Worldly Problems: God’s Fault or Ours?

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DaveM
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Worldly Problems: God’s Fault or Ours?

"In our day of rampant evil and moral decay, mankind has only itself to blame. We cannot pin our self-imposed problems on God. It is, in fact, God’s wrathful response to our sin that explains why things are as they are. But we dare not despair. For the one who ‘gives this world over to their sin’ is the same one who ‘loved the world so much that he gave his one and only son.’"

An essay by Tullian Tchividjian, since April 2009, senior pastor of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church, Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
http://thirdmill.org/magazine/article.asp/link/http:%5E%5Ethirdmill.org%...'s%20Fault%20or%20Ours?

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It is a bit foggy but I think

It is a bit foggy but I think I have heard this man's name before. Is he standing in for the late Dr. D. James Kennedy?
I liked his sermons.

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KR, Tullian Tchividjian is a

KR,
Tullian Tchividjian is a grandson of Billy Graham.

For what my opinion is worth, Tchividjian's being voted in as senior pastor after the death of D. James Kennedy is another sign of the times.
For the record, and again, for what it is worth, I've been on Coral Ridge Ministry's mailing list for decades (affiliated with, but not 'the' Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church itself). I've done my research into Tchividjian's beliefs and have come away with the opinion that although he considers himself reformed, he - again, in my opinion, seems just another seeker-sensitive pastor. Sure, he is well-educated and can write some really good articles, such as the one posted.

However, in the televised interviews I saw of him prior to his being voted in as senior pastor (he was elected with 90% of the vote, if I recall), he made it clear he was taking over and changing things at Coral Ridge. He would not be as 'political' as the late D. James Kennedy, so he wouldn't be preaching against abortion, homosexual marriage, etc.

He planned - and did so right out of the starting gate - to change the church's music ministry. Out with the old pipe organ music, in with the new, contemporary "worship music". Don't get me started on congregation-pleasing "worship music", for that is all it is (again, in my opinion). I'm not just talking about the use of instruments other than organs, or pianos, I'm talking about the WORDS to the music. That's for another discussion....

Sadly, the long-time choir director and the long-time organist both resigned their positions. Tchividjian banned Jennifer Cassidy Kennedy (daughter of D. James and Mrs. Kennedy) from the church grounds, claiming he would not tolerate dissenters in his ranks. Both she (Jennifer) and Mrs. Kennedy did not want Tchividjian to be the senior pastor because of what he was going to change. So, they were shown the door.

Just another major church split (just like that of the late Adrian Rogers) over some pastor coming in and changing how people were going to "worship".

Change in and of itself is not destructive. But, I have no respect for individuals who decide to 'clean house' because they feel they are 'annointed'. Annointed for what? So, we go from having the late D. James Kennedy calling sin what it its, SIN. We go from having Kennedy preaching that Christians should be the salt & light to the world, to Tullian Tchividjian deciding Christians should be less offensive, try to blend in with the world, be the salt-substitute & mood-light to the world.

Maybe in time, he will mature. Maybe not. The church has split. Those who remain will get what they want, or at least what they thought they wanted.

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Thanks for sharing that

Thanks for sharing that LMD.
I certainly didn't know that, but that peculiar name has crossed the radar screen before. It must not have been in a good light so I forgot him. After reading all of that it saddens me to hear the details.

I did enjoy Adrian Rogers as well. We have the miracle of recordings of these men gone home to continue to nurture and provoke us, but I am still guilty of taking people for granted until finding out one day that they have passed, and I am still shocked and dismayed afresh every time. Large shoes don't get filled easily.

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Hi Kenny, I just thought of

Hi Kenny,
I just thought of something...I'll bet you're recalling the early church father by the name of 'Tertullian'.
According to Tullian T., whose first and second names are "William Graham", his third name of 'Tullian' was given to him by his mother, who shortened it by dropping the "Ter" from the church father's name. That and a buck-three-eighty will getcha a cup of coffee nowadays :)

Here's an article written back in 2001 by T. T.:
[url=http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tullian/2007/09/23/i-like-rick-warre... I Like About Rick Warren[/url]
There's a quote from the article which was pointed out on a blog I infrequently read -
" But I [Tullian] have a long way to go to catch Rick when it comes to actually transforming this present world into the world to come. "

The question was raised in discussion, from a scriptural standpoint, should Christians actually be about the business of "transforming this present world into the world to come"? This subtly smacks of the dominionist approach Warren takes with regards to this world. I'm afraid T.T. straddles the fence on this one. Again, just my take on things.

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I actually rather enjoy

I actually rather enjoy Tullian Tchividjian. And to say that he split the church is a little far from the truth. He was pastoring another church in the area called "New City" and after Dr. Kennedy passed the eldership from Coral Ridge came to him for over a year and asked him to pastor Coral Ridge. He said "no" a number of times until it seemed right to both him and the leadership in both churches that they should merge.

He is a solid preacher, solid in theology and he is relevant to a generation that in twitter, youtube, Facebook rooted.

I also like his preaching. I like that he is not out there promoting the Republican Party or a particular political agenda.

I liked Dr. Kennedy very much, in fact my favorite book on evangelism was written by him.

Tullian Tchividjian is asset to Coral Ridge that is for sure.

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guyinbelfast, We will have to

guyinbelfast,
We will have to agree to disagree, as I won't argue with you over this. I stated right up front this was my opinion. Having done my research, I stand by my assessment, as I'm sure you do with yours as well.
You stated that my comment with regards to this being another church split is "a little far from the truth". That would be your perception of the truth of what happened. I am well aware of T.T.'s former church, the merger, etc. etc. and that he said "no" a couple of times. That has nothing to do with what he did when he got to Coral Ridge.

Insofar as him being "relevant to a generation that in twitter, youtube, Facebook rooted". This is another area up for discussion, and I welcome that. Being "relevant to a generation" is not, in my opinion, what a pastor should be. But, it is exactly what the Rick Warren's of the world are selling...and "selling" is the key world...

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This is the web site of the

This is the web site of the church that was established by those who left Coral Ridge after the split.
http://www.newpres.org/

DaveM
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This is the web site for

This is the web site for Truth in Action that continues the ministry of Dr. Kennedy via the internet.
http://www.truthinaction.org/

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this is the website of Philip

this is the website of Philip De Courcy. I listen to him every day on the way home from work. He's teaching on the book of Nehemiah right now and had a few comments about the "emerging church" and pastors who sit in their chairs and don't preach the Bible so that they don't offend.
http://ktt.org/

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