Tires and Maine law question

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Cigarsmoker
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Tires and Maine law question

An employee of mine just told me that they went to get 2 new tires and was told that Maine law now requires that all four tires be replaced at once. Seeing that last year I just replaced two tires on my vehicle am I looking at needing to purchase four more this year?

She said her husband went to five or six different tire dealers who all told him the same thing.

BlueJay
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If, in fact, there is such a

If, in fact, there is such a law, would it apply to any vehicle that's not a 4-wheel or all-wheel drive?

Robert
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I would ask the tire dealer

I would ask the tire dealer to show me the law. I have never heard of this.

charlie neville
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I replaced a single tire on

I replaced a single tire on my truck last week at the garage where I've gone for service for 10 years now. Nothing was said about such a law.

charlie

pmrmsm
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I ran into this problem this

I ran into this problem this morning myself and decided to call the state who is closed for one of their shutdown days. So, I have left a message for Senator Hastings and am awaiting either a return call or e-mail.

BiddefordSteve
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I went to buy 2 tires at a

I went to buy 2 tires at a well known place this past weekend installed.... not sure if the site wants me to name this establishment in the forum. PM me if you want to know where.

Earl Nickerson . Jr
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Never heard of such a

Never heard of such a thing...Last winter I had ONE tire replaced under the road hazard warrenty with a new different tire on my truck because they no longer made the tires I had on...Yea I've had them a while...LOL...Road hazard warranty is a GOOD thing.....Gonna go back to get the other 3 to match the one I had replaced soon as the other 3 are now worn out so I guess I'll find out..Is it a make or model thing , perhaps??..That said , it would not surprise me one bit if it were true...Here in The NANNY State if it could possibly save even one life it would be worth it....

BC-SPM
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I just called a good friend

I just called a good friend of mine that manages a reputable tire shop. There is no law requiring purchase of 4 tires all at once. However, they will not sell just one tire for an all-wheel drive vehicle such as a Subaru and others. The problem is how the drive line is all tied together via computers, not only for traction purposes, but for the anti-lock brakes and when the computers correct the steering when the car is about to exceed its handling limitations.

The problem is the systems are very sensitive and when you mix a new tire with 3 worn tires, the difference in the circumference of the new tire will result in incorrect date to the computers because it will turn slower than the rest due to its larger diameter.

Its an industry standard not to replace just one tire in those circumstances because of liability issues. And to a certain extent, if the car is not all-wheel drive, but equipped with the aforementioned features, it to may be subject to the same liability concerns.

Robert
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The problem is how the drive

The problem is how the drive line is all tied together via computers, not only for traction purposes, but for the anti-lock brakes and when the computers correct the steering when the car is about to exceed its handling limitations.

The computers measure hub rotation, not outer tire rotation. 32nds are not going to make a difference.

Vic Berardelli
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My wife got an irrepairable

My wife got an irrepairable gash in one tire on the CR/V (might have been student michief as it was in the parking lot at the university) and a very reputable Bangor tire dealership had no problem replacing just the one tire.

BC-SPM
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If the tire rotation is

If the tire rotation is slower or faster, so is the hub that the wheel and tire is fastened to. Its an industry standard tire retailers adhere to due to liability with certain cars, not a scam as some might suspect. I would suggest calling a Subaru dealership or large tire retailer and see for yourself.

I forget to include in the previous post that the store manager stated if the tires were new with negligible wear to begin with, its very likely just one tire could be replaced.

Robert
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Like I said BC-SPM, 32nd's

Like I said BC-SPM, 32nd's are not going to matter. The computers are always going to compensate and adjust.

Bruce Libby
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The tire business is now the

The tire business is now the habitat of the most egregious thiefs IMHO. The whole thing is predicated how to rip off the public particularly the uninformed consumer. Once had a dealer try to get me to buy 4 snowtreads for a 2WD car with same ploy i.e. state law ,as with any law reference
always request to see law !

LarryB
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Hmmm... I find the

Hmmm... I find the explanation regarding the effect of a worn tire turning at a different rate than a new one slightly suspect. I do not dispute the fact that a new tire will turn at a slightly lesser number of rpms at a given vehicle speed than a worn one,but given the variables introduced due to going around corners and over bumps, it is rather unlikely that any of the four wheels will turn exactly the same number of revolutions over a given distance even if they were exactly the same size. Notwithstanding, any vehicle with that degree of complexity has no place in my life.

1Maine1lostcause
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If all wheel drive systems

If all wheel drive systems can't handle adding a single new tire with three worn tires then the all wheel drive system is poorly designed and I would write the company and tell them I want a refund or a replacement all wheel model that is designed correctly.

matt8888
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I got so sick of all the tire

I got so sick of all the tire dealers trying to rip me off with tire prices and fees, I did this:

- Ordered the tires from tirerack.com (saved hundreds on the same model tires)
- UPS delivered them to my house ($9.99 per tire, he didn't look happy)
- Brought them to Walmart where they happily mounted and balanced for a flat fee of $12.50 per tire
- Done

No scams, no sleazy sales people, just plain easy.

