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KennyRoberts
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unanswered questions about the Sandy Hook incident

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AP0QDUpHFE

Former military surgical nurse Joyce Riley conducts an audio interview with an investigator, Mike Powers, pertaining to the Sandy Hook shooting. Joyce broadcasts Monday thru Friday on shortwave radio WWCR.

The investigator speaks about the story’s inconsistencies.

Audio interview on a ‘you tube’ format.

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I am glad that somebody

I am glad that somebody besides me wants to keep this story from "dropping off the radar".

I don't know what really happened but can smell a rat a mile away. This was just way too "convenient" for those who wish to take constitutional rights away from some of us, that they don't especially like, and the emotions surrounding this event, are just the thing for "conning the masses" and they are taking advantage of it in every way they can.

I first saw this interview about a week and a half ago, and read some of the high points in the transcript to my wife as she was working.

No question there are LOTS of unanswered questions about this event!

WC

Bruce Libby
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Was this guy a investigator

Was this guy a investigator for any agency investigating SH event ?

KennyRoberts
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I'm sorry Bruce, been

I'm sorry Bruce, been terribly busy.
From my memory, a thumbnail sketch of it, this individual claims to have background in emergency training situations
and small arms such as the AR15. He is not, to my knowledge, a sworn law enforcement investigator or private investigator, his dog in the fight has to do with his career related to firearms is in jeopardy with pending legislation. He alleges that he
has access to persons who could be expert witness candidates to field some of the questions that are associated
with this weird story.

He states an opinion about this 120lb runt firing multiple magazines of .223 "would have beat him senseless".

Myself, as someone who has fired both M-14 and M-16 full auto, I don't recall a '16' in 556 as being that user unfriendly.

The whole thing stinks to me. I have no idea what happened at SH and certainly was NOT enlightened by any of the media reports or hundreds of rabbit holes being burrowed all around this incident. I'm not talking about conspiracies or theories, the entire thing as it has been presented is bizarre at best and makes no sense what so ever.

Wood Canoe is familiar with this particular interview as he stated, perhaps he will be able to add to or correct whats here.

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My remembrance of M16 on auto

My remembrance of M16 on auto was it was quick and less than my Rem. 870 I carried routinely as a medic.
My only interest in this is maybe it is what it is and everything else that persons want to question ,well is there another issue.
Myself I know enough to be satisfied until people more directly involved are speaking.Was this guest going on that program(radio) and saying he agreed with reports as is? Hell NO!
She set the agenda in her intro..

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I would be fine with that as

I would be fine with that as well Bruce, but even here in Maine, I believe I saw where Paul Davis has put forth a bill to
limit high capacity magazines. I believe I saw that on the BDNews website but didn't read it. The big reason I remember this is because I was surprised that Paul Davis would be submit this kind of bill.

You see every darned gun thing now has this SH backdrop as an excuse or heart jerk to infringe on my personal freedom. Its like the Sept 11 thing where a bunch of Saudi people flew planes so we invade Afghanistan and I get strip searched at airports. Getting weary of it, myself.

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My door gunners had M-60

My door gunners had M-60 machine guns. They were hand held which allowed them to be very flexible. They would sometimes fire until the barrel was red hot, disengage the bar5el, throw it out the door, put in a new barrel and resume firing. They could do it in seconds. We called that a free gun. Butt stocks were removed. The guns were supported entirely by the the gunner. compared to a door gun firing belted 7.62 NATO rounds, an AR-15, M-16 or A4 is a pea shooter.

The public has little knowledge about firearms. They could learn a lot by going to a club range and learning about firearms safety and marksmanship. If they want a dose of history they could attend a Project Appleseed shoot. It's fun for the whole family.

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I'd say the question remains

I'd say the question remains whether the black rifle was in the car and just whether pistols were involved?

Not in many ways that that matters for those that lost their children etc, but it goes toward the agenda of outlawing semi-auto rifles and the deceit in taking a tragedy and spinning it for that class of firearms. It is the deceit of both the media and the state that matters, meaning that they cannot even be honest in telling us what occurred. We are treated like peons that cannot make an informed decision.

