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[quote="Tony Bessey"][quote="Frank J. Heller"]The 1,000 word col. accepted by the PPH by myself and Ken Lindell was not printed this weekend.

I'm thinking the Governor has lobbied MaineMedia to avoid hammering Dirigo....and they have; all the while the union and the Dem's have mounted a major P.R. campaign on Radio and TV. to boost the governor and Dirigo.

....conspiracy?[/quote]

Frank,

Right now an Organized Republican effort should be spending big money on television and media stating that while Unions support Dirigo, none of their members are enrolled in the program. They should then go on to suggest that if the Governor, Democrats and Unions were so big on Dirigo's survival why arn't they and their members all enrolled in the program. I would make those points and then close with ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.

But of course that would require more 14 Republicans in AUGUSTA to have a set of balls, and we know that won't happen anytime soon, but I digress.

Tony[/quote]

Sometimes you make a good point and then smother it with bitterness so that it gets lost. Maybe you should try a sleep number bed. The advertisements say they help you sleep better and wake up feeling better about life.

FLAMMENWERFER
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A PAUSE....

As for my case, let's wait and see how the editorial board responds. They hae a point about monotony, but I believe I am right to insist on the last word over a column which is supposed to represent my point of view.

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You can always come back to Dirigo. I would rather see them gain the battle of this week rather than lose your weekly voice completely. It is their paper and they make the rules.

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Yet there is nothing in that idea that prevents the readers from supporting writer. I recommend a letter to the paper on the issue.

Henry Clay
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I agree Jim.

Tony Bessey
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[quote="PB"]
Sometimes you make a good point and then smother it with bitterness so that it gets lost. Maybe you should try a sleep number bed. The advertisements say they help you sleep better and wake up feeling better about life.[/quote]

PB,

PB, I am speaking the truth and that is the bottom line. Hell we are under a year till the election and the Republicans are already throwing themselves under the bus by their own inaction. Am I bitter? no. Am I a relaist> Yes. Will the Republicans ever take a leadership role in Augusta? Not until they present something other than Democrat Lite to the people of Maine.

Let me let you in on a little secret PB. Mainers want change, the Republicans just fail to make the case that they represent signifigant change for the people of Maine. Running to the middle as not to offend when everyone wants contrast and choice makes no sense. Look at Dirigo for example. The Unions would have a fit if they were on the program, but because it a Baldacci item they are supporting the program. They are taking advantage of the fact that many poeple have no clue that Maine's unions don't enroll in the plan.

Tony

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Bitter? Like how much of your time have you spent?

PB...sorry, but we've spent a lot of time uncovering the lies and innuendo about DIRIGO. When I get an "O.K" from a PPH editor to an essay we spent a lot of time editing; I expect it to be published in a timely matter, esp. since it addressed the full pager Porter & co. scribbled out two wks ago.

While this has turned into a partisan war, the Blethans own the battlefield; unless we start digging for dirt and go to fox news and sound bites. May happen since there is a lot of conflict of interest and damned if I know who is auditing Dirigo's various marketing ventures.

The union piece is pure re-election politics and MUST be subject to all the rules on disclosure, etc. What's next?-- the DMV computer system mess, the payback of illegally obtained migrant education monies? the sale of the liquor business?

Our criticism of DIRIGO and the design of its replacement is now high stake's, hard-all, politics. You either stay in the game and play hard; or wimp out.

Which team are you playing for?

Melvin Udall
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Another fine case of the "watchdogs of government" actually being "lapdogs of government." In this case, instead of merely opportunity lost, they actively contribute toward the downfall of Maine.

I'd say Frary should guest spot it on Ray's show, and explain what's going on. Many of us have similar stories, if not at this level.

My most recent episode locally was over the teachers union contract and what surrounded it.

Naran
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Mel, how did that go? Any details you'd care to share?

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To take this conversation a bit off course...

Let me pose a solution to the larger problem.

Problem: KJ, MS, LSJ, BDN,and the paper that won't be named, all of them fall into the same category, they support the dems/liberals at all costs.

Solution: Instead of fighting with them continuously and attempt to make them report using ethics and fair practices, why doesn't anyone want to use the free market against them. Example, we live in the digital age, there is little that can't be done online....

Why not create a online paper? I'm sure people like Frary and others would be willing to contribute when they can. The idea is simple. Create the publication you want, use email to distribute it and your costs initially can be kept to just about nothing. Yeah, it will start small and will need time to grow (remember Fox News and talk radio or even AMG). In theory, if the paper is produced in a manner in which both sides are clearly presented and the content is managed (to be appropriate and not obscene), what's to prevent this from becoming a large player in the Maine media?

