There Will Be War With Iran - Soon

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Thrasybulus
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There Will Be War With Iran - Soon

One year ago, Obama dropped the ball and missed our opportunity to support a popular uprising against the Theocrats. Now the war may be inevitable, and even Obama knows it...

the Obama administration has ordered a massive buildup of U.S. forces in the Persian Gulf starting with Carrier Strike Group 10......more than 12 U.S. and Israeli warships passed through the Suez canal amid extreme security provided by Egypt..... headed for ...the Persian Gulf. Another four U.S. warships will be making their way to the region..... The Americans conducted joint air and naval strike practices with France and the U.K. .... Germany is sending warships to the area,...

http://www.forbes.com/2010/06/21/iran-nuclear-israel-war-opinions-reza-k...

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JIMV
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Possibly but this IS

Possibly but this IS BoBo....as his generals note, he is not very competent to carry out a war.

matt8888
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Well now that we have gold in

Well now that we have gold in Afghanistan, funding the war will be easy. By why stop there, lets go to war with North Korea and some other random country. Just toss a dart at a map and start a war with that country. We dont need reasons anymore. (wink)

Thrasybulus
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Iran and North Korea are at

Iran and North Korea are at war with US. Sitting around and waiting for the nuclear weapons to be finished is not a very smart option. Obama has "finessed" us into a corner where both may blow up in our faces.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100621/wl_asia_afp/nkoreanuclearskoreaenergy

If a crackpot murderer parked himself on your front porch and started loading his gun, would you feel justified in inviting him to visit the morgue? Maybe even before he finished loading?

Vikingstar
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The Israelis are being backed

The Israelis are being backed into a tighter and tighter corner; they are going to be either forced to pre-empt Iran (if they can) or retaliate after they've been hit. They will be damned by the leftist world no matter what they do. And the Middle East is primed and ready to explode.

Of course, the open salvo of an Iranian War might well be an EMP attack on America. It won't be "over there" or a long ways away, no matter what--I'm sure that the enemy will bring the war here.

matt8888
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Iran and North Korea are at

Iran and North Korea are at war with US. Sitting around and waiting for the nuclear weapons to be finished is not a very smart option

Ahhh...... the old weapons of mass destruction argument. Good reason. (chuckle)

Mike G
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Nah, it's the national debt

Nah, it's the national debt stupid and the inability of the Keynesians to jump start a dead horse, our USA and EU economy. How do you bamboozle the American people to forget that they are unemployed and hopelessly in debt, Another war! Yes world war III or is it WW IV?

All this talk about Obama being incapable of protecting us Americans from the Iranians is dishonest. Obama is not concerned about protecting US interests anymore than Bush II was, it is about war profits and mercenaries for the cabal.

Obama is just an extension of same cabal that got us into Iraq and Afghan-Pak, he gives lip service to the Democrat base about not being a warmonger and getting us out of the middleeast, but he does nothing, he is a cabal puppet.

The biggest threat that the Iranians pose to us in the USA is that our malignant leaders will further waste our wealth on a foreign war without an end.

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I had intended merely a

I had intended merely a comment that I agree with Thrasybulus and Vikingstar but, in the interval, I was convinced by the trenchant wit of Matt8888 and overwhelmed by the startling and original insights of Mike G.

Vikingstar
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For my part, I think I lost

For my part, I think I lost brain cells from reading their posts.

@Matt_McDonald_
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There is absolutely no reason

There is absolutely no reason for us to go to war with Iran.

If Israel wants to go war with them, that is fine. That is Israel's business.

We are currently losing a war in Afghanistan, we have been in Iraq for far too long, we have a military presence in 153 Nations of the World. It's time to end this Military industrial complex, it is destroying our wonderful Nation.

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War with Iran? Rather than

War with Iran? Rather than further bankrupting our country (and making ourselves look bad because the weak leaders we have won't fight a war the way its supposed to be fought), Iran should just be put on notice. You attack us or our allies and you get nuked. No more Iran. End of transmission.

Thrasybulus
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Dear Smokey: Re: You attack

Dear Smokey: Re: You attack us or our allies and you get nuked.

A few days before he was inaugurated as President, Ronald Reagan told a joke at a dinner party. The joke was: "What's large, flat and glows in the dark?" The answer was "Iran, 48 hours after I take office".

Somebody must have translated it for Khomeni, because just 7 minutes after Reagan took the oath of office, the American hostages left Iranian airspace on their way to freedom.

