Washington Cty GOP Chair Dismayed Votes Won't Count in Poll

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Washington Cty GOP Chair Dismayed Votes Won't Count in Poll

Reposted with prior approval from AMG. This story is also posted in this ongoing thread here.

Maine GOP chairman says Romney wins caucuses
By STEVE PEOPLES
The Associated Press

...Washington County [caucuses]...scheduled for Saturday were postponed until Feb. 18....

...Washington County GOP Chairman Chris Gardner objected, saying he had known his county's tally wouldn't be included in Saturday's announcement.., didn't realize it wouldn't be counted at all. He...called state party leaders and "expressed my complete...utter dismay."

Gardner, a Romney supporter, said the snowstorm...left him no choice but to postpone...caucuses.

"I trust...the party will make the right decision here."

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/nation/maine-gop-chairman-says-romney-...

Larry
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Many caucuses were scheduled

Many caucuses were scheduled for after Feb. 11th.

Our regional caucus in this part of Hancock County was scheduled for Feb. 18th back in December.

We don't know why the national media were told the caucuses end on Feb. 11th.

Dan Billings
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The straw poll ended

The straw poll ended yesterday. That was how it was set up when it was established by the State Committee.

None of the votes in the straw poll "count." What counts are the votes at the State Convention. Those elected at the later caucuses can still participate in the convention.

Naran
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Dan - it sounds as if the

Dan - it sounds as if the questions and displeasure being expressed by some R's would be better directed to their local committee chairs, who should have known the straw vote ended on Feb. 11th.

As you mentioned on the other thread, the caucus dates were decided locally.

The caucus process was decided by the State GOP Committee, in the fall of 2010. However, it is the local committee chairs who decide when to have their own caucuses.

Bob S
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it sounds as if the questions

it sounds as if the questions and displeasure being expressed by some R's would be better directed to their local committee chairs,

I agree Naran. At an Auburn city meeting I mentioned that Auburns website was quite outdated. Information was 2 to 3 years old. People were listed in office that no longer were. I noticed the promptly took down the site. We need to work harder in getting out information.

JW
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There seems to be something

There seems to be something terribly wrong with this whole picture.
I've got a fairly good grasp on it and I think most of the readers here do as well.
This is called "POLITICS AS USUAL"
The powers that be will see to it that the numbers that are presented to the nation at large will be well within their pre-planned guidelines.
This stinks of corruption & manipulation right to the core!
"Gardner, a Romney supporter, said the snowstorm...left him no choice but to postpone...caucuses."
What a crock.. 2-3 inches of snow never slowed this (Washington) county down before.
This is just Mr. Gardners excuse to deny a whole lot of votes being counted.
Walk proudly Mr. Gardner... you're owned!
..JW..

LarryinAugusta
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I don't know, the girls

I don't know, the girls scouts can meet in the snow but not adults GOP caucus goers......Seems kinda funny. This along with all the errors with the official results. Makes you wonder. The GOP is big on voter fraud for young students but we can even get our own act together.

As a registered member of the Maine GOP, I demand an apology for this. Stand up, be accountable, admit the mistakes and learn from them.

JW
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Think about it Larry... The

Think about it Larry... The Girl Scouts have adult leadership and are big on "personal responsibility"
Just sayin...

TGHold
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"This stinks of corruption &

"This stinks of corruption & manipulation right to the core!
"Gardner, a Romney supporter, said the snowstorm...left him no choice but to postpone...caucuses."
What a crock.. 2-3 inches of snow never slowed this (Washington) county down before.
This is just Mr. Gardners excuse to deny a whole lot of votes being counted.
Walk proudly Mr. Gardner... you're owned!
..JW..
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Dear JW,

Chairman Chris Gardner is most certainly NOT "owned" by anyone. And to even hint that he is, let alone could be, a part of some state GOP conspiracy to have Maine go to Mitt Romney in 2012 state caucus is absolute BS!!

Chris absolutely made the right call to postpone due to the weather, and he did NOT make the call himself, He asked several other members our committee most of whom were involved with the planning of the caucus, all agreed to postpone. As a matter of fact the roads were so slick Saturday in East Machias that at the time the caucus was scheduled to began there was an car accident less than a half mile from the Caucus site that apparently sent at least one person to the hospital by EMS.
I must say, I would rather be posting my responses to our critics today than be posting my condolences to a friends family member and explaining why we didn't postpone!

This all being said, I too am pissed that the State Committee allowed national pressure to get them and announced a winner before every vote was counted. That is NOT the GOP I am proud to be a part of. NOW, trust me this is not over and I guarantee you Chairman Chris Gardner is working his hardest to ensure that our votes will count.

