Speaker of the House Cummings
among many others...
I think anyone who believes in licensing and registration of firearms should be allowed to license and register their firearms.
As an avid hunter, I'm still uncertain as to exactly how the mere registration of my rifle infringes on my right to own oneâ€¦
[quote="Frostman"]As an avid hunter, I'm still uncertain as to exactly how the mere registration of my rifle infringes on my right to own oneâ€¦[/quote]
Because registration always eventually leads to confiscation....always.
Look at California, they first registered specific classes of arms, promising on their sainted mothers souls that they had not intent or desire to confiscate, and then confiscated what they registered. The same thing happened in the UK and Australia.
If the government gets a list, then will use it to steal.
Frostman- it doesn't until they want to take all guns away, such as recently in New orleans. Then the registration tells them just who to go to. That is the bad part of registration. They know then who has them when they want them.
Also as the recent flap in Virginia shows with the publication of all CCW holders, the bad guys then know where to go to get guns or perhaps which houses to skip when commiting breakins.
I can see training owners. I have no idea why "registering" a firearm makes sense. Many firearms used in crimes:
1) Are stolen
2) Are stolen from Law Enforcement Agencies or the military (!)
3) Have serial numbers altered or ground off (though sometimes that can be dealt with forensically)
4) Are illegally imported, or manufactured.
The primary reason for registering cars is REVENUE. The power to tax is the power to destroy. Moreover, I do not think the state needs more taxes.
All of the comments regarding registering firearms frequently leading to confiscation is absolutely true. Still, even the Swiss have quite a few [url=http://www.ch.ch/private/00108/00114/00326/00418/index.html?lang=en]laws... regulating the purchasers and users of weapons.
Your government will find a way in a short amount of time I assure you, registration of vehicles is a revenue enhancer, I'll agree with That, inspection of your vehicle is a revenue enhancer, for the shops and the new car dealers.
Look towards the brits and all their useless former nations about how registration of your guns will affect you.
Your government will decide which firearms THEY find you need and how many and how they are stored and who shall store them and how much you will pay for same. How many rounds that you have at your convenience will be decided by your wonderful government will be decided by a bunch of bureaucrats and MORONS.
Who gave government the right to do and take anything. The government takes what they want and gives what they want with the force of arms.
The reason that our founders spelled out what god-given rights we had without government control is the entire premise of the American Constitution.
Our governemnt is controlled by a bunch of bureaucrats and sellout representatives who feather their own nests with the premise that they make life safer for the masses. They care not for the masses other then to make us slaves for their profit.
The illegal immigration issue as well as others show anyone withn a lick of sense of liberty and nation how the federasl government is bought and paid for by international concerns.
If your main concern is hunting Frostrman, hunt mice with a slingshot or a shovel.
I see nothing wrong with registration. I support it.
It's not the first time you've been wrong.
I have a dream. Someday our schools will teach the difference between a "privilege" and a "right".
So why do you support it registration?
Revenue enhancement? Public safety? Harassment of those evil people who own guns?
There is no useful purpose served in registering a firearm.
Not one crime would be prevented by registering firearms - not one life would be saved.
Better yet Tom, many lives will be lost as anyone who understands history knows.
these pro registration people are part of the problem.
they'll keep pressing for registration, waiting periods
and every other failed gun control measure that hasn't
worked anywhere else.
Our founders understood that power does and should rest in the hands of the people.
Yielding back that power, whether through registration or mandated training (are you listening to this Mr. Chapman?) is lethal.
Institutions discourage diversity of thought and personal responsibility on the part of its members, preferring uniform "policies" to streamline institutional processes.
Once institutional policies are in place, its members cease to think in a larger perspective.
Once perspective is lost, incremental problem solving leads to unintended consequences.
[quote="laMaine"]I see nothing wrong with registration. I support it.[/quote]
Good to know dead eye. I am, personally, for registering liberals, a group far more dangerous than gun owners :)
[quote]Good to know dead eye. I am, personally, for registering liberals, a group far more dangerous than gun owners
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Been to Switzerland? I have. Go there, and then we'll talk, AFTER you have seen the way they do it there. They have both mandatory training and UNIVERSAL automatic weapons ownership, in a way we can barely comprehend here.
Until then, in my view, you are speaking from prejudice, not data.
PS: Hitler was afraid of them. They'd laugh at Strimling. They'd probably laugh at you, too. What you don't seem to comprehend is that there can exist a proactive, pro armed citizen positive interaction between the people and government. I have seen it. You haven't. That explains a lot.
The founders of America believed that government could become the enemy of the people. Thats the reason for Ammendment II. So we could resist that kind of government if/when we had to.
I am not interested in cooperating in making that job any easier for them.
I will never comply with any registration program.
What part of "shall not be infringed" is unclear? It is an "infringement" on my right to keep and bear arms to require government registration, because it denies me that right without government oversight and approval.
Who suports the licensing and registration of firearms? The government and other idiots.
For what it is worth--I'm aginst both.
Canada tried it and the gun owners ignored the requirment. the $2 million project actually cost over $2 Billion with about zero effect.
Last I heard the new Canadian government was dismantling the mess.
A $2 billion boondoggle with no positive effects? What liberal mind wouldn't fall in love with a failure of those proportions?
from My Cold Dead Hands.
Someone can check on this - but wasn't this list of gun owners stolen from the Canadian government?
And weren't firearms thefts traced to that?
True cost of gun registry will be upsetting, warns public security minister Dan Dugas, Canadian Press
Published: Friday, February 17, 2006 Article tools
* * * * OTTAWA -- Canadians will be shocked by the true cost of the federal government's ill-fated gun registry, says new Public Security Minister Stockwell Day.
Day told The Canadian Press that figures bureaucrats have shown him during briefings for his new portfolio are much higher than previously thought. He would not divulge what the tab is, but said it's upsetting.
When we first read the headline in last Thursday's Sun - "Feds taking aim at gun violence" - we thought that there must have been some mistake.
Gun violence? What gun violence? We have a very expensive national gun registry that was put into place to ensure that every firearm in Canada can be tracked. We have cumbersome regulations in place that make it more difficult for Canadians to buy guns. We have armies of bureaucrats shuffling paper to and fro to make sure that everything related to guns in this country is all very above-board and law-abiding.
So there can't possibly be any gun violence in Canada!
OK, we made our point. There is still lots of gun violence in Canada, and the gun registry hasn't done a single thing to stop it.
If you buy a firearm from a dealer and go through the NICS check than that firearm is already registered to you!
The way around it is to buy from a private seller, no NICS check.
Or build your own firearms as I sometimes do. No serial numbers are required on a firearm you build yourself for your own use.
Parts kits for many guns are available sans receiver. Get an 80% finished reciever w/no numbers on it. Finish receiver, assemble gun, Presto.
I have deliberately restricted the firearms I am going to buy from licensed dealers in the future due to the fact that I participate in creating a "registration list" with my name on it.
This is phantom registration.
If you want a new gun, I would say to buy the gun you want. Keep it a month or two, then advertise it in Uncle Henrys. When some one calls about the gun, tell them it is sold. Presto! You now have your new gun but no one knows where it is, you do not know who you sold it to, and unless you are caught for any reason with the gun in your possession, it will stay lost.