Our betters decide what we should know. Our betters decide what class of weapons we may own. That is really the question, what do our betters withhold from us, that we should not know, so it doesn't "cloud" our understanding of the approved agenda so America must Change.

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But that isn't the issue

But that isn't the issue here. It is to many people using something they may or may not know w/ their own agendas to make or support some point !
As far as high capacity mags. do not see the need for them myself in life .
If you hit someone with ten chances are twenty wouldn't have made a difference
The comparisons of military use and so forth really aren't to pertinent.

The first use of 16's in Vietnam in my unit on patrol, we coverted in country ,was proof that you could run out of ammo real quick.
Stupid gook shot 3 rounds from 30 cal,. carbine over pour heads and two squads unloaded on him!!!
Applicability to SH,non!

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If you hit someone with ten

If you hit someone with ten chances are twenty wouldn't have made a difference.

And how will you know if you're up against one person or 4?

There is a lot you don't 'need', shall we start with that list first?

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I started out by trying to

I started out by trying to look at this incident, with a "logical mind". I was trained in engineering, many years back, and one of the very basic things that we were taught, early on, was to ask questions, especially when what you are looking at does not make sense to you. Voila!

When this happened I figured it was just another "nutcase" like we seem to have a lot of these days, bent on splattering his particular idea of "evil" onto another group of innocents. But once I started looking a little closer at the actual events themselves, and the media and government "narratives" of what actually happened, and how it happened, all of a sudden very little of this made any sense, when viewed with logic.

There is absolutely NO media coverage, in video, or written transcripts, of the school evacuation, and how that was done. No scenes of kids/adults running frantically for safety. There are absolutely no photographs of the building, outside or inside, at anything other than very long distance, or helicopter footage early on. A photograph of the front entrance, where we are told, by the "official narrative" that Lanza "shot his way through the glass", might be able to win a Pulitzer prize, as famed news photos have in the past, but none exist, at least publicly. Have you ever seen this before? A national media that loves "blood and guts", and the closest photos of death and destruction one can take, has produced absolutely none of that! No first responder EMT's were ever allowed into the building. No ambulances were allowed on the school grounds, they were staged at the fire house, several hundred feet away, to wait in vain. Who ordered all of this? Have you ever seen the first responders kept from the actual scene before? Who pronounced these victims dead? And on and on we could go.

Start at the beginning of this, with basic stuff. Mr Powers, in the interview talks about this but other individuals have talked about this also. People who have searched hard, say that they have not been able to find even one paper or electronic record....that Adam Lanza ever existed. Not even a CT drivers license. Those who have searched says there is no record of his birth, no record of a license, no record of him ever having attended school, anyplace, and so on. Yet were are told he had a license, and drove a car, legally one would presume. Is that strange or what? What 19 or 20 yr old kid, playing online video games, for hours each day, does NOT have any profile on Facebook? There was nothing found on facebook for Adam Lanza. Weird! And his computer hard drives were completely destroyed, beyond forensic reconstruction even,which is almost impossible to do. My, how convenient that nobody can follow his online presence now! The official narrative says he killed his mom and drove her car to the school. Friends say she drove a BMW, perhaps grey in color. Yet the car Lanza had at the school was a black Honda with Florida plates, and I saw pics of it on the tow truck, and in vids you can see it in front of the school.

Coincidence can be the "mother of all legislation" in some cases, and we have seen that in this country before. Significant public events have promoted the making of new laws, and this has happened often. But, many have suggested that the fact that this incident took place, out of the clear blue supposedly, and all of a sudden, within 3 weeks the state of NY has passed the strictest gun control laws in the nation. And Obama and Feinstein trot out their version of it for the rest of us. That this is being promoted so heavily, only weeks after this incident, is very suspicious all by itself. Was this "divine coincidence" or was there some element of "planning" afoot here maybe?

This is just my two cents worth, and I freely admit could be wrong, but yet fits the facts as I know them, at this point, pretty well. My wife does not think this happened at all, and other people think this too. I don't, as I have heard from "people who knew people" who lost a child, enough to make one think that people were surely killed here. And also if one was going to stage some sort of incident, dead bodies are very effective psychological tools for that job. I am thinking that it is within the realm of possibility, that these kids were killed, just as the story goes, by a troubled young man, been on carrying out some fantasy revenge or whatever.

