Waco style confrontation looms in Nevada

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http://townhall.com/columnists/bobbarr/2014/04/23/blmbundy-confrontation...

The Sagebrush Rebellion finds new life.

One of the biggest land grabs in American history occurred in 1976, when President Jimmy Carter signed into a law the “Federal Land Policy and Management Act.” That stroke of the pen transferred hundreds of millions of acres of land, located primarily in the western states, into the control of the federal government. In reaction, an alliance of ranchers, farmers, and other concerned citizens – the “Sagebrush Rebels” as they came to be known -- challenged the move and sought to return the land back into the hands of the states. Ronald Reagan, at the time running for president, supported the action of the states. “I happen to be one who cheers and supports the Sagebrush Rebellion,” the Gipper remarked in 1980; “count me in as a rebel.”

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ccoose bemoans:

ccoose bemoans:
"The feds did not play out your ugly blood and revolution fantasy, they have ID'd the terists in attendance and Bundy is going to lose his shirt."

Nobody lives 140 years these days. That was in early biblical times. When a family member dies or retires it is normal to transfer the EXISTING property and rights to another family member. They are transferred intact.

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Then ccoose wonders:

Then ccoose imagines:
They weren't scared, they were smart.
Who in their right minds would want to play out your gun and blood fantasy?

The best example I can think of is the townspeople who stood on Lexington Green against the most powerful army in the world because it was the right thing to do.

"Do not fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here."
Capt. John Parker of the Lexington Militia

His older brother had seen enough tyranny. He put his hat on the ground, put his spare flints and musket balls in his hat and said, "I will not be moved from this spot." Jonas Parker was shot dead on that spot. Two men were running home to Woburn and came running onto the green. Capt. Parker's men were not yet fully assembled. John said to those men, "Will you stand with us?" It wasn't their town that was threatened. The men on that green were not their families or close friends. However, they were all Americans. They replied, "We will." One of them was shot dead on Lexington Green. He is buried on the green with the seven men from Lexington who died that morning.

Not one of those men had a "blood and gun fantasy", but in the 18 hours from midnight on the 18th to sunset of April 19th, 1775, 14,000 men were marching to face the King's Regulars. None of those men took such great risks for fame or glory. They had simply had enough of tyranny.

The day after the battle, John Adams walked Battle Road. After viewing the carnage he wrote in a letter to Abigail: "Posterity, you will never know the pains we took to preserve your liberty and if you do not make good use of it I will rue in Heaven all the pains I took to preserve it."

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Here is a very good link

Here is a very good link regarding the federal desert tortoise assault. It is worth your time to read it.

http://www.naturalnews.com/044728_federal_agents_rules_of_engagement_new...

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Why the Nevada vs. BLM Land

Why the Nevada vs. BLM Land Ownership Issue is Confusing

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It is a shame that Cliven Bundy is not more articulate in expressing his viewpoints. Most people think the federal government owns the land his cattle are grazing upon, and when asked he says no but does not have a clear explanation.

I did a little digging and found out why he does not have a clear explanation: because it IS confusing! But here is the gist of the story . .
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Linked within the post, above, 1979 Legislative Findings:

2010 Nevada Code
TITLE 26 PUBLIC LANDS
Chapter 321 Administration, Control and Transfer of State Lands
NRS 321.596 Legislative findings.

2. The State of Nevada has a legal claim to the public land retained by the Federal Government within Nevada's borders because:

(a) In the case of the State of Alabama, a renunciation of any claim to unappropriated lands similar to that contained in the ordinance adopted by the Nevada constitutional convention was held by the Supreme Court of the United States to be "void and inoperative" because it denied to Alabama "an equal footing with the original states" in Pollard v. Hagan, 44 U.S. (3 How.) 212 (1845);
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In a nutshell, the feds and Nevada made an illegitimate deal that appears to grant ownership to the feds. The Alabama case teaches us that there can be no such deals. You could say Bundy's dilemma hinges on Nevada's inaction to pursue it's rightful claim to it's land. I believe it is Bundy's position that there is no need for the state to pursue a claim because the original, Constitutionally offensive, statehood deal has no force.

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That is a start. It would be

That is a start. It would be good if someone could find the legal reviews on the Georgia case. If a good lawyer could then lay a little legal merit on the paperwork then the State of Nevada and the rest of the surrounding states with a dog in the fight would stand a much better chance of making their problems public. I would certainly be difficult for the media to suppress a federal lawsuit by the States against the Federal government involving millions upon millions of acres of land. I never understood why the land wasn't turned over to the various states anyway upon acceptance into the union. Then again maybe it was. It certainly will take a good team of shysters to straighten it out.

