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[size=18]Plans to develop city pier unveiled[/size]

By TREVOR MAXWELL, Staff Writer

Friday, February 23, 2007

Portland officials unwrapped two competing plans Thursday to redevelop the Maine State Pier with a hotel, office building, restaurants and docking space for cruise ships and other vessels.

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One developer is Portsmouth, N.H.-based Ocean Properties Ltd., led by Chairman Tom Walsh and Vice President of Development Robert Baldacci, brother of Gov. John Baldacci. They have joined for this proposal with former U.S. Sen. George Mitchell.

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Anyone seen the Environmental Impact Statements from these proposed projects? How about intervenor status from the Natural Resources Council of Maine, Maine Audubon and other elite enviros? Or are these things reserved for economic development in rural Maine?

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[quote]only 2 of 30 interested [/quote]
This means nothing. Anyone who wants a copy of the RFP is considered an iterested party. I did not request on this time, but have in the past.

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Quit whining Scott.

This sounds like a great project that will benefit all.

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[quote="Editor"]Anyone seen the Environmental Impact Statements from these proposed projects? How about intervenor status from the Natural Resources Council of Maine, Maine Audubon and other elite enviros? Or are these things reserved for economic development in rural Maine?
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There is a major difference between redeveloping a site that has been used for commercial and industrial uses for 200 years and the development of what has traditionally been woods.

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laMaine -

Perfect score! You dodge every serious question.

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Actually well over 300 years, but who is counting.

Ocean Properties is going to win this one. As much as I would probably prefer seeing Olympia get it, they pissed off the city by failing to produce on a previous redevlopment project.

I have not reviewed the two proposals so the above is based on my knowledge of city politcs.

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Editor:

Is your question that you want all the enviro-wackos to fight this project, just because they raise questions about projects in the Northern Maine Woods?

I find it ironic that petty jealousy would reign your opinion here.

Aren't you for economic development and building a tax base?

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It is wrong that the city has one set of rules for its property and a much more stringent set of rules for the rest of the waterfront.

This project is a good thing, but the rest of the pier owners should have a similar opportunity.

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[size=18]Public can weigh in early on pier plans[/size]

By TOM BELL, Staff Writer

Saturday, February 24, 2007

Two Portland nonprofit groups aren't waiting for city officials to get residents talking about two new proposals for developing the Maine State Pier. Portland Trails and Greater Portland Landmarks will host a forum on the topic next week.

Both proposals unveiled Thursday would transform an old and underused working pier into a mixed-use urban neighborhood, possibly setting a precedent for how the rest of the city's waterfront will be developed over the next several decades.

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No Scott a whole different breed of obstructionist
wacko will come ou tof closet to attack this one!

All one has to do is envision them all getting on train at East end beach
for the ceremonial journey of protest and arguing!

I wonder what this will do to the already planned projects across street
i.e. Shipyard and Village cafe site? Something tells me this is why
Jordans' meat site got stoped by developers as they were going to be in competition with
city!

State Pier should have been repaired years ago as part of deal to lease it to BIW
which would have lessoned the fleecing of Portland they gave it!

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laMaine -

Here's the point: I see few, if any, southern Maine projects blocked for enviro considerations. In rural Maine the exact opposite is true.

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NIMBYism has stopped plenty of southern Maine projects -- Walmart in Westbrook; Walmart in the midcoast; a big proposed development next to the Interstate in Topsham is on hold due to a moratorium.

Those are just off the top of my head.

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NIMBYism is different, Dan.

Think about the Atlantic Salmon and then think about southern Maine's New England Cottontail. 'Nuff said.

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NIMYs often use environmental arguments in there efforts. It is all part of the same bigger problem.

Editor: Do you not see any difference between redeveloping an already developed commercial site and developing an area traditionally used for agriculture or forestry?

By the way -- what projects in rural Maine in the last 5 years have actually been stopped due to environmental issues?

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[b]Submerged lands issue could put pier project at risk[/b]
April 20, 2007

PORTLAND, Maine --[b]Plans to redevelop the city-owned Maine State Pier have hit a snag because a state agency is disputing the ownership and use of submerged lands beneath the pier.[/b]

Two companies have submitted competing $90 million plans to redevelop the 85-year-old pier and adjacent land with mixed-use developments that include hotels, restaurants and offices.

[url=http://www.boston.com/news/local/maine/articles/2007/04/20/submerged_lan...

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[size=18]Question of fairness plagues city process to redevelop pier[/size]
By KELLEY BOUCHARD, Staff Writer

Saturday, April 21, 2007

Two months ago, Portland officials received two competing $90 million proposals to redevelop the dilapidated Maine State Pier.

Since then, the proposal from The Olympia Cos. of Portland has stayed largely the same. But the other, from Ocean Properties Ltd. of Portsmouth, N.H., has changed significantly.

The discrepancy has raised questions about the fairness of Portland's review process…

[url=http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/news/local/070421pier.html]SOURCE[/url]

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STATE NO- Developers Have Competing Plans For Portland Pier

[size=18]Product more important than process for pier[/size]

Wednesday, April 25, 2007

Flexibility or adherence to traditional methods of planning for development? That's the core of a debate facing Portland officials, as they move to decide on which proposal, and thus which company, they'll choose to develop the Maine State Pier. It's worth noting that the project is huge, entailing about $90 million, so a lot is riding on the outcome.

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[b]State's interest is preserving the 'public' in public submerged lands[/b]
By Dan Prichard

Sunday, April 29, 2007

An April 20 story in the Portland Press Herald and an editorial in the Telegram April 22 concerning the Maine State Pier and the submerged lands under it have raised questions for many people.

The comments about public submerged lands were said to cast doubt on the future commercial development of the pier and thus the prosperity of Portland's waterfront.

[url=http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/viewpoints/mvoice/070429forum.html]sou...

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STATE NO- Developers Have Competing Plans For Portland Pier

[b]City needs fair process for pier plans[/b]

By George J. Mitchell

Thursday, May 10, 2007

[size=9]About the Author
George J. Mitchell, a former U.S. senator from Maine, is a partner in Ocean Properties, one of two firms applying to develop the Maine State Pier.[/size]

As a partner in Ocean Properties -- one of two developers bidding on the project to redevelop the Maine State Pier -- I am proud to be a part of an exciting venture that will make Portland an even more desirable and attractive city.

The city is fortunate to have competing bids; competition will help assure that the result will be a vast improvement over the aging, deteriorating pier…

[url=http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/viewpoints/mvoice/070510voices.html]so...

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