We know the Republicans and Conservative base are pining for a alternative news source. It wouldn't be impossible to create one (many of the contributers here are more than blessed in their ability to present different sides of an argument). This publication could start as a once a week publication. People would subscribe (like we do here) and be placed on the email list to receive the paper. People would sign up out of curiousity and that fact that the publication would be free.

As the number of subscribers grow, there is potential for advertising. All in all, this would be an interesting exercise that just might open the eyes of the Maine media. This, of course, is all just my opinion and feel free to flame it to the ground if necessary. :)

Tru

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No flaming from me. The Kennebunk Post is precisely that kind of publication. Free to all homes in Kennebunk, the Port, and Arundel. They are delivered to mailboxes all over, and the ads pay for the editorial content.

Since they came to town a year and a half ago, they have eaten 20% of the other local papers' distribution, and growing daily. Richly deserved... they print a balanced mix of conservative and liberal letters, and articles that go beyond the usual party line from town hall.

The publisher owns a string of these, about four or five right now, in various Southern Maine towns.

I see no reason an email version couldn't also pay for itself, in time.

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[quote="Dusty's Dad"][quote]I have heard rumors for months now that Baldacci or someone from his staff personally dresses down anyone who challenges the Baldacci Cabal. [/quote]

That's nothing new. The party in power traditionally whines when their policies are questioned by the media. It goes back to the Jim Longley days, although he had no party platform to stand on.

Folks in the know tell me that House Speaker John Richardson is pretty cozy with the Blethen family, although I understand his law firm no longer represents the newspapers' unions.[/quote]

DD, the Baldacci folks are far more into arm-twisting and haranguing reporters than any administration I've seen since the 1970s. The skin in this administration is so thin you can read agate type through it. I personally know reporters who have been called in for get-to-know-you meetings that turned into Umphrey ambushes. (Does he really think he's helping his boss with these tactics?) And Baldacci himself hasn't been above using his position to send messages to media organizations. He even tried to strong-arm the Blethen editorial board with claims that the papers weren't treating him fairly. And while the reporters I know aren't cowed, editors at times seem far more sensitive to anything that might anger the administration.

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an idea

JOHN, if CMN continues to ban your column . . . How about turning it over to all unbiased newspapers in the state? There are a handful out there as we know. Your fellow columnists may run it as a point of honor.

Not sure whether this would be a good idea or not, but I thought I'd share and let you decide. Obviously, I'm not aware of what your contract may stipulate.

I'm sure it would interest these papers to run, "the piece CMN wouldn't touch!"

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FLUSH: Good idea. I've already received an offer from the CCL and will explore other possibilities. David Offer called this afternoon to tell me that he will not print the column...he's the editor, a one-trick pony is boring, I had been told before the Umphrey e-mail to get off Dirigo (not in my recollection), etc. I told him that it was his job to give, withhold or withdraw; my column to write and that I would re-submit the column until the print it or fired me. So he dismissed me from the columnist position.

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BOYCOTT THE CAN OF JUNK JOURNAL

I hereby call on the public of Maine - liberals and conservatives alike to boycott the pro-Castro, pro-Baldacci, anti-American Can of Junk Journal

PILGRIM

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At Least They're Consistent

What do you expect from a paper that praised B's trip to Cuba and said the shop "Spellbound" brought a bit of New York to Augusta?

I can imagine they wouldn't have much sympathy for Frary - he is after all one of our own, a real Mainer.

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Pilgrim...why not keep it to your thread then...I hear you just fine.

Naran
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John, I suggest you send a LTTE and politely outline your reasons for departing their publication. Let's see if they have the spine to print it, or whether their censorship applies across the board.

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Ideological demogogery won't sell in the weeklies, but a 'velvet glove' approach using common sense and facts in the public domain will.

That's the approach we are taking now; with a lead in to the Dirigo Options and written in 6th grade English; not health insurance'ize.

Weeklies are wide open, and since they depend on advertisers a lot more sympathetic with our viewpoints, will more readily print these public 'briefings' as I call them.

If you want to have them sponsor a column like Fraries, you better bring in a suite of advertisers to pay for the space. There is no free ride in the private sector....at least, not for very long.

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[quote="charlotte"]Not only do you start a specific thread on the above statement...but you have to add it to this thread too? Ugh.[/quote]

Charlotte, what happened to diversity? You used to be so inclusive. Tsk, tsk.

You need to get off this bah, humbug stuff and get a little Christmas spirit.

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Gerald, he started a thread with the exact post...

Ahh, why waste my breath...you just miss me..don't you Gerald..