In order to promote the current gun control fantasy that has swept the nation, it is critical to the narrative that those children were killed with an AR-15 "assault rifle". No other weapon(s) especially "handguns" would make that narrative work. It absolutley has to be an evil assault rifle......or no "official narrative" that supports national gun control! Now just suppose, and the facts that we heard early on would support this idea, that the children were killed with the handguns, and the AR was found in the car, as was reported for 24 hours or so. Now suppose that someone, or several someones, interested in promoting the "political idea" of gun control, saw to it that an AR-15 was placed at the scene after the fact, in order to gain that required "emotional energy" to convince the sheep of the righteousness of the "gun control agenda". All of the information that I am privy too, mainly has come from Lt. Vance, the annointed "official media voice of government" for all information related to this incident. He has not said one single word, in my mind, that would not fit that scenario. He has very carefully said that the two handguns and the "assault rifle" were "seized at the scene. Note the use of the word "seized" which would mean "found on the scene" and that he did not say the word "used" which would indicate that a particular weapon actually did the killing. Now some folks would call this "hairsplitting" but consider that many bureaucrats and politicians were trained as lawyers, an endeavor which uses words as tools. Remember Bill Clinton talking about what the meaning of "is" is? Politicians use words like I use a hammer and saw. Lt Vance, saying that the assault rifle was "seized" at the crime scene, would cover him just fine if it turned out that the AR-15 was not actually used to cause the mayhem.

The political class, including Obama, have all stressed the need to "move quickly" on this. That itself is very suspicious. I learned as a fairly young man, that decisions made in haste, based on the feelings of the moment, often resulted in poor decision making. And thus I learned to give myself time to think about things before making those decisions, as often as I can. But that does not fit the needs of the anti-gun crowd, who wish to take action while America's emotions are running high over this. Riled emotions are poor reasons for taking constitutional rights away from millions of American citizens.

I could go all day in this vein, which indicates just how many serious questions there are about this incident.....unlike any such incident we have seen before.......in the minds of Americans that possess the ability to think with logic and reason, not the libs for sure!

But to the radio interview by Joyce Riley, of Mike Powers. I have a link to the video, which has a written transcript of the interview accompanying it. [url=http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2013/01/20/joyce-rileys-power-hour-mike-powe... Powers Interview[/url]

I watched about half the video before I discovered the transcript. The transcript is great as you can read it much faster than you can watch the video, plus you can go back into it to search for facts, as you need to.

Mike Powers is described thusly:

........"Mike Powers is a US Naval Law Enforcement and US Army Infantry veteran. Powers has 15 years experience in federal service, specialized search and rescue, 10 years professionally instructing wilderness survival and personal defense theory".......

......"10 years as a firearms and tactic instructor, having worked with private citizens as well as public service elements and a consultant in protective security detail. He has been on several security teams for celebrities and military officials".......

In the beginning of the interview he describes himself as being a consultant and instructor in security and has worked security details himself, plus he has connections to SWAT operations around the world. I tried to Google him and found very little. But someone with his background would not likely have much bio stuff on the internet. Maas Ayoob is one of the masters of "self defense, recognized all over the USA, and maybe the world to, as the absolute master, and teacher of self defense with a firearm. I had the chance to google him a while back as I was interested in some connections to his family that I was working on at that time. Any reference on the net to him, was about his profession, and nothing about his family, which is understandable for a man why often makes enemies in his work.

Listening to Mike Powers gave me some insight into investagatory stuff that I was not familiar. More importantly, all that he said seemed to me to be rooted in logical thinking and deduction. When he said something, he explained why he felt the way he did. An Ar-15 rifle, particularly that Bushmaster, is widely known for being extremely loud upon being fired. 165 decibels Mr Powers said, and I researced and found that info in other laces. Powers says,that for an inexperienced shooter, firing that weapon, inside a building, in close quarters, would have profound psychological effects on the shooter, from the high levels of noise, and that he doubted that anyone other than maybe a trained pro, could have carried that out, under those conditions. Lanza is supposed to fire into the parking lot, hitting just one car, that of the substitute teacher Ruesseau. No other cars were struck, which is pretty fine work as many cars were parked very close together. Yet in close ups of her car, one of those holes in the car obviously came from inside, and was fired straight up! How'd that happen?

