Winthrop Chief Draws His Gun During Botched Sting in Another Town

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Tom C
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We spend more and more on

We spend more and more on police every year. Police Departments have been built up with federal grants, and to cut back on our bloated police force is assumed to be a "threat to public safety".

Nonsense.

I don't understand why a town of 4,000 needs a 40 man police force. Here is a good place to look if we're looking for real tax savings.

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Today the citizenry is looked

Today the citizenry is looked at as the enemy, as if all were law breakers and it is just a matter of time until they are caught.

Gaffer, you're right. And this attitude is so different from that of the wardens years ago.

The North Woods Law television show displays the current mind-set of wardens. One young warden said on an episode I saw a while back that "anyone out in the woods at night is doing something wrong". Wow, so much for tourists looking at moose or any other similar activity. Other comments from wardens on this show have been less than complimentary of Maine citizens. I've only seen one episode that had wardens showing the professional demeanor we saw years ago, rather than constantly expecting wrongdoing.

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I was watching North Woods

I was watching North Woods Law last season with some friends. During an episode a moose was found dead, shot out of season. One of the Wardens tells the camera crew, and arrives at a ridiculous conclusion of events, he says the shooter must have been "drinking and smoking". The evidence left behind, just a spent casing and a vehicle registration. I busted a gut laughing!

They found the two guys that did the illegal shooting after some field investigation, but that original comment from the Warden just emphasized the mind set that whoever would do something like shooting a moose out of season, must be drunk or high. With no evidence to back the assumption.

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Stephen, these are the kind

Stephen, these are the kind of comments I've seen repeatedly on this show. All young wardens too. Negative put-downs of the people in the Maine woods. It gets tiresome and is an embarassing component to this show.

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Fortunately, not all agencies

Fortunately, not all agencies have that attitude. Many used to and have changed. Lots depends on the CEO.

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I may be wrong, but aren't

I may be wrong, but aren't these guys required to take sensitivity training to help undo some of the attitude they are given at the CJA?
That would be the way most things are done in the state bureaucracy.

Stephen Carmichael
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I give credit where credit is

I give credit where credit is due and Warden Rick LaFlamme is a stand out Warden for the Warden's Service. LeFlamme never forgot his roots as a meat cutter and thanks to his business background he still knows how to talk to people.

MCJA Basic School Curriculum

As far as sensitivity training, I heard that a few years back some Sheriffs where complainant about the mind set of the graduating Deputies from the Basic School. I believe the response was a course called Interpersonal Communications and Relations 4.3.0 listed as 7hrs. Overall MCJA offers 23hrs of Communications training.

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I don't understand why a town

I don't understand why a town of 4,000 needs a 40 man police force. Here is a good place to look if we're looking for real tax savings. ~Tom C

Must be all that pre-9AM drinking, drugs, and prostitution you keep mentioning.

Tom C
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Must be all that pre-9AM

Must be all that pre-9AM drinking, drugs, and prostitution you keep mentioning.

Well, yes, that's what it's about.

I'm amazed all all the cases that go through the grand juries, the amount of crime going on around us amazes me. Drugs and alcohol probably account for 80%. Add mental illness, and I'd guess you're at about 98%.

Just think how much we are spending on those things.

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KJ Story WINTHROP — Few local

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WINTHROP — Few local law enforcement agencies in Maine have statewide arrest powers of the sort that Winthrop grants its officers.

Town officials said recently they would review the local policy following stories by the Kennebec Journal about a sting operation in Gardiner organized by Chief Joseph Young, of the Winthrop police. The sting was set up by Young as a favor to recover stolen golf clubs belonging to the son of Winthrop's town attorney, and it ended in a supermarket parking lot with Young drawing his gun on an innocent man who had bought the clubs online.

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I would think that any cop,

I would think that any cop, outside of his own jurisdiction, especially dressed in plain clothes, drawing a gun, and waving it around, stands more than a bit of a chance of being killed himself, as out of uniform, no locals would recognize him as a cop.

The chief, having a personal connection to this incident, because it was friend who was robbed, made how he handled it look a lot more like a "vendetta" than just a routine sting operation.

Bad situation in my opinion!

WC

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Chief Young had the chance to

Chief Young had the chance to overtake the Monmouth Police Department a few years ago, this would have expanded his jurisdiction in the imitate area. His bid was too high and the town voted it down. I’m waiting for the day when a Sheriff low balls any bids for coverage, secures a entire county, and then builds up from the ground up.

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Cheif Young Throws Gardiner

Cheif Young Throws Gardiner PD "Under The Bus"

GARDINER -- City officials are taking issue with Winthrop Police Chief Joe Young's comments laying ownership of a controversial sting operation at the feet of the Gardiner Police Department, with the town manager saying the remarks "threw us under the bus."

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It's much fun to watch LEOs

It's much fun to watch LEOs eat there own.

They have guns.

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Cue the "no confidence" vote

Cue the "no confidence" vote from his officers and the town department heads....

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