Vet Affairs Pays Union Employees' Wages

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Vet Affairs Pays Union Employees' Wages

The Veteran Affairs is almost too inept and corrupt to continue. The GAO found that 356 Vet Affairs employees do no work at all for them but, work 100% for their union...and still get a big Federal paycheck. True, this is a small percentage but it is still just, plain wrong. Worse, when brought to the attention of the Vet Affairs executives, they said it was proper what they are doing. Lets hope the Donald comes down heavy on this swampy cesspool of single-payer health care.

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Given the number of federal(

Given the number of federal( 700) employees this isn't surpriizing.
Main problem is "Official time is allowed under the 1978 Civil Service Reform Act"
The problem isn't the amount of time on union business it is the practice itself.

By the way this is not an uncommon practice ,even here in Maine on a smaller scale.

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Given the number of federal(

Given the number of federal( 700) employees this isn't surpriizing.
Main problem is "Official time is allowed under the 1978 Civil Service Reform Act"
The problem isn't the amount of time on union business it is the practice itself.

By the way this is not an uncommon practice ,even here in Maine on a smaller scale.

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Given the number of federal(

Given the number of federal( 700) employees this isn't surpriizing.
Main problem is "Official time is allowed under the 1978 Civil Service Reform Act"
The problem isn't the amount of time on union business it is the practice itself.

By the way this is not an uncommon practice ,even here in Maine on a smaller scale.

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Given the number of federal(

Given the number of federal( 700) employees this isn't surpriizing.
Main problem is "Official time is allowed under the 1978 Civil Service Reform Act"
The problem isn't the amount of time on union business it is the practice itself.

By the way this is not an uncommon practice ,even here in Maine on a smaller scale.

Bruce Libby
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Given the number of federal(

Given the number of federal( 700) employees this isn't surpriizing.
Main problem is "Official time is allowed under the 1978 Civil Service Reform Act"
The problem isn't the amount of time on union business it is the practice itself.

By the way this is not an uncommon practice ,even here in Maine on a smaller scale.

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Got it. Got it. Got it.

Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it.

You trying to rescue AMG numbers all by yourself?

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Bruce, it may be a practice

Bruce, it may be a practice but it is wrong and not what the regulation intended. It was never meant to pay 100% of the wages for someone doing no work at all for the agency. This is a quote from the article...

Official time is allowed under the 1978 Civil Service Reform Act. The idea behind it is to ensure that a federal employee who is also a union official won't be penalized for being away from work if he or she is negotiating a contract or addressing a worker grievance, for example. It is essentially a trade-off for the limitations put on federal unions, such as prohibitions on striking

At the VA, these Socialists do NO work. They are 100% union employed but are paid by the taxpayer.

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Around the time Watcher

Around the time Watcher started the thread, I was in upstate New York and heard a similar story about 'ghost teachers' . . educators on the school district/taxpayer payroll while working full time on behalf of their union. I tried to post it but AMG was misbehaving and I said screw it.

I can't find the NY story, off hand, so here are links to similar shenanigans in PA.

PA: " . . These ghosts are found in the form of teachers working for their local teachers union – nowhere to be found in the classrooms in which they were originally hired to teach.

The term “ghost teachers” (also known, more tactfully, as “release time” or “official time”) refers to a practice common in school districts across the country . .

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I was reminded of the thread when I learned of this:

N.Y. judge arrested, led from courthouse in handcuffs

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" . . Rochester court deputies and city police officers executed a bench warrant issued for Judge Leticia Astacio's arrest last week after she missed a Tuesday court appearance related to an August drunken-driving conviction . .

. . She returned later to the courthouse for an arraignment before Judge Stephen Aronson of Canandaigua City Court, who issued the warrant and is overseeing her drunken-driving case.

He ordered her held without bail in Monroe County Jail until a Thursday hearing. The reason she missed her court appearance last week was because she had been living in a temple with monks in the mountains of Thailand since May 3, she had texted to her lawyer.

Astacio, a Democrat who was elected to a 10-year term in 2014 . .

. . Though she still receives her paycheck, Astacio has been prohibited from presiding over cases since before her drunken driving conviction in August and has been barred from entering non-public areas of the courthouse since November. Her annual salary is $173,700.
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Nice work if you can get it. There were other arrests and disciplinary actions but I didn't want to give the impression I was ganging up on her.

Sometimes, public employee unions just can't seem to get a fair shake. Have you heard? Scott Walker is running again.

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Your making a case w/out the

Your making a case w/out the distinct difference between the two scenarios.
One is disciplinary/crmiinal behavior related the other than agreed upon practice within a contract.

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Bruce, the common thread is

Bruce, the common thread is people being paid by the taxpayer for doing no work whatsoever. I wonder if the ghost teachers and ghost VA employees are paid by the unions for their union activity. If so, do the employers deduct that pay from wages?

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Suggest call someone and ask.

Suggest call someone and ask.

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Precisely, Watcher. Further

Precisely, Watcher. Further and as is well known for the teachers, at least, the contracts are negotiated away from the public view. The public has no idea how much or what they're paying for until after the ink is dry.

In the case of the judge, living with monks in Thailand indicates not only is she not required to remain available to perform some other $173k service, it also looks like she can do so with impunity and without any fear of recourse.

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At least on the local level

At least on the local level has anyone asked to see teachers contract and been denied access ? They do have to be voted on by some elected officcal.

By the way can we have a list of labor contracts negotiated in in the publics view ?

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