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[quote] State Prosecutor David Smith said he wondered why Julie Amero didn't just pull the plug on her classroom computer.

The six-person jury Friday may have been wondering the same thing when they convicted Amero, 40, of Windham of four counts of risk of injury to a minor, or impairing the morals of a child. It took them less than two hours to decide the verdict. She faces a sentence of up to 40 years in prison.

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"The pop-ups never went away," Amero testified. "They were continuous."[/quote]

[url=http://www.norwichbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070106/NEWS0... Bulletin[/url]

EJ
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I read the article, as an IT person, this is common. She should not go to jail, not be on trial, this is crazy...

Spyware does this.

Good god, this is not good...

EJ

Tom C
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[quote]But Smith countered Horner's testimony with that of Norwich Police Detective Mark Lounsbury, a computer crimes investigator. On a projected image of the list of Web sites visited while Amero was working, Lounsbury pointed out several highlighted links.

"You have to physically click on it to get to those sites," Smith said. "I think the evidence is overwhelming that she did intend to access those Web sites."[/quote]

Isn't this untrue? Don't links show up if you have merely visited them - not because you clicked on the link you are looking at on the page? That supports the defense that the computer automatically sent her to those sites, not that she deliberately visited them.

I smell a 'Rat.

Calvin
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I just watched a 20/20 episode tonight of a case in Arizona and it IS possible for in invade your computer and put stuff on it without your knowlege., I would think this would especially be true for those that are not real computer savy. :shock:

They say never open un-solicited e-mail. But you have to click on it before you can delete it.

Andrew Ian Dodge
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Yeah this is pretty bad.

Tom C
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Time and time again we see justice derailed by abitious and sleazy prosecutors who use the system for person gain - Fells Acres, Mike Nifong, Janet Reno's questionable prosecutions in Florida, the list goes on and on.

David Hughes
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EJ, dumb question here.

While it may be common for it to happen, what on gods green earth makes it common for a teacher, even a substitute, to not seek help for the situation as described?

It does not take a rocket scientist to recognize that what is being shown on the computer isn't something that belongs in a school. If ones own attempts to put an end to it are fruitless why continue on using the computers? Why not call someone in the schools IT department to get it fixed?

I don't think she was convicted on what happened alone, I think she was convicted because of what actions she did, or did not, take to correct the problem. The prosecutor asked why she didn't just pull the plug. I ask why she didn't inform the principal the IT department or anyone else when it became appearant to her that she no longer had control of it. Doing so would likely have saved her a trial.

Calvin
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She was a substitute teacher. It sounds like she didn't know how to use the computer in a fashion to avoid those sites and possibly the linkage to them was already in the computer. To be able to make a correct and fair judgement I hope everyone on the jury was a computer wizz. ( fat chance :roll: )

Tom C
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[quote="David Hughes"]EJ, dumb question here.

While it may be common for it to happen, what on gods green earth makes it common for a teacher, even a substitute, to not seek help for the situation as described?

It does not take a rocket scientist to recognize that what is being shown on the computer isn't something that belongs in a school. If ones own attempts to put an end to it are fruitless why continue on using the computers? Why not call someone in the schools IT department to get it fixed?
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I doubt if this is included in her training - she didn't know what to do because no one ever told her what to do when this particular situation came up. I suppose the defense could have included the school training and requirements for substitute teachers in order to show that she did NOT violate school policy - there was no polcy addressing that situation.

Either way, the verdict appears to be unjust.

David Hughes
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the verdict does not appear unjust. Whether it becomes unjust depends on the sentencing.

Naran
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Guilty of stupidity, for sure. Deserving of jail time? Doubtful. Who is served?

One can hope the sentencing will not be meted out as if she had intent.

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"Guilty of stupidity, for sure."

Naivete, maybe. She was a [i]substitute teacher[/i]. They are fine people to be sure, but there's no requirement to be a member of the Mensa society in order to get a sub certificate.

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If a candidate for substitute teaching doesn't know it's advisable to pull the plug on classroom porn, I think classifying her actions as "stupid" is being charitable.