--Trevor Hold--

mainemom
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Trevor, your votes WILL

Trevor, your votes WILL count, at convention, the only place where any votes count.

Dan Billings
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The Maine GOP announced

The Maine GOP announced months ago that results would be announced Saturday night at the Regency. How would the party and the state look if Webster, with national media present, had announced that because of weather in Washington County, the results would not be announced?

Naran
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Trevor - thank you for the

Trevor - thank you for the details, and the reassurance on the decision made to cancel the caucuses in Washington County.

Calvin
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I was asked personally by

I was asked personally by Charlie Webster to attend the State convention. I didn't even bother to go to the county caucus knowing that the convention would be on a Sunday.

We should put an end to this lunacy with a National Primary election.

Peter
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Next time, maybe the rural

Next time, maybe the rural counties ought to caucus a week earlier incase of inclement weather. I once lost a national sales contest because of a major snowstorm. Lesson that I learned is that snowstorms dont count but deadlines do!

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I don't know, the girls

I don't know, the girls scouts can meet in the snow but not adults GOP caucus goers......Seems kinda funny.

Maybe there was fear that state employees would be disenfranchised. It would be a dangerous precedent if they were able to arrive somewhere when it snows.

thistle
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Discovered on Maine Senate

Discovered on Maine Senate Candidates Facebook Page
Note from Senate President Kevin L. Raye (R-Perry) on the Straw Poll Vote

Maine Republican Candidates

Kevin Raye: Martin, I agree 100% that our votes in Washington County must count just as much as votes cast anywhere else. Regardless of which candidate anyone supports, we should all agree on that.

I spoke with Chairman Webster last night to express my strong view that our votes must count and to make the point that they certainly will count in the court of public opinion and in the media.

...Caucus organizers from each town who made the decision to postpone erred on the side of safety, which was a reasonable thing to do, especially given that Saturday's localized storm resulted in treacherous driving conditions in Washington County. The fact that our local Republican leaders placed the safety and well-being of their friends and neighbors ahead of politics should in no way lessen the importance of our votes in the non-binding straw poll.

Next Saturday, Washington County's straw poll votes will be counted and announced publicly. It is my posiiton that the Maine Republican Party must acknowledge them, despite the weather delay that pushed our caucuses back a week.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Maine-Republican-Candidates/2440990422702...

Naran
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Thank you, Thistle. The way I

Thank you, Thistle.

The way I understand it, since the 2/11 deadline has passed, there is nothing preventing any Maine caucus from announcing the results of their own straw poll.

Meanwhile, I encourage all Maine GOP members to remember the big picture, put aside the squabbling, and move forward together.

As Ben Franklin so wisely said:

[size=14]"Let Us Hang Together; for Surely, Otherwise We Shall Hang Separately."[/size]

Mike G
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I don't think Ben was talking

I don't think Ben was talking about a caucus straw poll at the time, nor the apparent premature release of totals nor that the release of these results would give "-Romney a must needed boost after losing 3 to Santorum" no less.

We are talking about momentum here and perceived electability and some all too convenient decisions by apparent Romney supporters.

jimcooncat
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It doesn't matter if Mr.

It doesn't matter if Mr. Webster was technically covered by his announcement. Instead of reporting that the poll was inconclusive, he must have known that the headlines would be "Romney wins Maine". This is unfairly stacking the deck, especially with regards to fund raising. I call on the Maine GOP for his immediate removal for this deceptive trick.

Jim Corr
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If you want the media

If you want the media attention you need to have everyone voting on the same day so that all results are counted at once. A three inch snow storm should not prevent the caucus from taking place. Not in Maine. Let's change it at the convention.

CaJo
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Dan, Charlie knew Friday

Dan, Charlie knew Friday night that the caucus for Washington County was postponed, and had plenty of time imo to make the needed arrangements...my question is how will it look if he doesn't add Washington and Hancock County results to the final numbers...for the record Washington and Hancock County are united in the idea we are going to post them anyway...
Carter Jones
Amherst Maine Republican Chair

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This is the type of political

This is the type of political in-fighting that makes me want to get out of the party. It's simply embarassing.

LarryinAugusta
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Standing up for your right to

Standing up for your right to be heard and demanding that your vote count is not embarrassing, at least not for the individual that wants their vote counted.

