StandforMarriageMaine Launches TV Ad #2: Everything To Do With Schools

522 posts / 0 new
Last post
bob emrich
Offline
Joined: 01/28/2000 - 1:01am
Dan, Gerald is apparently

Dan,
Gerald is apparently too busy to answer, so I will.
The teacher used by the proponents of homosexual marriage is one who pushed for the introduction of the GSLEN (Gay, Lesbian Straight Education Network) curriculum in her school district.
Yes, the same ad where you here that it is not being taught in schools.

GSLEN has hijacked the "Safe School" efforts and the antibullying efforts for their own agenda. But why deny that such things are being taught when they clearly are and will be more so if LD 1020 is allowed to stand?

Cuz
Offline
Joined: 05/08/2005 - 12:01am
Gerald, You are very good

Gerald,

You are very good with your wording to disguise what you are saying. In your words (post 25 this thread)

"Sodomy is not limited to gay men, but can be practiced by hetero couples too...." is a true statement. However the wool you are trying to pull over people's eyes is also clear. Without going into explicit details, there are many definitions of sodomy which I am sure you are aware of.

Your statement saying it "can be practiced by hetero couples too" is true, in many of it's various forms. Also true is the unstated, they don't have to perform it in a committed sex act. Some do, some don't.

However, the (select one: homosexual, gay, same sex couple) cannot perform a committed sex act without the exercise of performing sodomy.

To endorse (select one: homosexual, gay, same sex) marriage, one must therefore endorse sodomy in any or all of its forms.

To require the public at large to recognize (select one: homosexual, gay, same sex) marriage, is to thereby require the public to support sodomy in any or all of its forms, which violates the freedom of choice and association of far greater majority.

Tom C
Offline
Joined: 01/03/2006 - 6:00pm
The teacher used by the

The teacher used by the proponents of homosexual marriage is one who pushed for the introduction of the GSLEN (Gay, Lesbian Straight Education Network) curriculum in her school district.

Well, that's interesting. I don't remember seeing that disclosed.

Let's look over Gerald's posts and see the desciptions he used to describe hiding one's affliations:

Now, according the Gerald's own rules we must now conclude that gay advocates try to "deceive viewers into believing that she is some Average Jo," "didn't disclose this pertinent information to viewers of the ad," and the ad is of a "deceitful nature"

lol.

Hey, Gerald, I'm just pointing out what you said, bud.

Remember: "Facts are not smears"

And we search Gerald's posts for the money quote... there it is!

"The irony is palpable, and I do love irony."

Whoa - Katie, bar the door! That one is OUTTA here!

lol!

Dan Billings
Offline
Joined: 10/02/2005 - 12:01am
Neither teacher should be

Neither teacher should be disqualified from speaking out based on their other activtities. It is unfortunate that folks are subject to being attacked simply for becoming involved in a campaign.

I will note that Bob responded to a question that was reasonably raised by Gerald's post and the left's attacks on those appearing in the SFMM ads. SFMM did not make an issue of the teacher's background.

Tom C
Offline
Joined: 01/03/2006 - 6:00pm
Neither teacher should be

Neither teacher should be disqualified from speaking out based on their other activtities.

I agree. The problem is Gerald posted information to AMG that came from a gay activist smear of the pro-marriage spokesperson.

There is a full-blown smear campaign going on right now against this brave woman in the leftie blogosphere.

From Charlotte and Gerald's reactions, you can see that this type of behavior is going to be a staple of the leftie effort on this referendum.

Dan Billings
Offline
Joined: 10/02/2005 - 12:01am
Tom: I agree.

Tom: I agree.

Dan Billings
Offline
Joined: 10/02/2005 - 12:01am
The Withrlins are Mormon.

The Withrlins are Mormon. Robb Wirthlin's father Joseph was an apostle in the Mormon church.

Maine Public Radio

So what? How is this relevant to the issue at hand? Are we now discounting a person's views based on their religion?

I have dealt with Susan Sharon as a reporter a number of times over the last 15 years. I have always found her fair and professional. I like her, and her husband, personally. But this story is not her best work. I question how this piece, with the line above included, ever made the air.

Domino
Offline
Joined: 08/17/2005 - 12:01am
So, I am hearing lots of

So, I am hearing lots of anti-sodomy talk... and I am starting to wonder if the law stated that only LESBIANS could marry, you kids would be all right with that........ Silly men....

Average Joe
Offline
Joined: 10/23/2003 - 12:01am
Doesn't the fact that the

Doesn't the fact that the Mormon Church has poured millions into anti-gay marriage efforts bring the Wirthlins' affiliation into play?

charlotte
Offline
Joined: 04/09/2005 - 12:01am
Tom/Dan...you actually

Tom/Dan...you actually believe that detailing Ms. Bansleys affiliations (example Concerned Women for America...) is a smear campaign?