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[quote]Computer expert W. Herbert Horner, testifying in Amero's defense, said he found spyware on the computer and an innocent hair styling Web site "that led to this pornographic loop that was out of control."

"If you try to get out of it, you're trapped," Horner said.[/quote]

Why didn't she just unplug the monitor, if not the computer itself?

I still don't think this deserves jail time, however. Not unless they can prove intent. Especially if her record is clean otherwise.

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Tom,

Yes, the links are usually a different color regardless of whether you clicked on them or were redirected to them by another server. Most browser histories can be set to purge links older than a selected time interval - but sometimes this interval is effectively unending. Also, most browser histories will show both the first time and the most recent time a given link has been visited - again regardless of whether the viewer was unknowingly redirected there. I'm not aware of any which tally any hits between first & most recent. If the computer in question indeed had spyware on it, the school's IT person was grossly negligent.

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I know many of you cling to your sexist beliefs that only men do this stuff, but here's an interesting note.

[quote]But Smith countered Horner's testimony with that of Norwich Police Detective Mark Lounsbury, a computer crimes investigator. On a projected image of the list of Web sites visited while Amero was working, Lounsbury pointed out several highlighted links.

"You have to physically click on it to get to those sites," Smith said. "I think the evidence is overwhelming that she did intend to access those Web sites."[/quote]

No spyware I know of highlights links.

Stavros Mendros
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Actually, I may be wrong.

If you have already been to the site, it would look highlighted a different color even if you never clicked it.

I suppose it is possible they purposefully misled the jury, winning is often more important than the truth in courts these days.

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I just did a Yahoo search for "Astrology Myspace Layout"

got this title for a website: #
Astrology Myspace Layouts - - Sale Now On Only At Layout Myspace

Clicked on it...

and got porn.

:oops: :roll: It's everywhere!!!!!

Tom C
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Catherine, I have reported you to the Norwich PD.

That sound you hear in the distance is the helicopters coming to get you.

Tom C
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Verdict set aside in this case...

[quote]Julie Amero, the substitute teacher convicted of four felony counts when a computer in her classroom subjected seventh-graders to pornographic images, has been granted a new trial in light of fresh forensic information that came to light following her first trial.[/quote]

[url=http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/06/amero_conviction_set_aside/] SOURCE [/url]

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Kim Komando ([u]Don't[/u] type in [u]Commando[/u]) at [url=http://komando.com/]www.komando.com[/url] did a quiz on her radio show a few weeks ago and asked listeners to guess what percentage of the internet is dedicated to porn.

What do you think the answer was?

Calvin
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total guess,,,82% :?:

charlie neville
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What's the difference between 'porn'...

and 'sexual explicit' sites?

charlie

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Define "percentage of the internet ".

Bandwith
hits
Searches/clicking on links
page views

Also define porn.

It is well over 50%.

Steven Scharf
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Jim Corr
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Trust the system...

None of us know the full extent of the evidence presented at this trial, and therefore are incapable of rendering anything other than our own personal opinion. We're so used to watching all the talking heads on television give us their opinions on cases that we think we are now capable of deciding these cases without sitting in the jury box and listening to the days, and weeks of testimony. We have to have trust in our criminal justice system. If there are mitigating circumstances then those should be taken into consideration during sentencing or on appeal.

Tom C
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There was testimony that was repeated in the media from the trial, and that testimony was just plain dead wrong.

This case was a stinker from the get go. Most netizens recognized immediately that something had gone terribly wrong on the prosecution side.

And, gosh darn it, wouldn't you know, those doubters were right on.

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Oops - got busy and forgot this thread.

Total amount of internet content dedicated to porn (according to Kim Komando): 1%

EJ
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jjcorr

As an IT person, who deals with Spyware infected machines daily, this is crazy.

The facts are this machine was hijacked by spyware/virus that caused the machine to spawn porn sites.

This is simply crazy that it was sent to trial, and an example of a DA that does not understand technology to even send the case and Police and a principal that thought it was best to arrest and do a trial than explain how Filters in the school failed.

Sorry, this trial is and was a waste of time, pushed by people that do not understand spyware/viruses.

EJ

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