Lefty
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This was not just a "3 inch

This was not just a "3 inch snowstorm". Snow was coming down hard during that time and there were accidents in the area. Chairman Gardner and everyone else involved in the decision to postpone made the right decision, just like those who are protesting not having their votes counted made the right call to challenge the good ole boys in Augusta and Portland. In this case, the Washington County GOP and those protesting are putting PEOPLE before POLITICS.

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I got an email from the Ron

I got an email from the Ron Paul campaign saying that Washington County got a mere "dusting" of snow, and used it as an excuse to call of the Caucus, and they did it on purpose, because they knew Ron Paul was going to sweep the Caucus and win the state. And the state GOP "establishment" conspired with the media in Maine to "rush" the announcement that Romney had won the state.

And people wonder why the Ron Paul people were so difficult to deal with in the Caucuses. They don't trust or want to work with anyone.

thistle
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Maine GOP disputes claims of

Maine GOP disputes claims of caucus snow-job for Romney
By Steve Mistler, Staff Writer
Published on Monday, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:08 pm

...Senate President Kevin Raye...said Monday...he hopes the party will change its mind.

"In the court of public opinion and in the media, those votes matter," Raye said. "People can add and I believe it's important to count these people's votes."

...Paul's campaign claimed the snowstorm in Washington County amounted to...a "dusting," Raye said caucus leaders made the right decision calling off the caucuses.

"It was not a good night to be...driving...."

http://www.sunjournal.com/news/state/2012/02/14/maine-gop-disputes-claim...

Jon Reisman
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The caucus was postponed, and

The caucus was postponed, and it's a good thing. I live 16 miles north of East Machias, and the travelling was bad Saturday after 3. The roads connecting 9 and 1 still have a lot of snow and ice on them.

Chris Gardner called me early Friday afternoon and we discussed the weather forecast and postponing the caucus. I was against it but agreed to postpone town caucus till next week. I did tell Chris that I didn't think Charlie Webster was going to hold off announcing the winner Saturday night.

My son, a Ron Paul supporter, had come home from college to participate in his first Republican caucus. I'm supporting Romney. I'm pretty sure there was no anti Ron Paul pro Romney cabal operating, but I suppose I could be a totally clueless RINO dupe.

I am looking forward to the caucus Saturday, My son is coming home again, and I think we might have a record turn out now. And you know...if I was 20 I'd probably vote for Ron Paul too.

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To be clear, not all Paul

To be clear, not all Paul supporters are advancing the conspiracy. With the known counting discrepencies and the Washington County cancellation in hand, Webster's folly was tendering a result he couldn't back up, knowing full well how the supposed victory would be exploited. In doing so, he put the interests of one candidate ahead of the interests of the state party. Ethically, he should have said "We'll get back to you next week."

In hindsight, a little mystery and intrigue may have generated more interest and sold a few more meals and hotel rooms.

Old Dame Fortune
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Naran said, "Meanwhile, I

Naran said, "Meanwhile, I encourage all Maine GOP members to remember the big picture, put aside the squabbling, and move forward together."

Ok. But can you please define, what you mean by these terms: "big picture" and moving "forward together."

Judging from the events of 2-11, I dont think the GOP elite and the rank and file members of that party have the same definitions of even those basic terms.

TIA.

Calvin
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I am looking forward to the

I am looking forward to the caucus Saturday, My son is coming home again, and I think we might have a record turn out now. And you know...if I was 20 I'd probably vote for Ron Paul too.

You have to vote for Ron Paul or otherwise you validate Charlie Webster's claim that Washington County vote would be irrellevant anyway. If the Washington County vote, even though it "doesn't count", doesn't make a technical change in the outcome, you will always be "irrellevant".

Dave Jackson
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I have what I think is a

I have what I think is a simple question. I have been neither a Romney nor a Paul supporter and the vote at the caucuses counted only for some nebulous bragging rights as the delegates, which are the only people who county for anything, will be decided at the convention. I do understand the disappointment at the votes in Washington County not being included, but I also understand deadlines and choices. However, now we're told that the Washington County people are going to vote this weekend and will announce the results. So what, nothing will change, except, perhaps, Paul, because of all this publicity might get enough people out to win. But will it be a win? That's my question. Sure, he may win Washington County but how many people won't bother to show up because the deadline has passed and the results announced and how many will show up just to continue to make a meaningless point? Even the results announced last Saturday are meaningless. Paul's people, of course, can proclaim that the vote was stacked. If the results change this Saturday, then it will be Romney's people proclaiming the vote was changed because Paul's people stacked the deck after learning the original results. I had an English teacher 60 or so years ago that said the old literature taught "truisms" we should understand today. One of those British author's wrote something about "Much ado about ..."

Dave

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