There are literally tons of these kinds of questions that have not received any answers, and may not even have any answers, who knows. Suffice it to say the official narrative is chock full of holes and inconsistencies for sure. There is lots more to this that we do not know.

The strangest thing of all is this. According to officials, Lanza acted alone, after killing his mother, and killing himself at the end of his rampage. For all intents and purposes this case is open and shut. No other people involved in it. Therefore, the authorities clearly know which guns killed the children and others. There can be no other shooters, so they say. So what is the secret about what caliber ammunition was found in the bodies, by the autopsies? ME Carver declined to answer this at his press conference, though he surely knew, if he is any kind of ME and he has a good reputation. So why the secrecy over what the autopsies showed for weapons and ammo used, if they know for sure what it was? Why have they been totally unwilling to say just exactly what bullets did the fatal damage? Could it be because it would show a result.........that did NOT match the official narrative? If children were killed by handguns, and not the rifle, how could they explain that after the whole world believes it was the evil assault rifle, and is acting accordingly with the antigun agenda.

Best question, If the AR-15 did not kill the children, and the autopsies would prove that, either way, if the rifle was indeed NOT used, what would that to the national, very public political agenda to ban those wicked "assault rifles"?

It surely would not do any good, and may just be why everything is being kept totally secret by the investigating authorities!

WC

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Nice theory ! For what

Nice theory ! For what nothing!

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I listened to this

I listened to this presentation a coup or so weeks ago. It's long but very well researched. I listen to it while working on other things.

http://www.brendanhunt.com/1/post/2013/01/sandy-hook-cover-up-video-pres...

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SH....LOTS of questions.

SH....LOTS of questions. Something is very wrong with the SH story.
My disbelief started with the Robbie Parker interview. Father of 3 beautiful girls (if you believe the photos) had one of them shot up in a school shooting, kids were hit 3 to 11 times according to the Medical Examiner, parents were NOT allowed inside to see the deceased kids; they were required to identify them using photos; the bodies were transported out in the middle of the night. And this guy shows up at an interview..the next day I guess...with a HUGE grin as he steps outside to the mikes. In the background I can hear what sounds like a director saying ...come to the microphone....Parker is grinning....I then hear 'roll the scenario' from the director. Listen real carefully yourself at time = 0:16. Then Parker stops grinning and pumps up and delivers speech....not a tear to be seen. Would you not have been totally distraught and unable to even speak? This man is practicing deception....period.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKr-av9jVx8
There is much more.....

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More on SH. Within hours

More on SH.
Within hours Barry Soetoro, Biden and feinstein are banning assault weapons.
WTF?
Recently we have....totally ignored by the media which savagely attacked any body that questioned the official story....
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Newtown-Votes-for-Armed-School-...
Newtown Ct wants armed cops in school
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/55742445-68/shooting-atlanta-police-s...
Armed guard stops Utah school shooter.

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I read they politicized the

I read they politicized the Stupor Bowl.

Yes this Newtown tragedy is for the elite the defining moment to get rid of the 2nd Amendment, just as 9/11/01 was the defining moment to get rid of the 4th Amendment and strengthen Big Sis and Big Brother.

I'm glad I don't receive CBS since they went to digital. Sport events have become a means for spreading propaganda for sometime now. Actually it would be difficult to determine when they weren't used for same. Mass hypnosis and circus is a wonderful thing.

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I want to thank you folks for

I want to thank you folks for taking the time to add investigatory notes and efforts regarding this bizarre shooting situation.

After looking at much information, I know about as much as I did when it first went down. There does not seem to be any conclusive evidence of anything except the springboard to disarm the American public.

Veterans with PTSD, anyone with anti-depressant prescriptions, don't be surprised if denied 2nd amendment rights. The recent gun range murder of the sniper guy is also mildly bizarre.

