What is a Constitution Free Zone?

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Gaffer
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What is a Constitution Free Zone?

View this and explain to me what they (the ACLU and Homeland Security are up too? https://www.aclumaine.org/node/801

eagleisland
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Whatever they're up to, it

Whatever they're up to, it likely isn't good.

Good find, Gaffer - thanks for sharing it.

And good on the ACLU (and its local franchise) for sending up the flag. Every once in a while the ACLU does indeed fight on the side of the angels - though the cynic in me suspects its usually to provide cover for some of their more outrageous activities. Nonetheless, I'm glad they're looking into this. It's interesting - all of New England with the exception of southwestern Vermont is in the zone. As are the entire states of New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, Florida, Michigan and Hawaii.

Gaffer
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I googled it and found this
Islander
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One of the few times I agree

One of the few times I agree with the ACLU

FLAMMENWERFER
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The ACLU has always included

The ACLU has always included a minority faction that really cares about civil rights---as opposed to the majority which is devoted to defending and advancing the liberal agenda of expansionary government. Harvey Silverglate, for example, is one of the co-founders of F.I.R.E which is devoted to opposing "speech codes."

pmconusa
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What you are witnessing is

What you are witnessing is one of the characteristics of a police state where government can harrass people with little or no consequence to those doing the harrassing. Its what happens when you allow the rule makers to break their own rules with impunity and the great failing of the framers of our Constitution in not providing severe and immediate penalties for those breaking the rules, even those they themselves make. The ballot box was not sufficient control against those who would make and break their own rules.

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The framers could not, in

The framers could not, in their wildest dreams, have envisioned an invention so diabolical, evil, and controlling as the small boxes filled with jumbles of wires and electronic devices from which emanates the brain controlling waves that have turned the US populace into fluff addicted zombies.
It's a wonder anything gets done in this country when Dancing With The Stars is on.

ewv
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MRS turned Maine into a

MRS turned Maine into a Constitution-free zone long ago. It retroactively "reinterprets" the law to mean what suits it, makes up accusations with no evidence, doesn't tell its victims exactly what they are accused of or who made the accusation, demands that its victims prove their innocence, demands payoffs under threats to seize property and further punitive action, exploits abusive litigation tactics, and more.

The ACLU isn't interested in civil rights violations when perpetrated by tax agencies operating under non-objective law. Bureaucrats operating under 'administrative' law is now probably the biggest general threat to civil rights.

Islander
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I've always thought

I've always thought constitution (the American Constitution) free zones would include Canada, Mexico, all of Central and South America, Cuba, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, the entire Asia-Pacific area, not including Hawaii; and all American airports.

Roger Ek
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ewv mentions: "demands that

ewv mentions:
"demands that its victims prove their innocence, demands payoffs under threats to seize property and further punitive action, exploits abusive litigation tactics, and more."

Very few citizens in Maine know that they must prove there is no vernal pool on their property to get a building permit. If there is a puddle or skidder rut on your property, you have to get it tested by a state certified expert during a limited time in May to prove there are no endangered species on your land. If you miss that time in May you have to wait until the following May.

These certified testers are hard to find. If you miss your chance to find one you just wait until next year.

Your tax dollars at work.

thejohnchapman
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These aren't the only

These aren't the only "constitution free" zones. Check out the "Safe Schools" 1000 foot victim disarmament zone. Some very shortsighted people wanted to also create 1000 foot free speech free zone around cemeteries, whenever there was a funeral. How easy it is to say "let's violate the constitution -- here".

http://www.asmainegoes.com/node/12258

Roger Ek
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There are schools within

There are schools within 1,000 feet of Interstate highways and state highways with schools within 1,000 feet of the traveled way. I pulled into a lot adjacent to a post office to mail a letter. There were three other vehicles near mine. The spaces in front of the post office were empty. It was raining. When I got back into my truck my customer asked why I didn't just park in front. I said it was the same reason as the other three trucks. There have firearms in their trucks and it is illegal to park in front. Such inane rules don't make anybody safer.

Think about Route 1, the Airline or Route 6. All three routes into Washington County have schools directly on those roads. The same is true of Route 1 coming down from Aroostook County. These geographically impaired lawmakers would shut down commerce to and from Washington County as an example and many other areas of Maine. We would have to go to Washington County by boat and travel around the county on logging roads because no significant paved road would be legal to drive on.

The Democrats are back in power in Augusta.

thejohnchapman
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Roger: the "safe schools"

Roger: the "safe schools" act is federal. Augusta is irrelevant to the !000 foot requirement. They merely require a "mostly" gun free zone unless oked by the superintendent. Still, no loaded guns allowed to be walking around anywhere but at a shooting range at school.

pmconusa
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Maine's Constitution gives

Maine's Constitution gives the legislature the power to "make all reasonable laws and regulations for the defense and benefit of the people of this State". In simple terms this means that any law or regulation must conform to two requirements simultaneously. They are they must be for the DEFENSE AND BENEFIT of the people. The latter means all of the people, not a select few or a certain percentage of. Ask yourself how many of the laws and regulations passed by the Legislature and the Governor meet these Constitutional requirements. In my opinion very few and that is why we have so many problems and the loss of most of our freedom.

Mike Lange
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Regarding the original post

Regarding the original post on this thread, I've had to deal with cases involving the Border Patrol several times in my previous life as a weekly newspaper editor. Sometimes it would have been easier getting information out of North Korea.

Remember the roadblocks on I-95 a few years ago? Old white guys like me just smiled, slowed down and were waved through.

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