Traci G
Offline
Joined: 10/16/2007 - 6:27pm
doesnt the fact that GSLEN's

doesnt the fact that GSLEN's goal is to bring this material to schools come in to play with the other teacher?

charlotte
Offline
Joined: 04/09/2005 - 12:01am
Traci there is no mandated

Traci there is no mandated material (regarding marriage of any kind) that is going to go into play if same sex marriage gets voted in. That teacher (teacher of the year) is representing her opinion...Does she have any affiliation with gay groups? Not that I can substantiate. Ms. Bansley has direct affliations with anti-gay groups. That is the difference.

Dan Billings
Offline
Joined: 10/02/2005 - 12:01am
AJ: Sure. But do we assume

AJ: Sure. But do we assume that every Mormon holds the same views on gay marriage due to the church's position on the issue?

There are a number of churches that are very active in support of gay marriage. Do reporters ask gay marriage supporters their religion and then point out if they are members of a UU when such people are mentioned in a news story? I have never seen it.

Charlotte: There was no reporting on the political affiliations of the teacher that appeared in the pro-gay marriage ad. The difference in treatment of the two teachers is stark.

Traci G
Offline
Joined: 10/16/2007 - 6:27pm
diversity training that

diversity training that includes sexual orientation is already in schools charlotte. same sex marriage law will just give the special interests groups (from away) more of a leg to stand on in presenting it.

The Distributist
Offline
Joined: 05/15/2005 - 12:01am
...and the founder of GLESN

...and the founder of GLESN is in charge of creating "safe" environments in the nation's schools. THAT should be concerning to all.

Average Joe
Offline
Joined: 10/23/2003 - 12:01am
No, we certainly wouldn't

No, we certainly wouldn't want "safe" environments.

Tom C
Offline
Joined: 01/03/2006 - 6:00pm
Tom/Dan...you actually

Tom/Dan...you actually believe that detailing Ms. Bansleys affiliations (example Concerned Women for America...) is a smear campaign?

Gosh, Charlotte, gay activists have been railing about "deceit," claiming that it was unfair that the teacher's affiliation weren't spelled out, when their own spokesman has been a gay rights activist.

Got hypocrisy?

And looking at the blog posting, with such titles as: "That “Maine Teacher” Is No Stranger To Anti-Gay Lies," it is pefectly obvious that it has boiled down to a personal attack. That can not be denied at this point.

Look gay rights activists NEED to attack their opponents. It is the only way that can address the complaints about what they are doing.

That's why there was such cheering on the gay rights side for Perez Hilton. It was only when the general public's attention to his work, the obscene, genital-laced sketching came to light did some of the gay rights people try to distance themselves from him. But, it wasn’t because they disagreed with him, heck, every gay blog in the country was cheering loudly for him for the first week or so.

They had to distance himself because he was exposing their "gay culture is wholesome" lie.

And that is clear when we see the SAME personal smear tactics here in Maine - the gay rights activists, yourself included - just jumping on the smear wagon.

It's just your nature.

Domino
Offline
Joined: 08/17/2005 - 12:01am
Ave. J, I have been up since

Ave. J, I have been up since 4am, and you made my morning.

Average Joe
Offline
Joined: 10/23/2003 - 12:01am
D, happy to oblige.

D, happy to oblige.

charlotte
Offline
Joined: 04/09/2005 - 12:01am
Dan...one of the teachers is

Dan...one of the teachers is the leader of Concerned Women for America...the other one is not. Discussing that fact...is not attacking Ms. Bansley...it is just stating facts.

AJ...hahhaha.

Traci...nope.

Tom...is there any post where you can stick to the topic...? I understand...you don't like anyone who is a gay activist (as defined by you). Lets move on.

Tuna
Offline
Joined: 04/27/2009 - 12:57pm
It's like Naran can predict

It's like Naran can predict the future!!

Gerald Weinand
GLSEN (pronounced glissen) is

GLSEN (pronounced glissen) is a national group with 40 chapters across the country. Despite Emrich's claim, there is no "curriculum" that is part of GLSEN.

Gay-Straight Alliances (GSA's) are groups formed by students at a school that have become so concerned about attacks on themselves or their fellow students that have come together to stop it. Like any club at a high school, they require a faculty sponsor.

It is important to note that GSA's are clubs that meet after regular school hours, like the chess club or Key club.