The difference between Reagan and Obama is that it was was entirely possible for a foreign power to believe Ronnie would do it. The liberals certainly thought so.

Obama is a drifting wreck in foreign policy. Tony Blanckley has an article today outlining this drift: Though this may not be intentional isolationism, the result is turning out to be pretty much the same thing. Each of these impending disasters, among others, is on its own timeline -- but they all point to the same conclusion: a world no longer guided by a powerful, benign hand but rather a world that is the target of malignant grabbing hands and pounding fists.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/06/23/obamas_weak_diploma...

Economike
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There is absolutely no reason

There is absolutely no reason for us to go to war with Iran.

Absolutely? Does "absolutely" mean there is no possible reason ever?

I'm wondering because it's obvious that Iran is conducting a war - a warm war, if not quite a hot one - to establish itself as the dominant power in the Middle East. The adults who are reading this will understand that this is a war against American interests.

Mike G
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The premise of preemptive

The premise of preemptive strikes against sovereign nations that have committed no acts of aggression against us doesn't concern you Emike?

You are satan!

Vikingstar at least the brain cells you lost was just from bad scotch and not blown out across the landscape as you are so willing to have others do for you. Why don't you get your own wrinkly butt over to Iran and take on the Persians.

Economike
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The premise of preemptive

The premise of preemptive strikes against sovereign nations that have committed no acts of aggression against us doesn't concern you Emike?

One of us is confused, Mike G. Do you have a reason - any at all - to address this particular question to me?

You are satan!

That's Satan to you, fella. Show some respect.

Mike G
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Dear Beelzebub Because of

Dear Beelzebub

Because of your agreement with Thrasybulus and Vikingstar on the thread?

Andrew Ian Dodge
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Iran has never shown

Iran has never shown aggression against the US? In what parallel universe are you living in? Iran has been using its clients to attack the US whenever possible. If the US doesn't at least back Israel if it attacks Iran, it will have no friends left in the world. If Iran nukes Israel guess who is next?

I don't understand why some can't see that Iran having nukes would be a very bad thing indeed. Then again its about the same mentality that believes if the US were to pull all its troops out of everywhere no one would attack us every again.

The reasons that propelled the Barbary Pirates to attack shipping have not changed one bit. Our founding fathers like Jefferson under the threat of militant Islam and nothing has changed, except the Islamists have bigger and better weapons with which to kill us.

Dolley Madison
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Not for nothing... The

Not for nothing...

The Tajiks...are ethnic Persians who inhabit...Iran...Afghanistan...Tajikistan...Uzbekistan...Pakistan...and China...

"...sovereign nations that have committed no acts of aggression against us"

Where were you from 1979 to 1981...?

Not only has Iran committed a grave act of aggression against the US...when they held 52 of our citizens hostage...for 444 days...but the man who now presides over the country...Mahmoud Ahmadinejad...was among the five students who carried out the act...

Economike
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Where were you from 1979 to

Where were you from 1979 to 1981...?

Good point. Invading our embassy and taking hostages was an act of war. Mike G. can't possibly regard Iran as a sovereign nation that's committed no act of aggression against us.

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Agree with guyinbelfast.

Agree with guyinbelfast.

Economike
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How do you bamboozle the

How do you bamboozle the American people to forget that they are unemployed and hopelessly in debt, Another war! Yes world war III or is it WW IV?

Seriously, Mike G. I continue to hope that someday, somehow you'll stop writing the same post on every possible topic. A little precision in your thinking would do wonders for your credibility.

Let's look critically at your sentence:

"How do you bamboozle the American people......"

Who is/are the antecedent of the unspecified "you" in this question? You seem to be addressing - rhetorically, at least - some agency that's out to bamboozle the public into a fatal misadventure. Is "you" the government? Is "you" some sort of conspiracy behind the government? Why would "you" want to start a war? Once we realize that the subject of our sentence is a murky non-entity, it falls flat.

When you step on a piece of bubblegum on the sidewalk, do you say to yourself "They knew I be walking here today?"

Thrasybulus
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Time for some of these

Time for some of these posters to get the tinfoil hats out and check their dental fillings.

Iran is sitting in a position to turn off the lights for civilization as we know it. They are awaiting the Mahdi, who will usher in a world wide Muslim empire. They are not rational, and we should all be deeply concerned.

Dimmy Carter put us in this hole, and the kooks have waited 30 years for his successor in idiocy, Obama. Now that he is here, they may be willing to strike.