BlueJay
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I hope you checked the date

I hope you checked the date of manufacture on the side of the tire. The year is given and old tires, never used, can pose a threat, so I've read.

pmrmsm
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When ordering from

When ordering from tirerack.com you can also compare it against the manufacturer website to be sure the model of tire is still in production and how long it has been in production.

BC-SPM
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As an example, this about

As an example, this about tires on an AWD system straight from the Subaru web site, Subaru

4. Do I have to replace all four tires on my AWD Subaru?

All of the tires on your AWD Subaru must be within 1/4 of an inch of rolling circumference (part that touches the road). This is because of our All Wheel Drive System.

That's a fairly small spread between the smallest and largest circumference of all four tires. Since mechanical damage could result to the drivetrain if out of tolerance, I'd rather spend my money on tires, tire maintenance, and proper rotation, not repairs to expensive transfer cases, differentials, transmissions, and so on. Any reputable tire shop doesn't want to be on the hook for those kinds of mechanical repairs, never mind what could happen as a result of inaccurate data being fed to the on-board computers for anti-lock brakes and other safety features I mentioned before.

This little gem is about as about as close to state law as it gets concerning having to buy four tires... under the inspection program, if you have a front wheel drive car, and you want studded tires, all four have to be studded tires

LarryB
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One quarter inch of rolling

One quarter inch of rolling circumference is equivalent to .040" depth of tread wear on a 25" diameter tire. Again, I would pass on any vehicle that was this sensitive to wear on a perishable component.

Robert
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BC-SPM, isn't Subaru

BC-SPM, isn't Subaru violating their own policy by giving you a donut spare?

BC-SPM
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I just called a local dealer

I just called a local dealer and learned that Subaru includes a donut spare for their AWD cars, but its the same circumference as the regular tires.

Robert
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Deleted, I must remember

Deleted,

I must remember that beating my head against the wall hurts.

K. Wright
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Thus far no one has been able

Thus far no one has been able to specifically sight a Maine Revised Statute, or Administrative Rule, or any other regulation that confirms this "law." How a particular vehicle make/model warranty and/or owners manual treats this is one thing as an advisement to owners, along with your own conditions and concerns are considerations. Absent any statute authority or regulation, my feeling is that it is your vehicle, you drive it, your family drives it, so its your safety, your family in it, your good judgment, and your needs and situation that dictate common sense, and peace of mind. As you see fit for you and yours.

Dan Billings
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Tire stores should not be

Tire stores should not be saying that there is a law when there is not. But they are still free to refuse to sell you less than 4 tires if that is what they want to do.

thejohnchapman
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Dan: I'm thinking that might

Dan:

I'm thinking that might be "bundling" -- which would involve anawful lot more than unwillingness to sell less than four tires. Deliberately lying about the law to get a sale might budge the needle under the UTPA, but we'd need to look at the FTCA cases.

Dan Billings
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Sure, but isn't bundling only

Sure, but isn't bundling only a legal problem if the seller has monopoly power?

The thing that caught my attention was the suggestion that selling 4 tires was consistent with the "industry standard." If that idea was being pushed by a trade association that could be an anti-trust issue.

(I took anti-trust in law school but admit I know just enough about it to be dangerous.)

Robert
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BC-SPM said - All of the

BC-SPM said - All of the tires on your AWD Subaru must be within 1/4 of an inch of rolling circumference (part that touches the road).

One quarter of an inch is a lot of tread. Average new tires used on cars typically start with 10/32" to 11/32" of original tread depth. Tires are considered "worn out" in most States when they reach 2/32" of remaining tread depth.
One quater of an inch = 8/32. Do the math.

Like I said, a few 32nd's either way is not going to make a difference. A vehicles computer reads and corrects many time a second. BC-SPM, if you would to buy four new tires, go right ahead, just don't try to convince others that they need to also.

BC-SPM
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Robert, the original topic of

Robert, the original topic of this thread was whether of not there was a law requiring one to purchase 4 tires all at once. As I stated, there is none. The other information was posted in an effort to clarify what could have been misunderstood as such a law when tires are needed for certain vehicles, such as a Subaru AWD. The requirement that Subaru AWD systems have all four tires with in a .25 inch tolerance in circumference is an example to further illustrate and clarify.

I'm not advocating anything, just providing information and the sources of it. If you wish to second guess Subaru and justify it with math, have at it.

Dan Billings
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The big problem with Subarus

The big problem with Subarus is the law that requires Democrat bumperstickers on every one.

pmrmsm
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While watching television

While watching television last night I noticed one tire retailer advertising a buy 3 get the 4th for free and another tire retailer advertising buy 2 tires and get 2 free tires. I wonder if this part of the problem we have all been talking about.

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