One of the activities common for a GSA is to ask their fellow students to not use language that is derogatory against lesbian and gays. Words like "faggot," "dyke," etc. Students voluntarily sign a public pledge that they will not do so - at Deering High School in Portland, these pledges - some more than two years old - are still on display.

From the website of the Southern Maine Chapter:

GLSEN is a national education organization making schools safer for ALL students, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity/expression. GLSEN Southern Maine is one of two GLSEN chapters in Maine [Downeast GLSEN, in ELlsworth, is the other>. GLSEN Southern Maine was founded in 1996. Its members consult with school administrators and provide resources and support for the Gay Straight Alliances in high schools in southern and midcoast Maine. For information about GLSEN Southern Maine's monthly meetings, and GLSEN-sponsored monthly GSA Nights, see the calendar.

I have not confirmed that Sherri Gould, the 2005 Maine Teacher of the Year, is the faculty adviser to a GSA at Nokomis (I haven't confirmed that they have a GSA there, for that matter). But GLSEN is a group that promotes a safe environment in which ALL children have an opportunity to attend a school that is safe, free from violence.

Do any of you have a problem with that? Would you rather that public schools in Maine were not safe?

The Distributist
Offline
Joined: 05/15/2005 - 12:01am
GERALD:Gay-Straight Alliances

GERALD:Gay-Straight Alliances (GSA's) are groups formed by students at a school that have become so concerned about attacks on themselves or their fellow students that have come together to stop it.

Can you prove this, please, with links? Can you show us where "attacks", consistent enough to warrant creation of a "club" to confront them instead of handling the "attacks" through previously existing channels like school authorities or law enforcement, have lead to the formation of GLESN groups? Please show us where the "attacks" lead to the groups formation. I just want to make sure these groups aren't coming in and forming under the assumption that attacks are inevitable and they are preemptively creating a safer environment than would eventually be created by all the hate out there. Which came first, GLESN or the attacks? Links, please.

Gerald Weinand
The Distributist: How many

The Distributist:

How many attacks do you think are necessary before students decided to form a group?

25?

50?

Let me ask you this: should students wait for a fatality accident before they decide to form a Students Against Drunk Driving (SADD) club?

You crack me up - in your world, a group whose entire purpose is take make a school campus a safer place is a bad thing.

The Distributist
Offline
Joined: 05/15/2005 - 12:01am
I'll take that response as a

I'll take that response as a lack of proof that these groups are forming to address preexisting "attacks". There are already mechanisms in place to address bullying, violent behavior, knife fights, wedgies and hazing. Homosexual thought police are not required.

Traci G
Offline
Joined: 10/16/2007 - 6:27pm
Gerald there is no adult

Gerald there is no adult organization behind these groups? or adult funding? you must take people for idiots to try to make that one pass the sniff test.

Traci G
Offline
Joined: 10/16/2007 - 6:27pm
that took all of what ten

that took all of what ten minutes to find??? and i made coffee and fed my dogs in that space of time as well. this is student initiated?

http://new.glsen.org/cgi-bin/iowa/educator/library/record/1748.html

Mainestreet
Offline
Joined: 06/05/2006 - 8:03pm
Charlotte: " Traci there is

Charlotte: " Traci there is no mandated material (regarding marriage of any kind) that is going to go into play if same sex marriage gets voted in. That teacher (teacher of the year) is representing her opinion...Does she have any affiliation with gay groups? Not that I can substantiate. Ms. Bansley has direct affliations with anti-gay groups. That is the difference."

Charlotte, do you think this top government appointee will have any influence on our schools?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/23/critics-assail-obamas-safe-sc...

http://americansfortruth.com/issues/youth-and-schools

Traci G
Offline
Joined: 10/16/2007 - 6:27pm
Gerald said "I have not

Gerald said "I have not confirmed that Sherri Gould, the 2005 Maine Teacher of the Year, is the faculty adviser to a GSA at Nokomis "

that took two minutes to prove with a quick google search~
http://glsengsa.wordpress.com/upcoming-events/

Sherri Gould Says:

February 20, 2008 at 2:31 am
Hi to all from a newly-formed GSA in central Maine at Nokomis Regional High. I’m a co-advisor with Jennie Todd, a guidance counselor at NRH, and we’re off to a great start. We would LOVE to get together with established GSAs and could offer our central Maine site for the spring GLSEN GSA night this spring.

charlie neville
Online
Joined: 10/17/2005 - 6:31am
This ad has everything to do

This ad has everything to do with schools. The ballot question doesn't!

Traditional "Marriage" will survive and half of all that go this route will divorce. Tried it in my youth, didn't work. Lived together since. Parting is just easier, the state's not involved.

charlie

charlie

Pages

Log in to post comments