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Well said KennyR.. The

Well said KennyR..

The bizarreness is not the incident per se it is the number and demographics/circumstances of the victims !

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The entire ideology of the

The entire ideology of the left is based totally on......"emotions" ie, "feeling good about things. If it "feels right" then it must be OK. There is not another ideology on this planet that is based on any less "logic and reason" then theirs is!

The founders, who wrote the Constitution (that the lefties despise) did not write any of that based on "emotions or feelings" but entirely upon the facts of what they had endured under the tyrannical rule of the British King, and that they did not ever want to happen again in America.

That the left hates the constitution so badly.......is pretty compelling proof of where they want their ideology to take this nation. And they will....if we let em.

At this point in time we have been "outvoted" (or outfrauded as the case may be) so we are at the point where that Constitution, and those of us who believe in it, and are willing to defend it, are what we have to stand on. Which is a whole lot more solid than that which the left has to stand upon.

WC

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Well said, Woodcanoe. Now

Well said, Woodcanoe.

Now Obama is on the campaign trail lecturing Americans about their duty as per gun control in a clear attempt to control the media so it does not report on the disastrous economy that Obama is delivering to our nation. "Not letting a crisis" go to waste" has more than one dimension to it- and let us not forget that Obama taught Saul Alinsky, who also recommended creating a crisis.

Obama doesn't have the time to read any security reports- too busy on the campaign trail to govern. Oh well - the Benghazi Investigation continues this week. I am hoping and praying for a shocker for the Obama regime from a source they are not expecting to shock them.

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Nurse looked the shooter in

Nurse looked the shooter in the eye? Was stuck hiding in a closet for 3 hours? Swat team cleared the building?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmrbfjhbBSY

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Sandy Hook Demolition Crew
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Ooooh, this is a bad move!

Ooooh, this is a bad move! It is real grist for conspiracy theorists' mills.

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It's as if the state wants to

It's as if the state wants to perpetuate conspiracy theories.

charlie

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I heard a report NBC I

I heard a report NBC I believe that the main concern was they did not want pieces/ artifacts of the school ending up in the online markets.

Not to worry about conspiracy theories the desire to have to know more and wanting conspiracies fulfilled have taken care of that.

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They should have sold the

They should have sold the pieces to the gun control crowd.

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I suspect that the "remains"

I suspect that the "remains" of Sandy Hook, along with the "truth" about Sandy Hook.......will be buried in the same government guarded place that the remains of the Branch Davidian compound, and the truth about that event are buried!

I predicted this would happen, shortly after the supposed "Sandy Hook Shooting".

Our government, at many levels, is totally out of control........and we haven't seen anything yet.

Truth became a victim many years back. What passes for "truth" these days is what the official government propaganda machine, known as the main stream media, feeds to the stupids, on their screens!

Government has truly become evil!

WC

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WC thank you , ypu made my

WC thank you , ypu made my post above correct!

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Search: sandy hook final

Search: sandy hook final report. I suggest that because I wouldn't want anyone accusing the conspiracy theorists of cherry-picking the results.

Among the results, you'll likely find an article from a CT paper that reveals the investigation is nearly complete. Upon it's completion, the report will then be turned over to the DA's office. That office will review the report and then write a synopsis for release to the media and public.

You will be reminded that all involved in the investigation have been ordered to not discuss the evidence. You will also be reminded that the state passed a law prohibiting the release of any specific descriptions or depictions of the victims or their injuries.
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What could the demolition debris possibly reveal that you don't already know?

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What could the demolition

What could the demolition debris possibly reveal that you don't already know?

Bullet holes. If there aren't any, then did it happen?

So far we have ZERO evidence this actually happened. All we have is reports, confidential and sterilized on purpose, released at opportune times. We have actors who claim to be parents of the decreased. We have NO actual evidence of anything happening at the school otherwise. What we 'don't already know' is actually quite large when you sit down and think about what is 'released' and what is 'known'.

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Ahhhh. The desire for it to

Ahhhh. The desire for it to be true .

I am sure the families who lost a loved one would be pleased to know they are actors !

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