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Syria is rapidly transforming from Obama's Sarajevo into Trump's Sarajevo.

There is still some dispute as to whether the Assad regime indeed used chemical weapons - it certainly doesn't make sense from a geopolitical standpoint (they were already winning, why make themselves look bad), but the evidence still stands.

Even if they aren't using chemical weapons, he's still responsible for this:

and this:

I won't add images of yesterday's gas attacks but you get the picture.

Trump has pretty much been against intervention in Syria but I would hope that he would at least throw up a no-fly-zone.

(Before anyone starts in on, "AC, where were you when Obama let him cross the red line", I agree, his handling of Syria was terrible. My question is, will Trump's handling of Syria be equally terrible?)

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The only solution probably is

The only solution probably is getting together with Putin and coming up with a plan to deal with the parties.
Actually events in St. Pete. probably are related to why Putin would do it.

On the other hand how anything doing with Putin would be used to further the crusade to attack Trump!

Guess what we should stay out except for direct hits on Isis and then leave.
Having Sen, McCain do anything si probably not a good idea.

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Bruce is correct. Trumps

Bruce is correct. Trumps ability to make amends with Russia and actually work with V. Putin is a good thing. The total defeat of the democrat agenda of attempting to incite war with Russia after nearly 100 years of of fawning over the Soviets is laughable at best. Peace among countries is never a bad thing. I suspect that such an alliance will be necessary in dealing with the little maggot in N. Korea. He may or may not be acting on orders from Beijing. That remains to be seen. What would be best would be for China to have their lap dog curb his ridiculous behavior and act respectable. If not the replace him. (one way or another). That would be in everyone's best interest and avoid a war that no one wants.

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I predict that nuclear

I predict that nuclear fallout will be a problem for someone before little short/round is disposed of.

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Putin is assad's primary

Putin is assad's primary enabler. There would be no assad regime if Russia hadn't propped it up in the months post-Arab spring. Why are Syrians fleeing to Europe and beyond? It ain't "just" Isis. It's because it's dictator gasses his own people.

If you think the doughy boy tyrant of north Korea is more of a threat to stability than someone like assad, you're not paying attention. Are his own people suffering? Of course. (But when has anyone one AMG given a rats ass about suffering in countries that have no effect on the US. America first!) Are they fleeing here? Nope. When he crosses the line, china will smack him upside the head like the little insolent snot he is. We don't need trump playing sabre rattling tough guy against this pathetic regime.

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Matt: What will your opinion

Matt: What will your opinion be should Mr. Sta Puff think he has China at his back and one of those tests "mistakenly" detonate over Seoul or Tokyo?
ON another note, this could also be a diversion by China to keep us out of the conflict in the South China Sea and ignore our defense treaties while China invades the Spratly islands for the oil located there.

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It does fit perfectly in with its Putin's fault narrative however, as the propaganda is meant to fit. As far as your no-fly zone, yeah that is Mccain's Hiliary and Lindseys narrative, confrontations with the Russians because the military industrialists need to suck more money out of Amerika.

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Another question is:

Another question is:
Why can't someone find a person with a bribe of a life time supply of Charm in Toilet tissue to cap this guy .
Ever wonder how many o those guys behind him with little notebooks write FU on them?

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You are a fn idiot or a neocon stooge, you decide. So Assad is responsible for the destruction of Syria as Ghadaffi was responsible for the destruction of Libya. POS like you shouldn't be allowed to live in this world.

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Putin will back Assad.

Putin will back Assad. Believe it or not, they are still pursuing warm water ports, after all these decades.

As much as Donnie is cozy with Putin, he will have absolutely no sway with him over this, you can put that down as a genuine AC prediction. (Unless he offers something insane, like to dismantle NATO or to stop shipping natural gas to Europe.)

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At this point ,Assad is the

At this point ,Assad is the lesser of two evils. Both ISIS and Assad need to go but one at a time.

(Is it possible that Assad has been fighting the core of ISIS all this time? Something to think about.)

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"You are a fn idiot or a

"You are a fn idiot or a neocon stooge, you decide. So Assad is responsible for the destruction of Syria as Ghadaffi was responsible for the destruction of Libya. POS like you shouldn't be allowed to live in this world."

That's a bit harsh. I would say that at this point Syria is a bit more f*cked than Libya, but then, I'm a neocon stooge.

Let's put it this way: do you think Bill Clinton was right to not intervene in Sarajevo & Rwanda? Do you agree that Obama did the right thing by not acting during his term?

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@Rebecca:"At this point

@Rebecca:
"At this point ,Assad is the lesser of two evils. Both ISIS and Assad need to go but one at a time.

(Is it possible that Assad has been fighting the core of ISIS all this time? Something to think about.)"

I agree that ISIS is a higher priority (though both Trump & Obama are right in that it should be the Iraqis/Kurds/Syrian ground troops that defeat them, not ours, as it would create a difficult rebuild).

However, allowing chemical weapons to be used without consequence sends a bad message to the rest of the world.

Even if the Assad bombers didn't use chemical weapons, they bombed a bunch of little kids. Why not put a no fly zone up? It would prevent this kind of crap without intervening with ground troops.

(And don't hate on it just because Hillary supported it - please examine the idea without political strings.)

Edit: it's worth mentioning that the no-fly zone over Saddam's Iraq established by Bush 41 worked to great success, until 43 decided to invade.

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Take a deep breath people.