Other than sticking our heads in the sand, what should we do about it?

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The majority of the people in

The majority of the people in Iran do not hate America or the ways of the West. Mostly it's just the Clerics and the President. What America should do is make an appeal to the average Iranian on the street ( I am not sure how this would happen but I know that it can happen) and show them that we support them and we support them having the freedom that all people are created to enjoy.

War with Iran is not the answers just like the war in Iraq is not the answer just like the war in Afghanistan is not the answer.

Roger Ek
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A delegation of Russian

A delegation of Russian generals went before a Politburo committee and reported that it would take 600,000 troops to control the Afghan/Pakistan border. Russia withdrew. I quoted Kipling in this thread. When we leave Afghanistan and Iraq those countries will still be Muslim.

Robert
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Where were you from 1979 to

Where were you from 1979 to 1981...?

Let's see, last month of 79 I was in the Indian Ocean. Then to Diego Garcia before heading to Africa. After Africa, we headed to the Med for a visit to Rota Spain, then to Naples Italy, before heading back to Diego Garcia. From there, we headed to the Persion Gulf. The last month of 80, to around the end of January, I was inside of the Persion Gulf. Reagan sent us home at the end January. The team I was on recieved a unit accommodation from Reagan for our part in the hostage situation. (still can't join the Legion.)

It is all gamemanship. We have been meddling into the affairs of the Middle East as long as I can remember. We help set up governments and we destabilize others. Should we go to war with Iran? Part of me says yes, the other part says no.

Vikingstar
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"Vikingstar at least the

"Vikingstar at least the brain cells you lost was just from bad scotch and not blown out across the landscape as you are so willing to have others do for you. Why don't you get your own wrinkly butt over to Iran and take on the Persians."

I gave up drinking 32 years ago.

I think there's going to be a war. You seem to think I'm eager for there to be a war. I'm not. I will freely admit that I haven't put my "wrinkley butt on the line to face Persians", and I don't want Americans to have to do this. But you seem to forget, Mike G, that there are plenty of people who are willing and eager to kill Americans wherever they can find them; and Jews, too, for the high crime of being Jewish. YOU may now think that America is the source of the world's evil on the planet--I DO NOT think so.

What is worse is, because of the civilized world's weakness in confronting threats like Iran and North Korea and Syria, what could have been a small military action is turning into a war that will cause widespread distruction and loss of life--HERE, in America, and elsewhere. I forget who posted about supporting the Iranian people: well, they rose up last year to oppose their masters, and the present Administration in Washington blew them off. We had one last chance to avoid The War, and we didn't take it.

And now, we condemn and leave twisting in the wind the last firebreak in the Middle East--Israel. The one country in the region that most closely reflects our own values is harshly attacked and condemned by people who turn a blind eye to the uncivilization of the Arabs and the "Palestinians". And now we've let the Israelis be surrounded by a ring of missiles, and put them in a no-win situation, and made our enemies bold and our friends weak. In other words, the war that you, to put it bluntly, idiotically think I'm eager for. People, including people I care for, are going to face death, for a war that could have been avoided. But, as I predicted back in 2008, after November of that year, our enemies lost any fear of us...

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"...Let's see, last month of

"...Let's see, last month of 79 I was in the Indian Ocean."

I wasnt asking you...Robert...I was asking the guy who described Iran as...sovereign nations that have committed no acts of aggression against us"...which was Mike G...not you...though I thank you for your service...

Robert
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Dolley, their acts of

Dolley, their acts of "aggression" against us were a response to some of Carters actions. We cannot mingle into the affairs of others countries, then be shocked by a response.

...sovereign nations that have committed no acts of aggression against us

Was it aggression, or, a reaction?

Dolley Madison
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"We cannot mingle into the

"We cannot mingle into the affairs of others countries, then be shocked by a response."

Same with Pearl Harbor..and with 9-11...right...?

Robert
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You are straying Dolley. Stay

You are straying Dolley. Stay on subject.

Thrasybulus
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Dolley's question is

Dolley's question is pertinent, Robert. The only intervention in Iran by Carter was to order the Shah not to crush the rioters - Dimmy believed that he could make a deal with Khomeini, just as he thought he could make a deal with Ortega after he helped him overthrow Somoza. Slow learner.

And we did cut off Japan's oil in November of 1941. And we did station troops on the Holy Soil of Saudi Arabia during the 1st Gulf War. None of this justifies Japan's or Bin Laden's plans for world war.

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