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[quote="Tony Bessey"][PB,

PB, I am speaking the truth and that is the bottom line. Hell we are under a year till the election and the Republicans are already throwing themselves under the bus by their own inaction. Am I bitter? no. Am I a relaist> Yes. Will the Republicans ever take a leadership role in Augusta? Not until they present something other than Democrat Lite to the people of Maine.

Let me let you in on a little secret PB. Mainers want change, the Republicans just fail to make the case that they represent signifigant change for the people of Maine. Running to the middle as not to offend when everyone wants contrast and choice makes no sense. Look at Dirigo for example. The Unions would have a fit if they were on the program, but because it a Baldacci item they are supporting the program. They are taking advantage of the fact that many poeple have no clue that Maine's unions don't enroll in the plan.

Tony[/quote]

We have had this discussion before. And you have had it with others in several threads. You keep yelling about the messaging of the GOP but you cannot apply the same ideas to yourself. I am trying to tell you that I usually agree with you but cannot stand the bitterness that is in almost every post. You are not even accurate or fair. You and a certain radio host will never be satisfied until the GOP comes to you for approval of every press release or idea. Even then, I doubt that it would ever be enough. You refer to every republican as "seeking the middle of the road" or as "democrat lite".
I am beginning to think you never read or listen to anyone except yourself.
But far be it from me to interfere with your freedom of speech. I will just change the channel.

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For what it's worth...

...my letter to the KJ LTTE.(direct contact e-mail wouldn't come up. Hmmm...)

Mr. Offer,
I understand that you have elected to terminate John Frary's column because he is tackling the Dirigo debacle. That program is money out of my pocket, sir, and Frary's exposure of it's failings should be made available to all.
Sounds to me like you're buckling under pressure from the Baldacci administration. You folks call yourselves a news organization? Then PRINT THE FACTS on BOTH SIDES of an issue.
Apparently, you choose to opt for 'a wink and a nod' publishing philosophy.
You and many other papers wonder why circulation is down.
All the blame cannot be put on the Internet, as you folks are wont to do. Ever think it just MIGHT be your content?
My advice: Lose the agenda and get back to reporting unbiased news, and Offer(pun intended) balanced editorial content.
Tom Ouellette

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[quote="Frank J. Heller"]Ideological demogogery won't sell in the weeklies, but a 'velvet glove' approach using common sense and facts in the public domain will.

That's the approach we are taking now; with a lead in to the Dirigo Options and written in 6th grade English; not health insurance'ize.

[/quote]

Such an approach is warrented in the current political climate in Maine....it doesn't put a fire in the bellow of the base but it at least does get the ideas and facts out there to a wider audience.

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Tom O - most excellente, sir!!!
8)

Let's see if they have the cojones to print it.

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[url=http://centralmaine.mainetoday.com/readerservices/lettertotheeditor.html... link[/url]

Dunno if you need to sign up or not.

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Bravo, Mr. Frary, for standing on principle.

Perhaps the KJ can get Art Mayo to write the "conservative" column.

Roger S
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[url=http://centralmaine.mainetoday.com/contact_popup.html?user=doffer&domain...'s the email link for David Offer,[/url] executive editor.

[url=http://centralmaine.mainetoday.com/contact_popup.html?user=acristan&doma...'s the email link for Anthony Christan,[/url] opinion page editor.

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Diversity or Perversity?

So much for diversity and tolerance....

I guess it doesn't extend to the realm of ideas...

but I knew that already...

it's the left-wing establishment hard at work

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[quote="Tony Bessey"][quote="PB"]
Sometimes you make a good point and then smother it with bitterness so that it gets lost. Maybe you should try a sleep number bed. The advertisements say they help you sleep better and wake up feeling better about life.[/quote]

PB,

PB, I am speaking the truth and that is the bottom line. Hell we are under a year till the election and the Republicans are already throwing themselves under the bus by their own inaction. Am I bitter? no. Am I a relaist> Yes. Will the Republicans ever take a leadership role in Augusta? Not until they present something other than Democrat Lite to the people of Maine.

Let me let you in on a little secret PB. Mainers want change, the Republicans just fail to make the case that they represent signifigant change for the people of Maine. Running to the middle as not to offend when everyone wants contrast and choice makes no sense. Look at Dirigo for example. The Unions would have a fit if they were on the program, but because it a Baldacci item they are supporting the program. They are taking advantage of the fact that many poeple have no clue that Maine's unions don't enroll in the plan.

Tony[/quote]

I look forward to meeting you on the 17th in Yarmouth. Tony with respect, lets work towards the solution- anyone can complain

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