Take a deep breath people. Russia's economy is smaller than either Italy's or New York State's economy. Yes, Assad is a bad actor, but we should have learned a few lessons about intervention in Muslim countries. Back around 1993, Muslim terrorists killed over 600,000 Christians in Rwanda - with machetes. This is their stated goal for us all and for Assad. Nobody should expect Assad to simply walk away from his nation and leave it to ISIS.

This is where we find ourselves. Somebody hit an ISIS site and the site contained sarin agents. Some of the sarin containers leaked and killed .dozens of people in the neighborhood. It's easy to blame the explosion on Assad, but who knows who did it? Russia has been hitting ISIS and we should expect Putin to step up his efforts against Muslim extremists after St. Petersburg.

Aside from opposing ISIS, the USA does not have a dog in this fight in Syria. Assad has never attacked the USA or any ally of ours as far as I know. Our country never intervened in behalf of the Christians in Rwanda. The UN had troops in the country as "peacekeepers". They were ordered not to intervene. Why were the UN troops there in the first place if not to intervene? The world is in a mess and is devolving into entropy. I expect that Russia will pick over what is left of Syria and send many of its people to France and Germany.

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You know what is a bit harsh, for that bitch Hiliary and Obama to promote a civil war in Libya along with the French colonialists and destroy the most prosperous nation in Northern Africa for some sweet crude and to show that they could, and then not content with that they took the arms and jihadists and threw then against Assad as to fulfill the continued destabilization of the region as planned by the Bush administration and the psychos in the pentagon and neocon think tanks.

Then to add a bit more harshness the cia and backed ngos overthrew the elected administration of Ukraine and installed a puppet government.

And A Coward now says let's institute a no-fly zone over Syria for further confrontation against Russia,maybe I was wrong you aren't a neocon stooge just a fn idiot who thinks he can back the Russian bear into the corner of a cage?

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Anon....

Anon....
Just to clarify as things are a little messy here, how do you want to be addressed,Mr. POS or Mr. fn idiot ?
It really really is difficult keeping things straight nowadays.

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Anon....

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This shit has been going on

This shit has been going on before I was born, and I'd suspect before my father was born, in lesser stages as the shit had to be applied. It has been exponentially increasing like the debt ever since. Do they really expect us to believe the shit they are feeding us?

Katy Matt Holt all a bunch of chumps paid in full and bought in full to jump through the hoops likes dogs at the now "banned circus" .

"Hiliary Lost" how could it be ? Boo hoo.

Let's send Trump a proposition that he can't refuse, as so many POTUS before him in so many ways.

Do you wonder where your retirement went, where your children's future went? follow the money, it went to the 1 %, boy that is a damn surprise, wasn't Obama and the Dems.... wasn't Trump a man of the people, making America great again, apparently making the 1 % great again.

By his actions we shall know him

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I predict Trump will launch a

I predict Trump will launch a proportionate strike along the lines of say 50 Tomahawk cruise missiles and probably at the airbase from which the sirin attack was launched . .

Alright, I cheated. I was actually going to post that, earlier today, I heard that in 2013 Trump had tweeted that we had no business messing around in Syria and I hope he still feels the same way. Guess not and I hope the new strategy as at least as brilliant as his previous one.

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"Back around 1993, Muslim

"Back around 1993, Muslim terrorists killed over 600,000 Christians in Rwanda - with machetes."

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Ek, is your breathtakingly ignorant take the product of stupidity or dishonesty? You have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about. Get a clue.

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So now that President Trump

So now that President Trump has bombed Putin's ally Assad how does that play into the whole "Putin enabled trump's election" narrative? That really fly in the face of the lefts whole play book.....And Hilarity coming out in support of bombing Syria in response to the gassing of innocents puts her on the same side as Trump as well.......Wowser ,we live in interesting times.

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Interesting times indeed.

Interesting times indeed.

@Roger: yes, we stood by while people were butchered by machetes, and it was a huge mistake.

Of course, it could be argued that the Dem guilt over Rwanda led to the invasion of Iraq (it was as much the congressional Dems as it was Bush 43 who were responsible), so would be nice to have some tempered, rational thought in the leadership in Washington.

@johnw: as much as I'd love to quibble about partisan politicking I would aver that we have much bigger issues at stake now.

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Trump is Hiliary Clinton in

Trump is Hiliary Clinton in drag, it took 75 days for Trump to be neutered.

Making America Great Again, we have a new liar-in-chief, nothing has changed.

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"Roger: yes, we stood by

"Roger: yes, we stood by while people were butchered by machetes, and it was a huge mistake."

Would you tell Matt? He has not seen it in his progressive mantra manual so he thinks it didn't happen.

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Roger Ek, it wasn't muslims

Roger Ek, it wasn't muslims killing Christians. It was Hutus killing Tutsis.

Again, is your ignorance on the topic willfull or careless?

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Matt, you're a moron.

By the way, you smug jerk, Roger did more overseas fighting on his worst day than you ever did in your life. He is very aware of who fought whom over the last 50 or 60 years.

Anyway, how is the Tinder thing going? Have you been able to get a date?

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AC I know wondering how the

AC I know wondering how the progressive left reconciles their Russia /Trump mantra is partisan, but it has been their whole basis for attempting to delegitimize his presidency. Which are the Russians friend or foe........looks and sounds like foe to me.
Nicky Haley certainly didn't sound very pro -Russian at the UN........

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"but it has been their whole

"but it has been their whole basis for attempting to delegitimize his presidency"

That, but also his insane tweets

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And of course, it takes a

And of course, it takes a military strike to bring us all together:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-clear-majority-of-senators-suppor...

(When's the last time you heard the phrase, "clear majority of senators", other than, "a clear majority of senators are spoiled brats"?)

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