Who Does the Government protect?

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JIMV
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Who Does the Government protect?

Actually, the only folk I want to see in Jail are those who leak secrets, steal from the government, sell their office, or are overt in their sedition....

The rest I would like to simply call what they are, partisan traitors....That group is vast, from Kennedy, to Chuckie, to a host of hacks in the house.

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Gee, woodie, didja ignore my post for a reason? Go find the Earth Liberation Front and read up on them.

How many shades of "rationalization" do you think it will take before on of those bong-head "monkeywrenchers" decides saving Gaia demands blowing up a corporate office full of people?

Remember the chicken-ass freedom fighters that thought social justice should be carried out against Central Maine Power in Augusta (12 May 1976)? A lot of people I now work with would be dead if there had not been a successful evacuation, or if the "rocket scientists" who made the bomb hadn't gotten the timer right. Right here in Maine, budzo.

Would you rather trust some crazed nutball to design a proper bomb, and then call and let you know you should evac?

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Here is a little more to chew on...

This from Powerline this date:

President Bush is giving a live press conference from a hospital where he is visiting servicemen who were wounded in Iraq. Nearly all of the questions related to the NSA surveillance program. Bush did a great job of both defining and defending the program. [b]He said that the program consists of tracking phone calls made from al Qaeda members overseas into the U.S.[/b] If that is correct, then the media's frequent references to "domestic spying" are incorrect. [b]When asked what Bush has to say to those who are concerned about their civil liberties, he responded along the lines of, "If al Qaeda is calling you, we want to know why. I think that's reasonable."[/b]

[url]http://www.powerlineblog.com/[/url]

The White House later clarified Bush's remarks, saying he meant to say calls [b]going to and originating from the U.S. [/b]were being monitored.

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060102/ap_on_go_pr_wh/domestic_spying[/url]

JIMV
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That is the bottom line. The public WANTS the president to be on top of terror and if that involves intercepting the mail of terrorists or potential terrorists...fine.

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I realize that all you good people defending the actions of our federal government is well aware of what you are defending. I know you are well aware of the size and scope of what you are defending. I know that you are aware that our federal government is comprised of over 520 different departments and agencies. That does not include past and present programs such as Echelon, Matrix, Carnivore, TDC-Training and Doctrine Conmmand, CPD-Community Planning Developement, Know Your Customer, TIPS-Terrorism Information and Prevention System which was copied from a Nazi Germany program, TALON with it's Department of Defense database designed to snare and distribute raw non validated reports, TIA-Terrorism Information Awareness Program, CIFA- Counterintellligence Field Activity, DIA-Defense Intelligence Agency, JITFCT-Joint Intelligence Task Force Combating Terrorism, Automated Information Systems, Homeland Security and this list could go on.

If you good people are satisfied and all this makes you have a feeling of security, I guess it is a good thing as you apparently believe and I will not critize you for your beliefs, but as for me I believe it is overkill and as on 9-11 they will fall over each other, try to protect their own turf and wind up not even defending themselves. I will depend on myself to protect me as I do not TRUST OUR GOVERNMENT. You do get the kind of government you elect.

This will be my last word on this subject as I do see the futility of it all.
Bud

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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, Bud. I do understand your concerns and I am certainly not for snooping on average Joe Citizen. Thanks for a debate that did not descend into name calling.

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As Americans become increasingly risk-averse, we clamor increasingly for prevention.
Prevent lung cancer by banning smoking.
Prevent obesity related disease by nagging us into better eating habits.
Prevent the possibility of undesirable effects from climate change by imposing economy-wrecking carbon restrictions.
Prevent car wrecks by stopping drunk driving.
Prevent sex crimes by registering the offenders.
Prevent communicable diseases through vaccination.
Prevent tragic illness by funding medical research.

After 911, Americans repsonded to two ways:
1) Use our military to take the fight to the terrorists, away from our shores.
2) Prevent attacks here at home.

Prevention in this case requires intelligence gathering more than any other tool.
If we cannot accept the kind of eavesdropping in question here (the NSA program, not the Patriot ACt - two different things), then let's be clear that we do not care about prevention.
But don't demand prevention while whining about intelligence gathering.

As for illegal immigration from this hemisphere: How do you propose to prevent it?
I say let them come if healthy, just make them prove who they are and make all welfare programs off-limits, permanently.
Do put them into the SS system to broaden the base of the crumbling pyramid. (Or kill SS, period).
And require them to learn English.

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[quote="knucklehead"]Remove taxes from payroll deduction and require citizens to pay by check (no electronic trasfers) and we would have a revolution overnight at every level of government.[/quote]

I had to post this, as it seemed almost inconcievable. I agree with Knucklehead statement above.

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[quote="mainemom"]As Americans become increasingly risk-averse, we clamor increasingly for prevention.
Prevent lung cancer by banning smoking.
Prevent obesity related disease by nagging us into better eating habits.
Prevent the possibility of undesirable effects from climate change by imposing economy-wrecking carbon restrictions.
Prevent car wrecks by stopping drunk driving.
Prevent sex crimes by registering the offenders.
Prevent communicable diseases through vaccination.
Prevent tragic illness by funding medical research.[/quote]

Our elected officials, in their infinite wisdom, are determined to supplant common sense with laws and technology. The 40,000+ firearm laws across the country are a good example. This approach is a miserable failure, but government, being what it is, continues its fruitless approach to problem solving.

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Bud, I don't understand how you can rely on yourself to defend yourself against any type of mass casualty terror attack. You can't. You can only die in it or react to it. That is what the govt. is trying to stop. Having everyone hole up with guns and ammo and rations might work in an invasion by ground troops, but that's not the nature of this enemy.
Hey, I distrust the govt. and the power brokers as much as the next guy, but a conspiracy so vast as you often suggest is beyond even MY paranoid fantasies...

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[quote="landry"]Micheal, The government does not seem to be very good at the first either. We have had an invasion of millions of illegal aliens, with no one knowing how many potential terrorists were coming in with them[/quote]Although I want the borders secured as much as you do, and yesterday, I'm not sure that is a Constitutional mandate. Someone will post the facts.[quote]and the president and the congress has done nothing to stop them.[/quote]I don't know that they've done nothing. Just like the electronic surveillance, other methods are likely being used, and the secretive nature is probably the best protection of the effectiveness of the tactic.

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[quote="landry"]Ron Paul, a [b]respected[/b] [/quote]

Respected? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... funny.

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Who Does the Government protect?

Remove taxes from payroll deduction and require citizens to pay by check (no electronic trasfers) and we would have a revolution overnight at every level of government.
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Three things that would make government much more effective:

1. Allow public workers to be fired due to lack of performance, in the manner that private workers can be.

2. Tie annual raises to the results of performance review.

3. Allow workers to evaluate their supervisors.

there would need to be safeguards to prevent wholesale political firings and more than the usual crony-ism.

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A friend of mine has this saying...."Its too late to hang em and too soon to shoot em."

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http://epautos.com/2011/12/14

http://epautos.com/2011/12/14/we-have-crossed-the-rubicon/

"The National Defense Authorization Act will make it official. It will confer upon the executive branch and the military" "the permanent authority to snatch and grab any person, U.S. citizens included, whom it decrees to be a “terrorist” – as defined or not by the executive or the military - " " These “detainees” will have neither civilian rights in the civil court system, nor – crucially – even the minimal rights to due process and decent treatment conferred upon prisoners of war."

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