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A second plug for the article

A second plug for the article linked by Roger: Bundy Ranch and the new rules of engagement

If you read nothing else, read Rule #5 - a tickler:
"In reality, a law is nothing more than mutual consent of the governed. That consent, it turns out, can be invoked at any time if those who apply the law do so in a way that is egregious or unreasonable. All government power comes from the People, after all, and can therefore be revoked by the People if government becomes abusive or overreaching in its exercising of that power."

Sounds familiar! Kind of like: "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,..."

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Rebecca! The Alabama case is

Rebecca! The Alabama case is the Georgia case.
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I found the links/info from my earlier post to be very helpful. The guy who put the work together posts as TommyPaine at the Daily Paul. If you're interested in exploring a little deeper . . OK, a lot deeper . . into his research and reasoning, go to the second reader comments page and scroll about 2/3 of the way down, where he gets into a debate with another poster, begintowin. The subject matter is dry as hell but these two manage to keep it interesting.

IMHO, begintowin loses every round but he keeps on punching. TommyPaine could have knocked him out in CA but it looks like he missed that chance. I thought CA was the least nuanced of all the challenge examples.

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If no one has seen this

If no one has seen this report it should be viewed. I found it at http://bearingarms.com/are-you-really-going-to-shoot-these-people/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dtEVg8KNgBA

Listen carefully to the man telling the story. He speaks of being on the Mexican border and NOTHING even approaching this level of enforcement is happening there with the drug cartels. Pay attention to the devotion of spirit that those opposing the BLM have in their voices. This is all the result of overbearing government influence in the privacy of peoples lives. It is not a localized opinion of a few people. This opinion is spreading at a wildfire rate.

It's interesting to note that FOXNEWS is the ONLY network to report this situation. It's very telling as to which network is at least somewhat trustworthy.

This is not over and it will not end well at all. The sooner this administration and their appointees are removed from government the better.

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BLM investigator alleges

BLM investigator alleges misconduct by feds in Bundy ranch standoff

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" . . The memo comes from Larry Wooten, who had been the lead case agent and investigator for the U.S. Bureau of Land Management after the tense confrontation outside the patriarch's ranch near Bunkerville. Wooten also testified before a federal grand jury that returned indictments against the Bundys. He said he was removed from the investigation last February after he complained to the U.S. Attorney's Office in Nevada."
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There a several paragraphs of caustic conclusions.

I saw this at the link, above. I did a news search to see who else has picked it up . . so far? Crickets.

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good find

good find

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And we learned that it was a

And we learned that it was a pistol belonging to a BLM agent that killed Kate Steinle, and that agent was promoted despite the negligent care of his weapon, we realize how inept and corrupt the BLM can be.

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REPORT: Fed Agency Committed

REPORT: Fed Agency Committed ‘Militaristic’ Operation Against Nevada Rancher

The investigation’s report, made by BLM Special Agent Larry Wooten and addressed to the Department of Justice, was publicized last week after Washington state Rep. Matt Shea posted it on his Facebook page, according to The Wall Street Journal
Judge Navarro has ruled that Myhre’s prosecution team has committed numerous Brady Act violations failing to turn over exculpatory evidence, evidence that may exonerate the Bundys. In light of the violations and Wooten’s memo, Navarro sent the jury home last week as she considers ruling a mistrial or dismissing the case.
Wooten was removed from his position in the investigation in February by Myhre and his notes and case materials were taken. Assistant Special Agent Kent Klemen carried out Myhre’s order to gather Wooten’s data in what Wooten called a “raid” on his office.
Myhre declined TheDCNF’s request for comment.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/18/report-fed-agency-committed-militarist...

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Mistrial declared in Cliven

Mistrial declared in Cliven Bundy standoff case

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LAS VEGAS - A federal judge Wednesday declared a mistrial in the prosecution of Nevada cattleman Cliven Bundy, his two sons and a co-defendant, citing the government's "willful'' failure to turn over multiple documents that could help the defense fight conspiracy and assault charges in the 2014 Bunkerville standoff . .
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Bundys 2 Goons 0

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Oh good, I hope this means

Oh good, I hope this means the layabout Cadillac rat farmer will be allowed to continue to steal from the US taxpayers.

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