Trump bans transgenders from the military

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Trump bans transgenders from the military

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-to-ban-transgender-ind...

Sounds like he's trying to kiss up to his base. The number of people is so small I can't imagine the military gives two shits (I could be wrong, though).

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Whatever.

Whatever.

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The cost to actually go

The cost to actually go through with the transition are nothing to be ignored. Plus there's only 2 genders. It's science!!!

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The problem here is that they

The problem here is that they join, and then bill the taxpayer for the transition costs - and maintenance costs.

Even if they're convicted of spying...

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Article 1 Section 8 of the U.

Article 1 Section 8 of the U. S. Constitution stipulates, "The Congress shall have power...to make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces".

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@pmconusa: "Article 1 Section

@pmconusa: "Article 1 Section 8 of the U. S. Constitution stipulates, "The Congress shall have power...to make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces"."

That's not the issue, the issue is that Trump said he would support the LGBT community (source: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/742771576039460864) and he clearly went back on that.

Also he apparently didn't tell anyone at the Pentagon: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/07/26/trumps-tweets-ba...

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ac said - Trump said he would

ac said - Trump said he would support the LGBT community

That is true. But it didn't mean he would put them in our military. Two different issues.

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Oh puhleeze don't start

Oh puhleeze don't start throwing facts around. People have trouble getting past the Fool-Aid that the Dims give them.

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Imagine, Trump the draft

Imagine, Trump the draft dodger (Thanks Dad), telling the military what’s right for them. And what does he intend to do with the 15,000 transgendered already serving their country?

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“Plus there's only 2 genders”

Plus there's only 2 genders

Untrue. Although rare, some babies are born with characteristics of both sexes. I have a friend who is a pediatric endocrinologist. He gets called in to make hormone treatment recommendations when babies are born showing characteristics of both sexes.

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JackStraw, there are only two

JackStraw, there are only two genders. What you are speaking of are called mutations. It's science.

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Six months in, one would

Six months in, one would think Trump would have learned to talk to an adult before he tweeted out the first thing that pops into his head. Joint Chiefs to troops: 'No modifications' to transgender policy from Trump Tweet.

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Commander-in-chief to Joint

Commander-in-chief to Joint Chiefs. I am the commander in chief not you.

Northarrow
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Al:

Al:

Does a simple Tweet constitute an official Presidential directive? Should the Joint Chief put a policy change if effect on that alone? Or should an official documented communication be conveyed? Will he Tweet his desire to launch a missile to North Korea next?

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NA:

NA:

Don't know if true, but I've read that there was some consternation at high levels since Trump's transgender tweet was in two parts, with the second following nine minutes later. The first reads:

After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow......

Note that Trump claims to have "consulted with my Generals".

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Hey bluejay, those "mutations

Hey bluejay, those "mutations" are human beings. How would you classify them, in your infinite wisdom?

What a shithead.

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What a shithead.

What a shithead.

Hey, Matt, that "shithead" is a human being.

Oh... How is your relationship with your friend Jesus coming? We've been praying for you.

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It's great, thanks. Bluejay's

It's great, thanks. Bluejay's comment was very Pharisee-like, don't you think? "They're a mutation." Jesus Christ, i think it'd make Christ angry.

Tom, what's your take on transgender ID? More importantly, what do you think Christ would have to say to a person, born in God's image, with male and female parts? Or a male part and an over abundance of estrogen? Etc? I'm serious.

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If you search my prior posts,

If you search my prior posts, you'll see that I am a 300-pound gay African-American transgender, who supports conservative policies, Christian values and traditional marriage.

As far as your particular question, as you no doubt recall from your extensive study of the Bible, Jesus came to Saul, discipled him, and then Saul wrote extensively on the matter.

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So, you start with some sort

So, you start with some sort of joke (referencing minorities?) and then refer me to Paul?

I'm asking you a serious question. What is a rational, faithful, real-world Christian response to a human being born with female genitalia and an abundance of testosterone?

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JSFW: "Although rare, some

JSFW: "Although rare, some babies are born with characteristics of both sexes. I have a friend who is a pediatric endocrinologist. He gets called in to make hormone treatment recommendations when babies are born showing characteristics of both sexes."

I don't want to jump to any unwarranted conclusions, but Jack's terminology here -- "both sexes" -- which he used twice, seems to signify that there are two genders at a biological level. Not 38, not 5, not 3, not 14.

Are there mutations of this base axiom? I think we can accept that in some extremely rare, very sad cases, such variants occur. That does not negate the "both sexes" duality defined in the DNA/genetic domain.

All sorts of birth defects are known to occur. For example, the absence of various appendages. Why is the "sexual" variant seen as any different?

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How would that work with the

How would that work with the tax codes, if you have one child, a transgender, can you claim two dependents/'?

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There would be no controversy

There would be no controversy if, as I stipulated above the President hadn't tried to make law when the Constitution gives that power only to the Congress. If you don't believe me, read the document. The problem is the Congress, the President and the Court no longer abide by the rules they swore to uphold. This disobedience is what has caused every social and political problem we have and now are trying to fix with compromises that never solve anything.

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So, you start with some sort

So, you start with some sort of joke (referencing minorities?) and then refer me to Paul?

It's not a joke, it's designed to test your own prejudices. Do you think a gay, transgender African-American could be a Christian?

Your premise is flawed. It assumes we must follow our own sexual desires around, and that the highest calling is to do so.

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Of course, although by saying

Of course, although by saying "gay, transgender" you seem to be ignorant of what constitutes transgender identity. And you throw in African-American why, exactly? To make it more exotic? Abnormal? Your racially-charged biases and assumptions are peeking through, Tom C.

You also seem to equate transgender ID with "sexual desire." Again, profound misunderstanding.

Are you one of those Christians who would suggest a gay person pray real hard so they will become straight? Or, if that doesn't work, ask Jesus to help them be celibate and so bare the unfortunate cross of their sexual orientation?

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you seem to be ignorant of

you seem to be ignorant of what constitutes transgender identity

Well, then, I guess you're the expert.

If so, I won't be able to edify you on any aspect of the matter.

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Seriously? That's it?

Seriously? That's it?

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You pointed out that I was

You pointed out that I was "ignorant." Having been found out as such, I can no longer feign to discuss weighty matters which such a brilliant one as yourself. I throw myself at your intellectual feet.

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Back to the original reason

Back to the original reason why Trump made this call. He is not doing so because he hates transgenders he made the call based on financial reasons because it will cost a huge sum of money to pay for their sexual re-assignment surgeries. One estimate (see link below) is that the cost over the next 10 years will be $1,300,000,000. We need that money better spent than on a few transsexuals. This is not failing to support LGBT folks but it is a move to support all Americans and not special interests.

Cost of sex changes

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I said you were ignorant of

I said you were ignorant of transgender identity. Would you rather I say "it seems you don't quite understand the concept of transgender identity"? Would that keep your feelings from being hurt?

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As one to whom it has been

As one to whom it has been revealed, you could just give us a brief homily.

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