Will the Maine state employees union members vote to accept the 6% raise offer?

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Moving Forward
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Will the Maine state employees union members vote to accept the 6% raise offer?

This will be a very interesting vote tomorrow, August 30th, for all parties involved.

State employees union to vote on dropping mandatory dues in exchange for 6% raise

August 14, 2017

“Negotiators for the largest state employees union have agreed to a new two-year contract that would increase wages by 6 percent while also giving Republican Gov. Paul LePage a long-sought victory in his effort to eliminate mandatory union fees for workers in jobs represented by unions.

Under the contract, which will go out to members of the Maine State Employees Association, Local 1989, for a ratification vote on Aug. 30, state workers who choose not to join the union would not have to pay the fees that are collected to cover the union’s cost of collective bargaining and other services, including lobbying the Legislature.”

Full article at: http://www.pressherald.com/2017/08/14/state-workers-union-leaders-accept...

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Of course they will as there

Of course they will as there are so few FS payers . The most interesting aspect is the other unions.
AFSCME has not taken the bait.
In two years time this is the thing to watch for.
1. the law that changed it (Strimling saving Baldaccis' butt) is still on books.
2, the dues will go up.
3. Work sites where there are members of other unions could become interesting.

4. This does nothing to change aspects of state employment that would have positively impacted workers and tax payers.
Things like changes to retirement plans , human resource management system etc. and maintain the unions role as the designated bad guy the
for the GOv. .this one or any of them.

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Of course they will as there

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The fee payers are not be

The fee payers are not be allowed to vote, and some of the greedy union activists have been running a major campaign to refuse this 6% raise offer in order to try and get more. We'll see what happens.

BTW, I wonder if this vote will be by secret ballot?
Will the LePage Administration be monitoring the process to ensure no funny business happens with this vote?

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They did !

They did !

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It is not a question of

It is not a question of whether they will accept it, it is why they are being given it in the first place. They are going to be doing the same work they did last year and the year before and if they were doing it more efficiently there wouldn't be as many as they are but less and that has never been the case. If the reason is cost of living, the government tells us there hasn't been any.

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Once again pmconusa ,you are

Once again pmconusa ,you are wrong.
The question was asked (posted ) above about the possible outcome of the vote. It is the only question that matters on the topic.
The basis for the question is the author has a long standing interest in the union representing state employees
and its' practices. I have the same interest in the subject. This topic has been one of the longest on AMG with more views than any other thread and goes back to AMG 1 days under various thread titles.
This is a significant event in the history of state employee unions in Maine, that will have long term repercussions for workers and taxpayers .
The fact that the unions put it on table for vote , even though they did not want it,it severely wounded their power with the votes for the deal (3% for each of two
years ) contract.
Of course you had to make sure you threw in the slams about employees. I wonder if your compensation at MIT include similar elements that you choose to criticize state workers with ? To the many that have been harmed by MSEA practices there is some solace, that they just got what they deserve and even better
it was done by themselves attempting to continue with their old ways.

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Bruce: You took the liberty

Bruce: You took the liberty in your answer to introduce other issues when the question begged for a simple yes or no. If you can do so, why can't I? If Roosevelt hadn't unconstitutionally allowed unions collective bargaining rights every employee would have to negotiate his own wage or salary with his employer and the only ones who would get raises were those who did more than they were asked to do or could command a higher wage or salary elsewhere. That is the free market way but there is no such market anymore, it is controlled by the government. According to the Constitution, its what the framers intended and the politicians who followed ignored.

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Per usual you can do what

Per usual you can do what ever you want,the other question is should you ?
Given your views are well known and essentially the same on most topics or end up at the same point
I vote for shouldn't. You took the liberty to interject your opinion into a thread that has little to do with you
except an opportunity to repeat a point numerous times.

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I thank you for the

I thank you for the opportunity. If you had said nothing but yes or no I would have been rightly denied the opportunity, not to comment on the question but why it was asked in the first place. Would you like to debate 2 + 2 = 4?

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No pmconusa , there is no

No pmconusa , there is no debate with you.
2+2 = 4,I am sure in end it would be the fault of progressives ,unconstitutional, and of course in your two books.

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I have a vendor that has

I have a vendor that has about 100 employees. These poor people have not had a raise in over 7 years. I have not been able to extend raises to my staff in nearly 4 years. If you want to make more money, go find a job in the private sector.

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Well Iif I was to respond to

Well Iif I was to respond to your remark,loaded with all sort of various issues,I would say maybe your vendor friend should learn to make more money so he can
give raises. Or I could say does your vendor friend own a boat,snow machine etc.etc.. But I won't !
This thread is about the union and peoples grievance against the political machine it has become. Actiually if one researched and found out just how many raises these employees have not gotten you would be on a track for discussion. This is actually a nail in coffin of union. I would think that would appeal.
Basically your "go find a job comment"is about as ignorant as there is to be made. The same can be said of private sector workers there are jobs available that go unfilled. I assume your recent move will help you be able top give raises.

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