying to kid, besides your own-self? Over and over I cite passages from your own words, and you act as if you never said such a thing!

If you believe yourself in such assertions, you have to be the most self-unaware on anyone on this site.

Who were you addressing with this:

" In that case the truth hurts because you have swallowed whole the half truths and lies of the Progressives you continue to support."

Want to explain that one? The double use of "you" seems clearly directed at me. Care to prove your charge?

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As of 11/2 (the most recent

As of 11/2 (the most recent fuel report I have), and in a little over 26 months (new truck, not new job), I have consumed 44,709 gallons of fossil fuels in a selfish pursuit of an income. Please, don't tell my progressive handlers.

Carefully reread what I wrote: I love diesel. And, if it can save a few hundred bucks, I like solar, too.

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Wow; 57 gallons of diesel a

Wow; 57 gallons of diesel a day!

Can I guess that you are a long haul truck driver?

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It was a very wise man that

It was a very wise man that opined you should never get into a debate with a fool. Care to reference the source of the quote you claim is mine?

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Why don't you look at the one

Why don't you look at the one from yesterday at 5:12 pm?
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I have never started my posts with such condescension. I do not put forward ideas but attempt to illuminate the truth. In that case the truth hurts because you have swallowed whole the half truths and lies of the Progressives you continue to support.

I have consistently criticized our economic system as leading to the earlier demise of the human race because it is the truth. How can a system survive if it is nothing more than a government generated Ponzi scheme because instead of being consumed the dollar which measures it accumulates and hence loses purchasing power with each additional dollar added to the system? In 1914 you could buy an ounce of gold for about $18 dollars because that what it cost in kcals to produce it. That same ounce of gold now costs over $1000 dollars yet it is still only one ounce. In 1957 I was hired as an engineer at $5,000 per year sans benefits. A person with the same degree and no experience enters the work force at $35,000 and if you earn only $20,000 you are considered in poverty if you have a wife and 2 children. You have to be blind to see there is nothing wrong with this system and it is the government that has adopted it that manipulates it through the tax code so as to unequally distribute nature's wealth..

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And then there is this one:

And then there is this one:

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I didn't say he was making

I didn't say he was making outrageous claims. What I am saying is that your Progressive handlers are trying to convince their surrogates that we should abandon fossil fuels because they are polluting the environment. If you buy that argument you will further the interests (Money) of those producing the wind turbines and solar power panels which, it so happens, are mostly manufactured in other countries.

In case you were unaware, carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is essential to all plant life and thereby to human life that consumes some of it as fuel, either directly or from animals fed on plants. The amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is only a few percent of the total and is replenished only by the burning of the very plant life that it creates. It is a precarious balance and if we adhere to the Progressive mantra and stop burning fossil fuels the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere will reduce and plant life will be starved to extinction.
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Maybe you need to keep a separate log of your posts that you can search on your own. In case you are unaware, I don't offer free web research services for those who can't remember what they posted.

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Mel: You cited that I said

Mel: You cited that I said "though you are not worthy of my attention, I'll make an exception in this case to lift you out of the intellectual gutter you reside in." I do not see that anywhere in your attempt to claim I said such a thing. All your comments are like fake news.

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A reader attuned to social

A reader attuned to social cues and linguistic cues would recognize that "the likes of" was followed by a paraphrase or interpretation of your typical comments.

And the rest of them recently posted indicate clearly that they are your exact words. Why don't you try defending those if you don't like the sarcastic license applied in "the likes of."

Sarcasm is a literary construct used for effect.

Condescension is not.

Which is what your addressing habits are.

Fake news? Where do I begin with your accusations........

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@pmconusa: " If you buy that

@pmconusa: " If you buy that argument you will further the interests (Money) of those producing the wind turbines and solar power panels which, it so happens, are mostly manufactured in other countries."

Conversely, fossil fuel industrialists tell you that fossil fuels do not pollute anything. If you buy *that* argument, you are furthering the interests of fossil fuel peddlers.

What you should really do is look at the science yourself and decide. And by *you*, I don't mean pmconusa, since you'll just mangle the shit out of it.

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